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Why are Republicans Obsessed with Self Preservation.

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posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: honested3

It's a paradigm. I believe what Jesus said, everyone else just make excuses to sin.


Do you believe the government should take from others to dole out?

Or do you believe that people should give of themselves?
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posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

People should control the government as much as possible to make a stable society which needs wealth redistribution in a capitalist system as they tend to take more & more, competitively, while giving less and less...... Some of it is gratuitous one-up-manship and vanity capital hoarding, some just a symptom of 'good business sense'...... but when The Uber-Capitalists own The Uber Government we're UBER SCREWED........... Take The Power Back.......

Communist Anarchism can only lead to an Uber-Dracon-State, just as Anarcho-Capitalism can only lead to an Uber-Dracon-Oligarchy... Both may have fascist overtones, such as top down power hierarchies, totalitarianism, figureheads, duty & obedience instilled over independence, conformity over individualism........ I stay in the Bottom Mid-Right (Libertarianism) to Bottom Mid-Left (Communitarianism), to Center (Real Direct Democracy), grounded, LOWERED PYRAMID OF POWER - where power flows mostly upwards instead of mostly downwards.....



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: PrivateSi

To be frank, I got maybe a fraction of that.

I don't think anyone has a right to what I have except me.



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: honested3

You sound a lot like Judas who rebuked Mary for washing Jesus's hair with Nard. He got angry with her for using such an expensive perfume. After all, it could have been sold and the money used to help the poor. There are so many and they suffer so much. Those were his arguments.

Jesus rebuked Judas by telling him the Nard had been intended for Christ's own funeral and that Mary had every right to use it as she saw fit for Him. After all, the poor will always be with you, but He said that He would not.

In other words, He saw that Judas was motivated by greed, not any actual feeling of compassion for the poor.



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

You sign up to live in a nation state and hope you have some say over it...... Else it's anarchy and the inevitable Uber-State or Uber-Oligarchy that has ARISEN LIKE AN EVIL PHOENIX to haunt humanity, over and over again, from each of its anarchic resets in various countries - like The Nazis, Spain and The Fascists and ISUS....... EVERY TIME....... So pay yer taxes or GO TO HELL, M8!

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posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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Here's the deal: republicans are conservatives- they believe in things the way they are because they bought the okey doke.

Now the okey doke does not mean that they actually think things are OK- If you listen to them talk they are obviously very afraid that they are in serious immediate danger all the time (and they are right about that even though they are wrong about the nature of the danger).

The okey doke just means that things are as they should be, and that anything wrong is something you brought on yourself. If a republican takes a hit it is a judgement on their fitness to survive, not a wrong in the world.

It's a matter of preserving SELF IMAGE not just self. To pay a fair wage to someone who is suffering, or to not aim your gun at someone who is just scared of you, is to lower your standing and give it to somebody less deserving in their world view.

To accept the necessity of kindness would be to admit the inadequacy of the typical person when compared to the big picture and ultimately admit that the mere fact of continuing to exist successfully is not a merit and is not something intrinsic that you can be sure will always be there for you.

Listen to them complain about liberals if you want to know what it is they can't see in themselves. They don't like people who need help, they don't like victims, they don't like people who don't insert Tab D into Slot V. They don't like it because if it could happen to their neighbor it could happen to them, and that's a threat to their SELF in the deepest sense of the word.



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: honested3

Arguments to say that The Bible contains very badly written rules and is UBER GLOBALIST (it intends its laws to dominate mankind, unchangingly, forever, and wants to be spread GLOBALLY, (passively) AGGRESSIVELY).... The right-wing religious don't see or hear this........

I'm an atheist minimalist liberal, near enough libertarian who believes in Local to National to International Real Direct Democracy - where we make and vote on laws, policies and budgets with transparent accounts - no parliament, no councils, just The Peoples Technocracy........... DECENTRALISED CENTRALISATION..........

Compassionate (simple welfare state & NHS) Libertarianism (individual freedom over group rights, violence only against direct violent attack, strong but minimal law & state)
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posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: honested3
a reply to: rexsblues

See it sounds simple and noble when you say it like that, but are you really just 'barely' providing for your family? Or do you have excess income that could help other families who aren't making it. And in what way are the Liberal causes bad? Why can't they be funded on things you disagree with?



Lemme guess, you grew up in a "ERRYBODY gets a trophy" generation. Am I right?



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: honested3

Why is anyone? Why are women, men, whites , black, Hispanic, poor, rich, old, young? The basis of the question is a little ridiculous. Why is anyone or any group concerned with self preservation? There's your answer



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

If people were not giving of themselves everyday, someone would have come along by now and taken it from us and we would be refuge's in mexico or canada. Our AK's and guns will be bb guns against a real evil government like ISIS.

And I believe every word of the Beatitudes taught by Jesus. They just don't apply now, maybe some day.



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 03:35 PM
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I just want to point out that the left continually has this socialist utopia pipe dream. The people that rule over this planet have plans that once you get rid of the past American system will not be a utopia and will be much worse for all of them.

Anytime socialism is used it is a race to the bottom. They do not bring people on the bottom up to the middle. They bring everyone else down to the bottom. I saw a chart somewhere that was government data supposedly that showed per capita GDP currently at $50,000 or so. By 2025 it will be $8,800.

Who do you think is going to be oppressed most in this system? All these inner cities and rioting have targets squarely on them. When martial law comes and the real tyranny, the poor and downtrodden with be oppressed like they do not know now. However, when that happens, there will be no going back. There is a reason the US has such a high standard of living compared to most of the former and current communist countries. As Putin said, "Don't move toward socialism. We tried it and it doesn't work." You see Russia and China moving in the opposite direction. People just assume that taking from the rich and giving to the needy is going to make things all better. Newsflash, it won't. What it will do under sustainable development is reduce everyone to poverty levels and the elite rulers will still be in the same position.

America has fought against communism/socialism most of its days. The left has been infiltrated by the communist/socialists. The Democratic Party is NOT the Democratic Party that existed for most of the time this country has been around. Talk to your grandparents about what exactly their beliefs were and you will probably be surprised that they align with more of the conservative class today. I am not talking about extremist views either. Most people I know, Left or Right have freedom, opportunity, and the constitution as their American ideals. American ideals are under attack like never before in history. To do this, they will promise you everything and you will receive things like Obamacare where only a few compared to the population benefited and most have suffered harm because of it. More is to come. We are not a European nation. We have a large population that most are only getting by paycheck to paycheck.

I have been planning to change to Independent as far as political ideology goes because the corporate enabled politicians are working on your destruction on both sides. However in reference to the OP, I am not rich at all. Barely getting by actually. But, I am trying to defend our freedom that is under attack severely. Many do not see it and are like the proverbial frog in the pot of water being warmed slowly. There should be OUTRAGE and people in the streets over what the government has done. I am talking about Constitutional Free Zones, Free Speech Zones, No Due Process if they target you and most Americans are already under the definition of terrorist by this government. They can imprison you indefinitely without recourse and even take your life if they want with no protection. You are being set up for the slaughter and if the things they have been up to are somehow slipping past your danger early warning system radar, then you need a new radar!

I do not think Republicans or conservatives are wrong in wanting to protect their freedoms and keep what they earned. That does not mean I agree with the 1% or extreme wealth hoarding. However, most Republicans don't have extreme wealth anyway. The majority are just everyday hard working individuals. Ask why it is they support the conservative side and it may be clearer. Unfortunately, many have taken the bait and argue the talking points given by the party line. Most are fearful of this race to the bottom and taking of what are our freedoms and ending up in a tyrannical system where the federal government manages every aspect of your life and there is nothing you can do about it. Once they have you where they want you, there will be no turning back. Not unless there is massive bloodshed which nobody wants to have happen.

I am always pissed when the government wastes billions of $ of OUR taxpayers money on things that have no benefit for the Americans that need it most. If we have all this extra money to give to countries that hate us, then why should there be any suffering of the homeless in America. There are thousands of homes in places like Detroit, but the government is bulldozing them. It is not going to help you if you think the elite or government is going to implement some socialist utopia. No, it will be a socialist nightmare. Ideologies are nice, but if you look at history, you will see it is otherwise and violent. You hear about all the problems with resource depletion, global warming, etc. and say we need to all cut back. Well, if you look into things they want to take from successful countries and develop 3rd world countries. How do you think that is going to help resource depletion when they move up to a consumerist society?

I have an understanding of what is going on from the inside, but most people don't have the time nor ability to dig into the sources and find out for themselves. They listen to mainstream media and group-think and argue their positions like they are programmed to do. Most of the people on this site are at least awake enough to know the difference between ideology and implementation from your government, i.e. rulers. However, that is not the case with the population. What we see today are symptoms of a very sick system and the politicians have bought into this fix the globalists are pushing. You are not part of the plan except to be used as a generator of money to go elsewhere. Democrat or Republican. And they are fully prepared to implement their plans by force if necessary. There is a reason this administration has clamped down on information instead of being transparent. It is not Obama's fault, but his handlers because so much going on behind closed doors would show their hand if it was transparent. Again, not necessarily Obama's issue, but the globalists implementation issues. Operational security comes to mind. And there are people paid to argue or derail any thinking that would begin to reveal it to the public. You can see them on sites like this because we are the people most likely to question the official story.

Anyway, as to the OP, I think there are more issues to Republican or conservative sides than what the left want you to believe. To the globalists it is all about taking the money and freedom from the Americans. And that includes the Left as much as the right. I would say the majority of both parties in America are very closely related on the economic and freedom side. But the argument framed and sold by the globalists has people blind to that fact.



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: PrivateSi

To be frank, I got maybe a fraction of that.

I don't think anyone has a right to what I have except me.


hey beez...I don't want any of your stuff....no carrots, no girl rabbits, no rabbit vodka, no bugsbun cigars, no jackalopes, no bunny slippers...now, a playboy bunny I would be hoppy with.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 11:08 PM
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Conservatism → to conserve → to preserve.

It's only logical -- i.e., an illogical form of 'logic'.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:24 AM
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originally posted by: honested3
a reply to: rexsblues

See it sounds simple and noble when you say it like that, but are you really just 'barely' providing for your family? Or do you have excess income that could help other families who aren't making it. And in what way are the Liberal causes bad? Why can't they be funded on things you disagree with?




If you are typing this post out and had extra money this month after paying your bills, you are a hypocrite and have no right preaching that other people should be giving their livelihoods when you haven't done the same yourself.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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The Left = Equality

The Right = Preservation



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