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Denver man charged with seven felonies for handing out ‘jury nullification’ fliers outside court

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posted on Aug, 6 2015 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Good stuff to know and look into. Nullification is not a fire starter for me, but my current avenue of study (federal civil procedure) had some correlation, so, it was put out there. Any particular circuit cases worth reading?
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posted on Aug, 6 2015 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: J.B. Aloha

Using Wikipedia as a quick start -

Jury Nullification US
and
Jury Nullification Specifics US

Napolenoic Code wiki

They list the relevant court cases, which I plug into Cornell Law or SCOTUS website.

As for Federal Civil Law correlation the 7th amendment does not apply to the States. It was never included in the SCOTUS ruling applying the federal constitution to the states.


* - Sparf v. U.S - SCOTUS
* - U.S. v. Moylan - 4th Circuit
* - United States v. Dougherty - DC Circuit
* - U.S. v. Thomas - 2nd Circuit

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posted on Aug, 6 2015 @ 10:45 PM
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originally posted by: soulshn


A Denver man has been charged with multiple felonies after he was caught distributing fliers to educate potential jurors about the practice of “jury nullification.”

The Denver Post reported that 56-year-old Mark Iannicelli set up a small booth with a sign reading “Juror Info” outside the Lindsay-Flanigan Courthouse in Denver last week. The Denver District Attorney’s Office charged Iannicelli with seven counts of jury tampering after members of the jury pool were found to be in possession of fliers describing jury nullification...

...the complaint “does not accuse Mr. Iannicelli of advocating for or against any case in progress” and “it does not accuse Mr. Iannicelli even of targeting individuals for sharing information with them.”

Denver man charged with seven felonies for handing out ‘jury nullification’ fliers outside courthouse

I'm amazed at the lengths our corrupt 'justice' system will go to to keep people in the dark as to we the people's true power. Seven felonies for informing people of a part of our justice system that has existed for hundreds of years. A right that certainly isn't taught in schools.

Cheers my friends!


How awesome will it be if he wins his case via... jury nullification?!?!
He'll walk out of there with a real sense of vindication.



posted on Aug, 6 2015 @ 11:58 PM
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a reply to: JohnFisher

Doubtful since jury nullification is not valid in Colorado.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 01:19 AM
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originally posted by: jaffo
As an attorney, I can tell you that Jury Nullification is a fairly nebulous area and one that we do not generally throw around all willy-nilly. Mostly because while it sounds great, the potential for abuse is huge. You think it's great when it lets someone you do not think should have been charged get off scot free. But what happens when a racists jury refuses to issue a conviction for murder because they just don't care and they use jury nullification to get the result they want. Not everything in our justice system is corrupt. In fact, I will say that the attorneys and judges who work the court system every day do way more good than most of America will ever know. Simply because "doing the right thing" never makes the papers.


I particularly like the part about "While it sounds great, the potential for abuse is huge", sounds a whole lot like the justice system as a whole wouldn't you say? lol..

Every citizen should be aware and use this to the full extent they can.

I'm sure attorneys and other "people" working for the justice system dont like this, it undermines your power. You cant have that.

There are probably good judges and attorneys, probably. Still, good actors in a # tv show that needs to be cancelled. I'm sick of reruns.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 03:59 AM
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originally posted by: The only 1 who knows the
a reply to: The only 1 who knows the

Also this is so important to. Any attempt to change the Constitution is a act of tranny against " WE The People " and it is our God given right to bare arms against corrupt politicians and government. so the DICK ACT of 1902 . . . CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) THE TRUMP CARD ENACTED BY CONGRESS FURTHER ASSERTING THE SECOND AMENDMENT AS UNOUTCHABLE and why ?
Our Bill of rights as is the Magna Charta not (Magna Carta) is our rights set in stone by our founding Fathers to protect human rights against corrupt politicians and government tyranny. Any attempt to change it is our way of knowing we have traitor's within our Republic and our right to take our Government back.

Using Black's Law Dictionary: search

to find out anything you want to know

www.fourwinds10.net...


"The Wizard of Oz" - What it really means!

This appears to be a message to expose the banking cartel in America, and to let the people know that they have the power to 'liquidate' them and get back to Kansas - the real land/republic (Hab 2.6-8).

Here are some of the important points made in this movie in an article by an unknown author:

The Symbolism Hidden Within "THE WIZARD of OZ" ~ author unknown
The "Wizard of Oz", written by L. Frank Baum, is not a mere child's story.

What is "Oz" a symbol for? Ounces.

What is measured in ounces? Gold.

What is the yellow brick road? Bricks or ingot bars of gold.

The character known as the Straw Man represents that fictitious, ALL CAPS, legal fiction - a PERSON, the Federal U.S. Government created with the same spelling as your birth name.
Remember what the Straw Man wanted from the Wizard of Oz? A Brain! No juristic person - legal fiction - paper corporation has a brain because he/she has no breath of life.
What did he get in place of a brain? A certificate: a Birth Certificate for a new legal creation.
He was proud of his new legal status, plus all the other legalisms he was granted. Now he becomes the epitome of the brainless sack of straw who was given a certificate in place of a grain of common sense.
Now, what about the Tin Man? Does Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) recall anything to mind? The poor TIN Man just stood there mindlessly doing his work until his body literally froze up and stopped functioning. He worked himself to death because he had no heart nor soul.
He's the heartless and emotionless creature robotically carrying out his daily task as though he were already dead. He's the ox pulling the plow and the mule toiling under the yoke. These days, his task masters just oil him nightly with beer and place him in front of a hypnotic television until his very existence no longer has any meaning or value. His masters keep him cold on the outside and heartless on the inside in order to control any emotion or feeling that might arise.
The Cowardly Lion was always too frightened to stand up for himself. Of course, he was a bully and a big mouth when it came to picking on those smaller than he. (Have you ever noticed how bullies are really the biggest cowards? They act as though they have great courage, but, in reality, have none at all. They roar, but with no teeth of authority to back them up.) When push came to shove, the Cowardly Lion always buckled under and whimpered when anyone of any size or stature challenged him. He wanted courage from the Grand Wizard, so he was awarded a medal of "official" recognition. Now, although remaining a coward, his official status allowed him to be a bully, but with officially recognized authority. (He's not unlike the Attorneys who hide behind the Middle Courts of the Temple Bar.) et al ad infinitum.
What about the trip through the field of poppies? Did you notice how this had no narcotic effect on the Straw Man (no brain) or the Tin Man (no heart or soul)? They weren't real people, so drugs could not influence them.

The Wizard of Oz was written at the turn of the century, so how could the author have known America was going to be drugged?
The Crown has been playing the drug cartel game for centuries.
Just look up the history of Hong Kong and the Opium Wars.
The Crown already had valuable experience conquering all of China with drugs, so why not the rest of the world?

What was the Emerald City? The Federal Reserve System.
Who finally exposed the Wizard for what he really was?
Toto, the ugly (or cute, depending on your perspective) and somewhat annoying little dog. Toto means "in total, all together; Latin in toto."
What was it that the witch wanted after she alleged that the little dog had bitten her? TOTO. ... everything. Notice how Toto was not scared of the Great Wizard's theatrics, yet he was so small in size, compared to the Wizard, that no one seemed to notice him?
The smoke, flames and holographic images of Oz were designed to frighten people into doing as the Great Wizard commanded.
Toto simply padded over, looked behind the curtain (the COURT, etc.), saw it was a scam, started barking until others paid attention to him and came to see what all the barking was about. Who was behind the curtain?
Just an ORDINARY PERSON controlling the levers that created the illusion of the Great Wizard's power and authority.
When Toto pulled back the curtain and completely exposed him, the charade was at an end. (The veil hiding the corporate legal fiction and its false courts was removed.)
The Wizard's game was UP. What was he after all? ... a con-man. A FRAUD.
We can see, in this tale, just how loud the bark from a little dog can be.
How about YOUR bark? How big is it?
Most of us remain silent and wait to be given whatever food and recognition, if any, by our legal master.
Let us not forget those pesky flying monkeys. What perfect mythical creatures to represent the Bar Association Attorneys who attack and control the little people for the Great Crown Wizard, the powerful and grand Bankers of Oz: GOLD!
How, finally, was the evil witch destroyed? .... pure, clean water LIQUIDATION!
How, at last, did Dorothy get home? She simply clicked her heels. She always had the power, and SO DO WE!
What would it take to expose the Wizard for what he is, tearing away his veils?
We each need only a brain, a heart and soul --- and COURAGE.
Then, and perhaps of the greatest importance, we need to learn HOW to WORK TOGETHER.
Only "in TOTO," WORKING TOGETHER as ONE Body of the King of Kings, (whatever name or form that may take for each of us), can we have the freedom given under God's Law.

*** end of article ***
The saints need to come out of the accounting/charging system of commerce, and into the forgiving/serving system of cooperation and love. The saints now can and MUST return to the "Garden" (Isa 51.3; 52.8-12)!











holy metaphor of metaphors batman!!!!



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:26 AM
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originally posted by: Bundy

originally posted by: jaffo
As an attorney, I can tell you that Jury Nullification is a fairly nebulous area and one that we do not generally throw around all willy-nilly. Mostly because while it sounds great, the potential for abuse is huge. You think it's great when it lets someone you do not think should have been charged get off scot free. But what happens when a racists jury refuses to issue a conviction for murder because they just don't care and they use jury nullification to get the result they want. Not everything in our justice system is corrupt. In fact, I will say that the attorneys and judges who work the court system every day do way more good than most of America will ever know. Simply because "doing the right thing" never makes the papers.


I particularly like the part about "While it sounds great, the potential for abuse is huge", sounds a whole lot like the justice system as a whole wouldn't you say? lol..

Every citizen should be aware and use this to the full extent they can.

I'm sure attorneys and other "people" working for the justice system dont like this, it undermines your power. You cant have that.

There are probably good judges and attorneys, probably. Still, good actors in a # tv show that needs to be cancelled. I'm sick of reruns.


We attorneys don't have any "power." We litigate. We make arguments. That's it. We do not pull strings or manipulate anything. We use the facts and circumstances available to us in order to get the best possible result for our client, whomever that may be. How exactly jury nullification is supposed to "undermine our power" is completely beyond me. After all, jury nullification will ALWAYS make at least one of the two sides extremely happy. That being the case, it's one of the more powerful tools available in many ways. And also one of the tools most easily abused by a community. You should throw down some cash and actually study the history of American jurisprudence and Constitutional interpretation sometime, because you have a lot of very clear assumptions about how things work which quite frankly just aren't true. Use of bad metaphors is no substitute for actual knowledge, my friend.
edit on 7-8-2015 by jaffo because: Spelling error.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: The only 1 who knows the
a reply to: The only 1 who knows the

Also this is so important to. Any attempt to change the Constitution is a act of tranny against " WE The People " and it is our God given right to bare arms against corrupt politicians and government. so the DICK ACT of 1902 . . . CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) THE TRUMP CARD ENACTED BY CONGRESS FURTHER ASSERTING THE SECOND AMENDMENT AS UNOUTCHABLE and why ?
Our Bill of rights as is the Magna Charta not (Magna Carta) is our rights set in stone by our founding Fathers to protect human rights against corrupt politicians and government tyranny. Any attempt to change it is our way of knowing we have traitor's within our Republic and our right to take our Government back.

Using Black's Law Dictionary: search

to find out anything you want to know

www.fourwinds10.net...


"The Wizard of Oz" - What it really means!

This appears to be a message to expose the banking cartel in America, and to let the people know that they have the power to 'liquidate' them and get back to Kansas - the real land/republic (Hab 2.6-8).

Here are some of the important points made in this movie in an article by an unknown author:

The Symbolism Hidden Within "THE WIZARD of OZ" ~ author unknown
The "Wizard of Oz", written by L. Frank Baum, is not a mere child's story.

What is "Oz" a symbol for? Ounces.

What is measured in ounces? Gold.

What is the yellow brick road? Bricks or ingot bars of gold.

The character known as the Straw Man represents that fictitious, ALL CAPS, legal fiction - a PERSON, the Federal U.S. Government created with the same spelling as your birth name.
Remember what the Straw Man wanted from the Wizard of Oz? A Brain! No juristic person - legal fiction - paper corporation has a brain because he/she has no breath of life.
What did he get in place of a brain? A certificate: a Birth Certificate for a new legal creation.
He was proud of his new legal status, plus all the other legalisms he was granted. Now he becomes the epitome of the brainless sack of straw who was given a certificate in place of a grain of common sense.
Now, what about the Tin Man? Does Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) recall anything to mind? The poor TIN Man just stood there mindlessly doing his work until his body literally froze up and stopped functioning. He worked himself to death because he had no heart nor soul.
He's the heartless and emotionless creature robotically carrying out his daily task as though he were already dead. He's the ox pulling the plow and the mule toiling under the yoke. These days, his task masters just oil him nightly with beer and place him in front of a hypnotic television until his very existence no longer has any meaning or value. His masters keep him cold on the outside and heartless on the inside in order to control any emotion or feeling that might arise.
The Cowardly Lion was always too frightened to stand up for himself. Of course, he was a bully and a big mouth when it came to picking on those smaller than he. (Have you ever noticed how bullies are really the biggest cowards? They act as though they have great courage, but, in reality, have none at all. They roar, but with no teeth of authority to back them up.) When push came to shove, the Cowardly Lion always buckled under and whimpered when anyone of any size or stature challenged him. He wanted courage from the Grand Wizard, so he was awarded a medal of "official" recognition. Now, although remaining a coward, his official status allowed him to be a bully, but with officially recognized authority. (He's not unlike the Attorneys who hide behind the Middle Courts of the Temple Bar.) et al ad infinitum.
What about the trip through the field of poppies? Did you notice how this had no narcotic effect on the Straw Man (no brain) or the Tin Man (no heart or soul)? They weren't real people, so drugs could not influence them.

The Wizard of Oz was written at the turn of the century, so how could the author have known America was going to be drugged?
The Crown has been playing the drug cartel game for centuries.
Just look up the history of Hong Kong and the Opium Wars.
The Crown already had valuable experience conquering all of China with drugs, so why not the rest of the world?

What was the Emerald City? The Federal Reserve System.
Who finally exposed the Wizard for what he really was?
Toto, the ugly (or cute, depending on your perspective) and somewhat annoying little dog. Toto means "in total, all together; Latin in toto."
What was it that the witch wanted after she alleged that the little dog had bitten her? TOTO. ... everything. Notice how Toto was not scared of the Great Wizard's theatrics, yet he was so small in size, compared to the Wizard, that no one seemed to notice him?
The smoke, flames and holographic images of Oz were designed to frighten people into doing as the Great Wizard commanded.
Toto simply padded over, looked behind the curtain (the COURT, etc.), saw it was a scam, started barking until others paid attention to him and came to see what all the barking was about. Who was behind the curtain?
Just an ORDINARY PERSON controlling the levers that created the illusion of the Great Wizard's power and authority.
When Toto pulled back the curtain and completely exposed him, the charade was at an end. (The veil hiding the corporate legal fiction and its false courts was removed.)
The Wizard's game was UP. What was he after all? ... a con-man. A FRAUD.
We can see, in this tale, just how loud the bark from a little dog can be.
How about YOUR bark? How big is it?
Most of us remain silent and wait to be given whatever food and recognition, if any, by our legal master.
Let us not forget those pesky flying monkeys. What perfect mythical creatures to represent the Bar Association Attorneys who attack and control the little people for the Great Crown Wizard, the powerful and grand Bankers of Oz: GOLD!
How, finally, was the evil witch destroyed? .... pure, clean water LIQUIDATION!
How, at last, did Dorothy get home? She simply clicked her heels. She always had the power, and SO DO WE!
What would it take to expose the Wizard for what he is, tearing away his veils?
We each need only a brain, a heart and soul --- and COURAGE.
Then, and perhaps of the greatest importance, we need to learn HOW to WORK TOGETHER.
Only "in TOTO," WORKING TOGETHER as ONE Body of the King of Kings, (whatever name or form that may take for each of us), can we have the freedom given under God's Law.

*** end of article ***
The saints need to come out of the accounting/charging system of commerce, and into the forgiving/serving system of cooperation and love. The saints now can and MUST return to the "Garden" (Isa 51.3; 52.8-12)!











holy metaphor of metaphors batman!!!!


Not only is an attempt to change the Constitution not an act of tyranny, it's something which is actually contemplated by and enabled by the document itself. You ever actually read it?



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:32 AM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: jaffo

I've noticed in jury selection they're careful to avoid the term "jury nullification", but smart enough to ask round about questions that may implicate the person of being aware of it. I've heard some "would you convict someone if you disagreed with the law?" type questions.


Absolutely. Like I said, both attorneys have a goal in that situation: One wants to convict, one wants to acquit. It's a really neat process with lots of details that you would never know about if you did not do it and also lots of history as to how it got to where it is now. In all seriousness, this sort of thing is fascinating to study.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: AlongCamePaul
And a time will come to pass when the rights of the people will be infringed upon for the good of the establishment.

Just one of the many ways the centralized government has already proven you 'the people' have no authority undermining the centralized government.

Watch as your liberties be stripped, like a bleaching of the american flag.


That time has already come. The patriot act nullified the Fourth Amendment, and the NDAA amendment has nullified Habeas Corpus. It's a done deal.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: JohnFisher

Doubtful since jury nullification is not valid in Colorado.



Jury nullification is valid in Colorado and every other state and the federal system. If not, why is there a jury? Is it supposed to rubber stamp the prosecution's case, or can they still come in with 'not guilty'? Of course they can, or they can convict.

The jury is the conscience of the community.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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It's the part of the justice system that actually provides justice that the government wants to suppress. I'm thinking that by even implying there is such a thing as jury nullification the media is guilty of the same thing as the citizen.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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come on Jaffo...in a perfect world, maybe you don't have power....but, there have been too many revelations of tampering with evidence, disclosure of key witnesses, etc... there have been numerous cases of prisoner releases, due to inadvertent, sloppy, or deliberate investigative shortcomings....prosecutors are obviously driven to show how "tough on crime" they are. and, if prosecutors call into question police activities regarding cases, they soon find out that they have few friends in law enforcement, and their careers can go down the drain.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: tmeister182
It's the part of the justice system that actually provides justice that the government wants to suppress. I'm thinking that by even implying there is such a thing as jury nullification the media is guilty of the same thing as the citizen.


No one is trying to hide the fact that jury nullification exists. I mean really, it has a Wiki page. If we legal types are trying to hide its existence. . . we're doing a terrible job.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 09:52 PM
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Is that your own quote? Very well said as in your previous post.

It is no wonder we (Americans) are the laughing stalk of the civilized world. We appear as back ward illiterate baboons.
Still no spell check.
WIS



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 11:25 PM
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a reply to: Salander

Its not actually and previous posts have confirmed that.


Jury nullification is not based on the evidence at all. Its based on the personal opinion / beliefs of an individual about a law. It bypasses the legislative branch, which is problematic. It flys in the face of the judicial branch, which again is a problem. Relying on an individual's personal opinion of a law instead of the facts of the case is a bad bad bad idea, as we have seen throughout history.

In Colorado, as well as most other states, only the judge can tell the jury how they must consider the facts of a case. Jury instruction is reserved to the judge, and rightfully so.


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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:15 AM
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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:18 AM
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originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: Bundy

originally posted by: jaffo
As an attorney, I can tell you that Jury Nullification is a fairly nebulous area and one that we do not generally throw around all willy-nilly. Mostly because while it sounds great, the potential for abuse is huge. You think it's great when it lets someone you do not think should have been charged get off scot free. But what happens when a racists jury refuses to issue a conviction for murder because they just don't care and they use jury nullification to get the result they want. Not everything in our justice system is corrupt. In fact, I will say that the attorneys and judges who work the court system every day do way more good than most of America will ever know. Simply because "doing the right thing" never makes the papers.


I particularly like the part about "While it sounds great, the potential for abuse is huge", sounds a whole lot like the justice system as a whole wouldn't you say? lol..

Every citizen should be aware and use this to the full extent they can.

I'm sure attorneys and other "people" working for the justice system dont like this, it undermines your power. You cant have that.

There are probably good judges and attorneys, probably. Still, good actors in a # tv show that needs to be cancelled. I'm sick of reruns.


We attorneys don't have any "power." We litigate. We make arguments. That's it. We do not pull strings or manipulate anything. We use the facts and circumstances available to us in order to get the best possible result for our client, whomever that may be. How exactly jury nullification is supposed to "undermine our power" is completely beyond me. After all, jury nullification will ALWAYS make at least one of the two sides extremely happy. That being the case, it's one of the more powerful tools available in many ways. And also one of the tools most easily abused by a community. You should throw down some cash and actually study the history of American jurisprudence and Constitutional interpretation sometime, because you have a lot of very clear assumptions about how things work which quite frankly just aren't true. Use of bad metaphors is no substitute for actual knowledge, my friend.


I'm pretty certain that if no jury would convict, in a majority of cases, that would undermine some of the power you apparently do not have. Who needs attorneys when you have a near zero percent chance of conviction? Not many people i would presume.

What you're not getting is that if everything wasn't written in a foreign language conjured up and spread across the land by a bunch of control freaks there'd be no need for a lawyer/translator to argue someones case for them, they could do it themselves and they would be much better off. No ones going to be as focused on your defense as you are.

Are you picking up what im putting down?



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Salander

Its not actually and previous posts have confirmed that.


Jury nullification is not based on the evidence at all. Its based on the personal opinion / beliefs of an individual about a law. It bypasses the legislative branch, which is problematic. It flys in the face of the judicial branch, which again is a problem. Relying on an individual's personal opinion of a law instead of the facts of the case is a bad bad bad idea, as we have seen throughout history.

In Colorado, as well as most other states, only the judge can tell the jury how they must consider the facts of a case. Jury instruction is reserved to the judge, and rightfully so.



Well, if one buys into the notion that political power does not originate with the people, then you are correct.

But, if one accepts the principle that in a government of, by and for the people, you are wrong.

You are suggesting that our elected officials do not (at least in theory) serve those who elected them, that the legislative branch is superior to those who sent them into office. I don't buy that, but I admit to being a hopeless romantic.

If one accepts the tenets of the Declaration of Independence, or the principles enunciated in the US Constitution, which I do, then you are simply offering an example of authoritarianism and state being supreme.

The Jury IS we the people, and we the people DO HAVE the power to vote against a law as it is applied in one particular case. We DO HAVE the power, it's called "the Jury power", and that is noted in Article III of the USC and in the 7th Amendment.

So, you are free to embrace the sophistry of Sparf and other dubious decisions, but I know better.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 09:30 AM
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a reply to: Salander

Except for the fact the US is not a Democracy but a constitutional representative republic. Meaning the people delegate their authority to those who are elected, who then operate on their behalf.

The legislative branch is the most powerful considering its the branch that represents the people.

You don't have the power to nullify a law based on your own personal opinion of that law. You want it changed, talk to your rep and go from there.



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