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Race Baiting 101

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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 01:29 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Bone75

Stereotype much?


Do you really think I'm talking about all black people, or all poor black people?


Have you ever been to the ghetto? I have and most people are just trying to get by like everyone else.


Yes, I lived in one of the worst housing projects in New Orleans for the better part of my childhood.
Wanna trade horror stories?

Have you ever felt 2 shotgun barrels pressed to the back of your head, while the guy with the pistol in your face is referring to you as the hero? Wanna know what goes through your mind just before you die? I could tell you if you like.


Maybe if they had hope of a quality education, finding a real job, and being treated like equals by the cops, they would find the desire for a better life.


Did you just contradict yourself?


You can blame the poor or you can blame the system that keeps them poor, which is the point of the video.


I was poor with no sense of hope either, but I never pissed on someone and whipped them with a belt at gunpoint while my homies raped their friends in the bathroom because I couldn't get a freaking job.



What you think your something special because you didnt commit crimes when you were poor, boohoo there are millions of poor people of every race that dont commit crimes and rapes. Your insinuation that poor African Americans do this is truly wrong. Didz youz gets ahn edamacation? If you did you would understand basic human biology, social structures, and basic human psychology. All races commit crimes, your just stuck on blaming African Americans for whatever reason. This is ignorance to think one race is any different than any other, we are all the same down to the atom.

If you were abused by some whites would you feel self hate for your own race. . . . NO.

I have white skin but that doenst mean I see a difference when I see others with dark skin, when I look in the mirror I see every race of people, because I am a citizen of the planet earth and I know we share this planet with each other.

Just think and compare blood cells to our modern human experience, if there were some sick blood cells that wanted to seperate themselves from the others, didnt want to work together for a common good and felt they were somehow different than thier other blood cells. How stupid would that be?

God lives in every atom of creation, even the atoms that make up African Americans go figure!

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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: Spider879

It's a powerful video. I saw it the other day. I'm glad you posted it here.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: Spider879

Excellent video! Thanks! I can't speak to those who don't get it.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 11:22 AM
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Great video. I recommend reading Howard Zinn's A People's History of The United States. It certainly opened my eyes to the real history behind the scenes of the working classes who have been exploited at every turn. It does seem hypocritical to me to say we are all one and then invoke Black Lives Matter at the same time. Of course they do, it's a given to me that all lives matter, not just human either. My Native American roots taught me that.

We cannot view human society as in a bubble for our lives are entwined with those of all creatures great and small, some so tiny they live symbiotically inside our very bodies. Buddhist teachings further reinforced that view for me. The culture of one's birth is only as relevant as we care to make it. The world is full of great teachers that we should take the time to listen to. When mankind doesn't have the answers I look to nature, the greatest teacher of all.

I know race baiting is the thread subject so I will end by saying that the larger the view we take the less those differences between us make. When we become caught up thinking in terms of "me" and "mine" that's when we become easy targets for the race baiting, especially if it reinforces the strain of our selfish thoughts.

We can't save anyone or open their minds for them. That is a task each of us must confront on our on own. Those who refuse to do so are nothing but tools for the elites to keep them in their positions of comfort. What scares me is the number of people who never look outside that bubble of me, my and mine. The wealth of the elites is in direct proportion to the number who only think inside that tiny space.
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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75
That was powerful and almost perfect. So his solution is to unite with the Black Lives Matter movement and together we can bring the masters to their knees... but then what? What are we going to do with that power once we have it?


What we've always done - fight for control then create new classes!
It happens the same way every single time.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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The whole "it divides us" is really just a "poor us" victim card in disguise.

It's a really poor argument to try and deflect away from racial issues that actually exist.

"Obama is a race baiter and a divider!"

No, he's bringing up racial issues that ought to be addressed. Instead, you seem to want to ignore them and put your head in the sand.

We're always going to have to face tough issues like racism and sexism. If we just ignore them they don't go away. We've been ignoring them in this country since the civil rights moment in the 1960's. Conservative white America had had enough, was tired of it, and decided it was time to move on. Meanwhile in the 70's, 80's, and 90's racial issues continued to percolate under the surface of our society.

This "divide us" crap is just a way to continue to sweep issues under the rug, and demonize the other side of the argument. It makes the party using the term look noble and virtuous -- but they're anything but.

We can't sweep our issues under a rug just because they're uncomfortable. We can't ignore the fact that we still don't seem to like people with other skin color for some weird reason. We can't ignore that we want to feel more important and superior to other people because of our own insecurities.

These problems won't go away if we pretend they don't exist and have an open discussions about them.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Spider879

As far as the Black Lives Matter movement goes... why should they matter to me if they don't matter to eachother?

Why should I feel sorry for a kid who has no choice but to sell drugs for money, when he doesn't feel sorry for the kid down the street doing the exact same thing for the exact same reasons? Instead he will shoot that kid in the f@!#ing face... and his momma... and his little sisters if they get in the way!

Until that crap stops, I don't want anything to do with that movement.

Black Lives Matter my a$$.


yes, because all blacks are involved in gang/drug violence and absolutely none of them are opposed to it. hooray for generalizations!

^this is called prejudice.
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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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That was a powerful video, thank you for sharing it. I state that it is powerful despite already being aware of the information presented within it. I just hope Americans wake up and see the bigger picture and stop their petty bickering and ignorant "engineered" political talking points usually driven by hate and animosity.

The irony is many around the world who all this doesn't concern and affect, know this stuff already. Many Americans (not all) cannot see the forest for the trees due to the vines of enculturation that have silently and slowly overtaken the natural landscape of their inner and outer environment.

Again, thanks for posting. ALL of America (especially the bigots and racist) should become aware of their true history and put an end to the engineering of consent that unconsciously is eating away at the fibre of their being and the fabric of their society.

Yours truly, a former foster child, raised and loved by people who did not look like me.

Involutionist.

ETA:

www.historyisaweapon.com...

en.wikipedia.org...


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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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There is an old, old saying that things which are incredibly simple, are only 'skin deep'.

Here in the 21st century, however, skin color has taken on the weight of being what all things in life are built upon... which is incredibly sad, if not down right hypocritical.

We are a species... the human race and some of us are Asian, some are African, some are European, some are those that lie in the borderlands... like, Middle-Eastern or Indo-Asian and so many others. But the bottom line remains; we are ALL human beings.

Gender, hair color, religion/faith, political slant, eye color, height, weight, gender preference, sexual preference, what one likes on the dinner plate, what one likes in music, what one likes in movies and art, the car one drives... it is all so shallow. So very, very shallow.

We are ALL human beings and our diversity, from Mother Nature or God or any Deity, is a blessing. We are NOT computers or machines or creatures that should be able to be programmed to be identical.

Embrace who you are... respect those about you and never regret a single breath of this life.

Never.

...



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: Bone75



That was powerful and almost perfect. So his solution is to unite with the Black Lives Matter movement and together we can bring the masters to their knees... but then what? What are we going to do with that power once we have it?


Perhaps begin to finally live civilized like all other first world nations?

Come join your cousins; stop being the black sheep of the world among first world nations as far as how society interacts with each other on a day to day basis driven by twisted ideologies that have been socially engineered.

The problems in America are very unique and numerous which usually begins with enculturated minds.

To be fair, all nations have their issues, but we sure as hell are happy we don't have America's issues.

These video represent the minority of Americans, but "only in America" comes to mind as I view it. How the F# does a modern nation produce characters such as this...?!

Btw, you have to love the irony of it all, bigots and racist have never been the quickest rabbits in the forest...



How does a first world nation produce people who act like this AND neighbourhoods that look like this?! I have been to third world countries in South America that look like this (yet, the people act far more civilized):



"African American Statehood" is the title of your latest thread and here is your OP:



I'm curious as to whether or not this is even something African Americans would be interested in.

You're own little piece of America. You're own country to run however you see fit.

Not some BS Israel deal where something like 15% of the population got 50% of the land, but a fair 13%.

What would you say to such an offer?



I'm sure glad we don't have much personalities like you were I live.

*Link to your thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Good thread nice video star and flag!

Racism needs to stop, and capitalism needs to go too.
We should do things for each other not foor selfish gain.
We are all one and its about time people woke up to that eternal truth.


please show a country where this has worked.....it's the balance between capitalism and socialism that made our country great....if you have good parents, if you go to a good school, if you live in a decent neighborhood, if your family makes enough money, if you stay away from addictions, if you get a decent paying job......all of these "ifs" are more important than the "isms"



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: Spider879

A few here have tried to bring this same message to ATS, with very little success. When they try to explain and reason that much of what people accept for truth, isn't, and while this insanity has been going on for a long time, it really hasn't been that long since Black people were given any semblance of equality in America. It is amazing how difficult it is for people to let go of their bigotries, even if they realize the information they are using to support their mind set, is false and not rationale.

I grew up in a racist and bigoted area. Yes, there were the "Colored Only" signs. Some places Black people were not allowed to eat, shop or sit. It never made sense to me that a Black person was not allowed to eat in a restaurant were most of the food was cooked by Black people. They could clean your home, suckle your children, and cook your food, but you couldn't sit beside them.

I was blessed to live a good 25 miles from town and at least a mile from our nearest neighbor. We were all equally poor as church mice, but they were good, honest, hard working, kindly people. They looked out for each other, because that was the only way any of them were going to make it. The people worked hard together, they mourned, laughed, shared, and celebrated together, out of necessity.

I know some of them were bigots, but we were children, so it was easy to overlook as just another thing that grown-ups did that didn't make any sense. So, I grew up with children that were Native American, Black, White and Filipino. We were best friends and we didn't see color the way some of the older folk did.

The only reason this madness continues is because it is being sold to us, and people for some reason, like buying what they are selling. This short video answers most the questions that bigots and racist claim they have, but I am afraid, it will fall on deaf ears and blind eyes, because racist and bigots “need” that feeling of superiority and that scapegoat, to justify who and what they are.


edit on 7-8-2015 by NightSkyeB4Dawn because: Grammar correction.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

So you're finally admitting why you made that thread asking us to leave America? Then you tried to act innocent when people called you out on its obvious implications.


I came across a site that I found interesting and I wanted to see if it was a real thing or not. I never asked anyone to leave the country. You took it the way you wanted to take it just like you did with this reply.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 06:12 PM
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originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

What you think your something special because you didnt commit crimes when you were poor

Well yes, yes I do. I'm quite proud of myself thank you very much. I can't say I was a saint though, I tried to sell drugs but wasn't very good at it... probably because I wasn't willing to hurt someone for ripping me off.


boohoo there are millions of poor people of every race that dont commit crimes and rapes.

And they should be proud of themselves as well.


Your insinuation that poor African Americans do this is truly wrong.

So do rich African Americans, rich and poor white Americans, Mexicans, people from all walks of life in fact (though I have to admit I can't recall ever seeing a Middle Eastern guy on the local news wanted in connection with a triple homicide or anything). Do I really NEED to state the obvious here? Of course I do duh...

Every single night there are at least 2 to 4 black guys on the news wanted for either murder, armed robbery, or sexual assault... every single night. Every night. Do you deny this?


Didz youz gets ahn edamacation?

There you go with that crap again. lol

If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, I'll be glad to let you know that I dropped out of highschool after my principal asked me to quit because I was 17 and still in the ninth grade. lol 2 weeks later I got my G.E.D. and went to work. Today I'm an independent contractor working for one of the biggest internet companies on the planet.


All races commit crimes, your just stuck on blaming African Americans for whatever reason. This is ignorance to think one race is any different than any other, we are all the same down to the atom.


I'm not stuck on blaming African Americans for crime, this is a thread promoting the Black Lives Matter movement... a movement that started over a bunch of thugs and criminals resisting arrest and attacking people. I'm entitled to an opinion on the matter just like you.


If you were abused by some whites would you feel self hate for your own race. . . . NO.

Would I hate the white half? Of course not. I don't hate black people either btw. My beef is with thugs... ALL thugs.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: mahatche

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Spider879

As far as the Black Lives Matter movement goes... why should they matter to me if they don't matter to eachother?

Why should I feel sorry for a kid who has no choice but to sell drugs for money, when he doesn't feel sorry for the kid down the street doing the exact same thing for the exact same reasons? Instead he will shoot that kid in the f@!#ing face... and his momma... and his little sisters if they get in the way!

Until that crap stops, I don't want anything to do with that movement.

Black Lives Matter my a$$.


yes, because all blacks are involved in gang/drug violence and absolutely none of them are opposed to it. hooray for generalizations!

^this is called prejudice.


The worse part is he doesn't even recognize the contradictions in his argument. This is what he said:


As far as the Black Lives Matter movement goes... why should they matter to me if they don't matter to eachother?

If we didn't care about each other, we wouldn't be protesting, marching, or boycotting when a community member dies in the first place!

Instead, he is placing an impossible standard on African Americans. He won't care about African American lives until no black person commits a crime against any other black person. What kind of crazy condition is that?! Does he hold his own people to that standard as well? Does he hold any other people to that standard? He is essentially saying he'll never think that "black lives matter" because there will always be some new incidence that can be pointed out.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 06:19 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Pretty simple, be around good people, stay away from the others. If the others happen to be black, white, mexican, Asian...so be it. It the good happen to be any so be it. It's more scumbag ism than racism. Just saying



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals

What we've always done - fight for control then create new classes!
It happens the same way every single time.


Interesting that no one has touched on the fact that the Yankees pretty much turned their backs on black people after the civil war. The fact that they just stood by without starting a second war while Jim Crow was in effect tells me that the war may have been over slavery for the South, but it certainly wasn't for the North.

When the lights go out and the bullets start flying, I betcha 99% of these bleeding hearts will trade their Black Lives Matter and Hands Up t-shirts for a bottle of water and a box of MRE's.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: mahatche

yes, because all blacks are involved in gang/drug violence and absolutely none of them are opposed to it. hooray for generalizations!

That's just plain stupid


^this is called prejudice.

Yes, I am prejudice against a movement that promotes resisting arrest, fleeing from the cops, and attacking people.

Of course black lives matter... duh! But that's not what this movement is about and you know it. That's just a title.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

If we didn't care about each other, we wouldn't be protesting, marching, or boycotting when a community member dies in the first place!


If you want to impress me, take your Black Lives Matter signs and march down a street in North St. Louis, or Englewood in Chicago, or the Ninth Ward of New Orleans... where you should be marching instead of outside a damn police station.

Go scream and throw bottles at them boys dressed in red and toss molotov cocktails into crackhouses and I bet this country will shock the hell out of you.


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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

If we didn't care about each other, we wouldn't be protesting, marching, or boycotting when a community member dies in the first place!


If you want to impress me, take your Black Lives Matter signs and march down a street in North St. Louis, or Englewood in Chicago, or the Ninth Ward of New Orleans... where you should be marching instead of outside a damn police station.


Why would I want to impress you? You said you thought all progressives & liberals should be sent to Guantanamo Bay "like all the other terrorists". I'm a progressive and a Muslim. If I actually impressed you on something, I'd have to reevaluate my position. There's a saying that goes something like this: "I don't need friends like that".

And if you knew anything about African American communities, which you clearly don't, you'd know there are already major initiatives in our communities towards ending violence, flushing drugs out of the community, etc. But since you don't know anything about us except what your fellow right wingers tell you, I'm not surprised by your ignorance on this. Mainstream media doesn't seem to care much for our initiatives that target our own communities, because those don't help them perpetuate the stereotypes they love to promote.




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