a reply to: Profusion
I think it depends upon the man. For some, it's a positive thing that may certainly help an individual evolve.
I do think that for many of these men I can see the appeal and even why it makes sense to them and maybe even makes a certain sense socially and
culturally. We no longer need to breed like mad in order to maintain our society. If you do not have an overwhelming drive to be a father on a
personal level, why bother? Long term relationships are difficult and often messy. There are women that are checking out of the breeding pool as
well though. Frankly, it is possible for many men and women to raise a child on their own if they really want to be a parent. For many, the
potential benefits vs. effort just don't add up. This part of it is not necessarily a strictly gendered phenomenon, but I do believe that there are
more men than women feeling this way and acting on it.
Most haven't really come to terms with their instincts and ego, so as a result, for some MGTOW it is simply a sign that our society is circling the
drain of Calhoun's Behavioral Sink. Some are "The Beautiful Ones", focused entirely on self and in some (although not all) rather myopically focused
upon rather shallow aspects of self. We are still social creatures and complete self-absorption is not conducive to the survival of the species.
At the end of the day, this in and of itself is not so bad, as long as they aren't wallowing in resentment. It is not very socially responsible, but
we don't need to invest in social capital as much as we did previously as a species, so we can exist in our little personal bubbles without much (if
For others, they are simply throwing a fit because they are entitled snots who don't see women as human beings but as playthings that should exist for
their own sexual gratification and ego stroking. When they don't get that, and they see it is unlikely that they will, they just categorize all women
as Spoiled Princesses and pick up their ball and stomp off to pout.
In my experience though, the MGTOW movement focuses obsessively on hating women more than self improvement specifically for individual men or
empowerment for men in general. If they find life fulfillment without cultivating a long term relationship then good for them for figuring
themselves out in spite of the instincts and social pressures. As long as it is a positive thing, instead of a whiny Poor Me Women Are Mean and Evil
thing, then great. Good for you, and it could be at least an aspect of social evolution that is contemporarily relevant. I don't think it is a good
long term survival strategy for the species however. Things change. Times get hard. If we don't know how to interact with each other in a way that
facilitate sexual reproduction we may be in trouble in the end.
There is a viciously, negative preoccupation with women that is so pervasive and ubiquitous that it invalidates most of the current MGTOW movement;
which is a shame really. It could be a good thing if there were some more self awareness and direction, but at the moment... Not so much. Long
story short, if you don't want to settle down and have a long term relationship there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but don't be a jackass
about it either. In my experience most MGTOW are ANGRY (above all things), entitled, nearly completely incapable of self-awareness and utterly mired
in a cognitive dissonance so complete that they will never actually achieve any sort of self improvement.