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Indradhanush - RAF Typhoons Engage The Sukhoi's

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posted on Aug, 6 2015 @ 01:08 AM
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aviationweek.com...

The Flanker pilots were also able to use their thrust-vectoring control (TVC) “super-maneuverability” capability activated by flipping a switch in the cockpit. One pilot told Aviation Week that they had used the yaw capability of the TVC to remain inside the tight turn radius of the Typhoon in order to keep the Typhoon in missile launch parameters.


Its interesting how the Typhoon was almost able to keep pace with the Sukhoi without a TVC. But then its not surprising as Typhoon was probably designed with these fighters mind.



It was not possible to assess which aircraft, if any, had the upper hand in air combat, pilots and commanders remained tight lipped on the results of any dogfighting.


Local media has started reporting on the outcome of the exercise but i will wait until i get more sources.Thought it does seem that NATO pilots maybe more more in tune with BVR than WVR combat..



RAF Wg. Cmdr. Chris Moon, commanding officer of 3 (Fighter) Sqn which led the exercise said that participants had adopted a “crawl, walk, run approach” with Indian crews familiarizing themselves with U.K. airspace regulations before taking on the Typhoons in 1vs1, 2vs1 and increasingly complex engagements. The last exercise mission saw all four Flankers working with six Typhoons to escort and support two C-130J Hercules on a paradropping mission. They were opposed by 8-10 red-air Typhoons.

The exercise also saw the use of an Indian C-17 and an Il-78 tanker aircraft. The Il-78 operated alongside an RAF A330 Voyager tanker over the North Sea. While the Su-30s could have refueled from the Voyager, they were not cleared to, as a result fighters refueled from their national assets.


I can't for the life of me get the upload screen to work so cant get the pics here, though there are some videos below.




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posted on Aug, 6 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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They are both nice aircraft.

I'm going to guess the results were extremely close.


It's just a shame our RAF has been gutted. At the moment it is a sad and embarrassing joke.



posted on Aug, 6 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Indian media says otherwise, but am gonna wait for an international source before posting..



posted on Aug, 6 2015 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

The results were 12-0 in favor of the Indians according to the Indians, which doesn't really mean much without knowing the ROE for the training.

According to the RAF, the Typhoons were fighting handicapped.



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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 12:43 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Actually, both were fighting handicapped from what i saw. the 12 - 0 figure is purely from WVR combat. The figure is more or less a balance when it comes to BVR combat. Both IAF and RAF i believe turned of many of the systems, Especially IAF to avoid any snooping....



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 03:15 AM
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It is all about ROE as Zaphod58 pointed out.


forces.tv...

Sources from the RAF state, however, that Indian planes were being 'bedded in' to new terrain and effectively shown the ropes. The RAF were "introducing them to the airspace", putting the Typhoons up against the Sukhois in something more akin to a pigeon-shooting exercise, rather than a combat exercise, so the Indian pilots could get their bearings.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 03:30 AM
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a reply to: moebius

both sides in the media have the tendency to talk nonsense as seen below in 2011

twocircles.net...

The truth is probably something in between. IAF never had any official claims, so the link you posted gives incorrect news on supposed "IAF claims"

This is the official statement of the IAF


"Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV his pilots performed "fairly well" though "quantifying [the results] is difficult"."

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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 03:39 AM
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a reply to: maddy21

I don't know the ROE, do you?

If you don't, any statements are to be taken with a huge grain of salt.

This is the same as the claim from Typhoon guys to have dominated Raptors.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 03:42 AM
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It hasn't been given out, This is why i refused from putting a source from indian media, being Indian, i know the Indian media sprouts sensationalist garbage. Wanted to avoid the whole 2004-05 Cope India controversy lol
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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: crazyewok

The results were 12-0 in favor of the Indians according to the Indians, which doesn't really mean much without knowing the ROE for the training.

According to the RAF, the Typhoons were fighting handicapped.




Thats worrying seeing our government keeps slashing our RAF.....


Hail to our new Russian overlords......
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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I bobbed along to the final day of Indradanush. Hope you like this selection from the 4000 photos i somehow managed to take that day.

BTW - speaking of the Typhoon's offering easy targets deliberately and flying handicapped, as mentioned earlier in the thread, I can only say that none of the RAF''s ISTAR fleet of Sentry's, Sentinel's and Shadows were to be seen at all, except for a couple of Sentry's on the ground that never moved all day. Can't see that happening in a proper fight.

Anyhow, some nice pics;



























posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Just look at other exercises. When the US went to India the results were ugly. When India came to Red Flag the results were completely different. It's all about the ROE of the exercise. Numbers don't mean anything without knowing what the ROE was.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: waynos

Love the one with the comment added. Ha.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: crazyewok

Just look at other exercises. When the US went to India the results were ugly. When India came to Red Flag the results were completely different. It's all about the ROE of the exercise. Numbers don't mean anything without knowing what the ROE was.

Still the RAF is constantly being gutted.

Even if we have good aircraft and good Aircraft if SHTF with Russia they could overrun our skys before you guys even showed up im betting.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

The RAF in many areas is in better shape than we are. Your primary fighter held its own at worst against the F-22 in a knife fight. Even at reduced numbers you'll be able to hold your own easily.

In an all out attack, just about any air force is going to be hard pressed to hold back the Russian bombers. They're not in the best shape, but their missiles make up for a lot.
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: crazyewok

The RAF in many areas is in better shape than we are. Your primary fighter held its own at worst against the F-22 in a knife fight. Even at reduced numbers you'll be able to hold your own easily.


From the expert that makes me feel a tad safer


Still its the numbers that worry me. RAF has cut its order of the F-35 in half I believe and its going to be retiring first batch of Typhoons soon.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

They're ordering them in stages, largely waiting on the defense requirements paper to come out. The planned buy as of May was 138 aircraft.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Also, the plan to retire tranche 1 Typhoons (and sell them) has been overturned. The high utilisation of Typhoons and especially Tornadoes means they ALL now get upgraded to full FGR4 standard. Oman's Tuphoons were supposed to be ex-RAF tranche 1 aircraft,they will now be new-builds from Warton.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: waynos

Good to hear that. Now if Pratt can get their head out of their ass on the F135 we'll be looking better and better.
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

IF your talking about Red flag, the Video from that Aggressor Pilot, He had a lot of inconsistencies in his speech.

Besides, Typhoons are far better in BVR combat than WVR combat. YOU cannot beat the Su-30mki with its thrust vector in WVR combat. The 12-0 result happened during WVR combat.I don't know about Typhoon piilots but i have heard Su-30mki pilots get around 250-300hours of training in an year...
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