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originally posted by: zazzafrazz
I don't believe in magic and tales told to scare the wee kiddies.
originally posted by: yulka
Its a religious deity among the Knights Templars, the religious aspect of between the Masonry and the Templars are ancient symbolics and the idealistic values. In some sense you could link them together, but the fact is they share very little in common. Knights Templars didnt support a human deity like the king of France, but the necessary control over the trade routes and a Banking system, was actually their doom in France. They lived on in England until they also had to disperse from there.
The Knights Templar holds mysticism, cause well, mysticism is involved. There were thoughts about resurrecting it, but in my concern its a bad idea. Cause the idealism in a Knights templar has gone Nationalistic, which its not.
As Duke of Aquitaine, the English king Edward I was a vassal to Philip, and had to pay him homage. Following the Fall of Acre in 1291 however, the former allies started to show dissent.[7] In 1293 following a naval incident between the Normans and the English, Philip summoned Edward to the French court. The English King sought to negotiate the matter and sent ambassadors to Paris but they were turned away with a blunt refusal. Negotiation was for kings, Edward was addressed by Philip as a duke, a vassal and nothing more, despite the incident having been an international one between England and France and not an internal one involving Edward's possessions within the kingdom of France. Attempting to use their family connections to achieve what open politics had not, Edward sent his brother Edmund Crouchback (who was both Philip's cousin and step-father-in-law) to come negotiate with the French Royal family and avert war. Also, Edward was at that time betrothed by proxy to Philip's sister Blanche, and Edmund was to escort her to England for the wedding in the event of the negotiations being successful. An agreement was indeed reached; it stated that Edward would voluntarily relinquish his continental lands to Philip as a sign of submission in his capacity as Duke of Aquitaine and in return Philip would forgive him and restore his land after a grace period. In the matter of the marriage, Philip drove a hard bargain based partially on the difference in age between Edward and Blanche; it was agreed that the province of Gascony would be retained by Philip in return for agreeing to the marriage. The date of the wedding was also put off until the formality of sequestering and re-granting his French lands to Edward was completed. But Edward, Edmund and the English were deceived. The French had no intention of returning the land to the English monarch. Edward kept up his part of the deal and turned over his continental estates to the French but Philip used the pretext that the English King had refused his summons to strip Edward of all his possessions in France, thereby initiating hostilities with England.[7] The outbreak of hostilities with England in 1294 was the inevitable result of the competitive expansionist monarchies, triggered by a secret Franco-Scottish pact of mutual assistance against Edward I; inconclusive campaigns for the control of Gascony to the southwest of France were fought in 1294–98 and 1300–03. Philip gained Guienne but was forced to return it. The search for income to cover military expenditures set its stamp on Philip's reign and his contemporary reputation. Pursuant to the terms of the Treaty of Paris (1303), the marriage of Philip's daughter Isabella to the Prince of Wales, heir of Philip's enemy, celebrated at Boulogne, 25 January 1308, was meant to seal a peace; instead it would produce an eventual English claimant to the French throne itself, and the Hundred Years' War.[citation needed]
Drive for income See also: Coinage of Philip IV of France See also: History of the Jews in France § The Great Exile of 1306 Sledgehammer denier during Philip the Fair In the shorter term, Philip arrested Jews so that he could seize their assets to accommodate the inflated costs of modern warfare, expelling them from his French territories on 22 July 1306. At this point in his reign Philip was faced with extensive financial liabilities, partially inherited from his father's war against Aragon and partially incurred by the cost of his own campaigns against the English and their allies in Flanders. His financial victims also included rich abbots and the Lombard merchants who had earlier made him extensive loans on the pledge of repayment from future taxation. Like the Jews, the Lombard bankers were expelled from France and their property expropriated. In addition to these measures Philip debased the French coinage which by 1306 had led to a two-thirds loss in the value of the livres, sous and denirs in circulation. This financial crisis led to rioting in Paris which forced Philip to briefly seek refuge in the Paris Temple - headquarters of the Knights Templar.[8] Philip was condemned by his enemy, Pope Boniface VIII in the Catholic Church[9] for his spendthrift lifestyle. When he also levied taxes on the French clergy of one half their annual income, he caused an uproar within the Roman Catholic Church and the papacy, prompting Pope Boniface VIII to issue the Bull Clericis laicos, forbidding the transference of any church property to the French Crown. This prompted a drawn-out diplomatic battle between Church and King. Philip convoked an assembly of bishops, nobles and grand bourgeois of Paris in order to condemn the Pope. This precursor to the Etats Généraux appeared for the first time during his reign, a measure of the professionalism and order that his ministers were introducing into government. Philip emerged victorious, after having sent his agent William Nogaret to arrest Boniface at Anagni, when the French archbishop Bertrand de Goth was elected pope as Clement V and the official seat of the papacy moved to Avignon, an enclave surrounded by French territories.[citation needed]
originally posted by: soulpowertothendegree
I see the similarities here.
originally posted by: jamsession
so, a fair amount of the world's male population keeps humpin a goat head, right? i knew all along that there was some perversion involved but never thought that it'd be taken that far, jus wow... o_O
originally posted by: nonjudgementalist
So all life was conceived in a goats head?
It's all starting to all make sense now.
I should mention, you probably won't get this unless you're past a certain age.
I'm still not, and furthmore wary of wasting time by attempting to... If you get it you get it, and if you don't you don't
My understanding is that it's a state of being,rather than an intrinsic part of our nature or some kind of deity.
Anyway
I wanted to talk about some possible connection to the mafia (or "the mob"). But wasnt sure how to put that into words. I'm still not, and furthmore wary of wasting time by attempting to...
Where is it pointing? What is it pointing?
But I still don't fully get what it means of what it is. I mean is it a metaphor, a signpost, or a deity? It can't be all three.