Michael Moore's new film: "Where to Invade Next"

a reply to: jacygirl

You are my new hero. Bernie is my 'already' hero.


Bernie/Jacy 2016

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Lol...that works for me. He's the only one who doesn't scare me.
Hilary and Donald...I just don't think either one of them cares about anything but themselves.

Therein lies the entire point I suppose.
Leaders should care about the people.

jacy

Ok, I watched it to. It has nothing to do with US invasion of other countries. Michael Moore just travels to EU to find that people in general live better lives then home in USA. He says life was better in USA in the past, and wants to go back to that. He thinks this can be achieved, by placing women in power, instead of men.

BTW: Some of the people he interviewed Iceland, seemed very scared.

I didn't watch the film, but I think Trump is wants to fight Iran with Saudi money, so he is going to be our next war president.

The parts in the film that were filmed in France and Italy were 100% accurate.
I mean, he could have twisted things or given a slightly biased view- but I know from direct experience how accurate they are. They showed the way school children eat- I used to work as a cook in a kitchen that made the meals for a local elementary school.I was blown away often by the menu! I can't count how many times I'd go to the head chef or dietician to ask, "Um, is there a mistake here? Do five year olds eat Roquefort cheese by itself?? And steamed leeks, sliced tomatoes??? "

My kids would come home from school and ask me to make things like cauliflower, or certain types of fish like Rouget, because they ate it at school. Imagine me, the young american mom standing there with my mac and cheese and hot dogs, while my kids grimace at it!

The attitudes about sex- teaching kids to be realistic, and to be sensitive to each other, on the subject, is really a shock too.


I feel bad when I watch that movie, because it shows exactly what I found out after leaving the US- we'd been had. We've been lied to, taken advantage of, abused, and convinced that we should be thankful for it.
The "unavoidable consequences" of things like nudity, sexual education, equal rights, universal healthcare, employees rights and social security, free universities, and all the other subjects he approached, were LIES. The proof exists in real life now!

It makes me sad because I remember how angry I felt when I found out- and I was out! I had escaped! But the people still there, who cannot leave, they have debts to pay, they have lots of ways they are held captive, and I can totally understand why they'd want to deny this, even when faced with evidence. No one wants to feel powerless. And faced with huge machine of war we have before us, we cannot feel anything but powerless to change it.
Tell yourself the right to own a gun will protect you from your government... but sadly your government has much bigger weapons and the gun can only serve in killing your neighbor.

a reply to: Bluesma

This is a brilliant post, Bluesma.

Thank you for shedding some experienced light and awareness on the boards. We desperately need it right now.

a reply to: Bluesma

I only logged on to lurk this morning, but I have to respond to you.

Bluesma, I was really hoping you would find this thread and participate. I was so mind-blown by this movie that I really hoped someone from France or Italy would tell us if the information was accurate.

My immediate gut feeling was anger and betrayal...as you mentioned. You're right, we've been had.
Our quality of life here is pitiful and we have a mostly messed up population proving just that.

Thank you for confirming this. (I'm sorry, not waking up well and fumbling for words)
Much appreciation.
jacy

originally posted by: jacygirl

Bluesma, I was really hoping you would find this thread and participate. I was so mind-blown by this movie that I really hoped someone from France or Italy would tell us if the information was accurate.

I was thinking later, that in the case of his coverage of the system in Italy and France (which is the same in these aspects) the way he questioned the people left room open for some misunderstandings. I don't think he did it on purpose- I think even he was looking from the perspective of an american.

Specifically, he questioned the CEO's or employers, concerning things like paid vacations, asking them questions like "You don't mind paying for people to go on vacation for several weeks???"

This is slightly misleading, as the employers do not pay directly. I misunderstood this for a long time, and out of concern for my employer, sometimes did not take my vacations I had the right to, or the sick days. I was stupid because it made no difference to him!

When you go on vacation (or are sick, or have a baby), you continue to get your salary, but it comes from the state- not from your employer.
That way, your employer can afford to hire a temp in your place if they so wish. (or not, as they choose)


So, asking the employer if they "mind" giving someone paid vacation and seeing them say "of course not!" makes it seem like they are extremely compassionate and generous.... when that isn't the case.

These are funded by the taxes the employee paid into. As an employee, you don't have the right to them the first year of work, because you have to "earn" them. The second year onward, you are spending what you already paid into.
In the US, I would pay taxes, and those would just go to other people and not come back to me.
But in any case, the employer is actually relieved of paying a salary while the employee is on vacation.



There is something fundamentally different in the perspective this gives the people, concerning their relationship to the government, and to business. They do not see it as a "nanny state" or being "owned" by the state- quite the opposite! They have a very clear attitude that "I own the government! I am their employer, I pay them to hold my money and to give it back to me when I want/need it."

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Hubby and I really enjoyed the film.

We snickered at Moore's tongue-in-cheek approach to the US invading other countries to specifically steal their democratic socialist ideas.

Some good chuckles throughout the film and plenty of eye-opening things as well.... even for those of us who are already in agreement with liberal-democratic-socialist-hippy-humanitarian-tree-hugging ideologies.





I also made a mental note to myself after watching his film:

If I ever travel to France, I'll be hanging out at the school cafeterias for my high-end dining experiences.

I saw the movie about 2 months ago. It was most informative regarding other cultures, and what CAN BE achieved by way of progressive and forward-thinking public policy and legislation.

Compared to some European and Scandinavian countries, the US is still in the Dark Ages.

A good movie.

a reply to: Salander

No kidding, we really are.
It's so disturbing that the US seems to be actually back-sliding. Keep this up, and we'll be known as a "developing country"!

Stupidity is stupid. Such a waste. I was just reading an interview that Noam Chomsky gave to democracynow - he made some very salient points, but I don't dare post them here, I know I'd be ripped to shreds.