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Thanks. In deducting from your response, this is something that doesn't rely on any computerization, correct?
My questions and suspicions with the OS has always been with the hijackers themselves. Who they were and why they were able to operate so freely
9/11 commission faults U.S. intelligence
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. intelligence gathering was fragmented and poorly coordinated before the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the 9/11 commission reported Wednesday, adding that it remains unclear how such crucial information is managed.
The report, examining the performance of the intelligence community, described a "loose collection" of intelligence agencies that often operated independently of one another with little communication or cooperation. And it faulted CIA Director George Tenet for not having a management strategy to battle terrorism before the 9/11 attacks.
9/11: Three Major Mistakes
The CIA's chief legal officer from 2001-2009 reflects on what we did wrong—and on the lessons we've learned.
Tenet admits 'mistakes'
WASHINGTON The director of central intelligence, George Tenet, testified Wednesday that the threat posed by Al Qaeda was passed along to senior policy makers in mid-2001, ‘‘even if the timing and method of attacks were not.’’
Tenet’s testimony before the panel was followed a few hours later by an abrupt reversal in which he corrected himself. The director had told one panel member, Timothy Roemer, a former Democratic congressman from Indiana, that while other CIA personnel had briefed President George W. Bush during summer 2001, he himself did not talk to the president that month.
But Wednesday afternoon, a CIA official said the director had been mis taken and had indeed briefed Bush that month, at his ranch in Texas on Aug. 17 and in Washington on Aug. 3. Nothing out of the ordinary was talked about, the official who corrected Tenet said. The month of August 2001 is significant, since it was then that Bush received a controversial briefing prepared by the CIA on domestic threats posed by Al Qaeda to the United States.
CIA admits 9/11 mistakes
Washington - CIA director George Tenet told the official inquiry into the September 11 attacks that US intelligence agencies had "made mistakes" before the devastating strikes.
"We made mistakes," he said in public, sworn testimony to the commission investigating the 2001 attacks that killed 3 000 people.
"The intelligence community had the right strategy and was making the right investments to position itself for the future against al-Qaeda," the head of the Central Intelligence Agency said.
"While we positioned ourselves very well with extensive human and technical penetrations, to facilitate the take-down of the Afghan sanctuary, we did not discern the specific nature of the plot," he said.
"Our failure to watch terrorists in a timely manner or the FBI's inability to find them in the narrow window at the time afforded them showed systemic weaknesses and the lack of redundancy."
Tenet, 51, became the CIA boss in 1997 under president Bill Clinton and kept the post under President George W Bush's administration.
C.I.A. Lays Out Errors It Made Before Sept. 11
WASHINGTON, Aug. 21 — A report released Tuesday by the Central Intelligence Agency includes new details of the agency’s missteps before the Sept. 11 attacks, outlining what the report says were failures to grasp the role being played by the terror mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and to assess fully the threats streaming into the C.I.A. in the summer of 2001.
Clues Alerted White House to Potential Attacks
Based on its own intelligence, the Israeli government provided "general" information to the United States in the second week of August that an Al Qaeda attack was imminent.
– French intelligence echoed the "general" information in the final week of August.
– Russian President Vladimir Putin has said publicly that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the United States last summer that suicide pilots were training for attacks on U.S. targets.
– Millennium bomber Ahmad Ressam testified in closed and open court trials relating to his Dec. 1999 arrest for trying to bring bomb-making materials across the Canadian border that attack plans, including hijackings and attacks on New York City targets, were ongoing.
FAA MOST RESPONSIBLE FOR 9-11
Despite a congressional panel investigating potential intelligence failures leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks releasing a report today that points to mistakes made by the CIA and FBI, an aviation security consultant says it is the Federal Aviation Administration that should take most of the blame for the tragedy.
Pre-9/11 Missteps By FBI Detailed
The inability to detect the Sept. 11, 2001, hijacking plot amounts to a "significant failure" by the FBI and was caused in large part by "widespread and longstanding deficiencies" in the way the agency handled terrorism and intelligence cases, according to a report released yesterday.
...Plus, unexplained reports of white jets at each location.
The White Jet
There was such a jet in the vicinity—a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft."—not 34,000 ft.
"They were in a descent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds. "The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it.
They pinpointed the location and then continued on." Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly.
But if you as a man of 46 years of experience says there's nothing suspicious about the direct routes, and it's something that a child could do, then I have to believe you.
The unexplained jets along with the precise flight path always made me think of possible remote hijacking.
originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: IwillbeHONEST
Buildings don't smash through themselves without an accelerant.
You might want to take a look at this. Verinage Demolition Method; No Explosives Required.
I don't want to get into the white jets (but you're wrong)
You just dismiss this as "intelligence blunders"? Talking about blunders in Afghanistan is changing the subject.
Also, the top sections of WTC 1 and 2 actually accelerated as they fell, which means there was little to no opposing force acting on them from the bottom section. That's impossible if the bottom sections were not blown out from under the top sections.
You said "The 'white Jet'" pertains to the crash site of United 93. There were reports that it had something to do with the downing of United 93, but let's take a look at the rest of the story." Yeah let's ....
On 11 September 2001, an aircraft closely resembling an E-4B was spotted and filmed orbiting the Washington D.C. area by news outlets and civilians, after the attack on the Pentagon.
In his book Black Ice, author Dan Verton identifies this aircraft as an E-4B taking part in an operational exercise, saying the exercise was canceled when the first plane struck the World Trade Center. According to air traffic control recordings and radar data, this E-4B call sign VENUS77 became airborne just before 9:44 am, circled north of the White House during its climb, and then tracked to the south of Washington DC where it held in a holding pattern.
As for Alhazmi & Almihdhar, how many times can someone "get lucky" before it becomes deliberate? At what point does it cross the line of a "blunder" and become suspicious of more? This rabbit hole is so deep, it would probably take pages to show you. It goes all the way back to the 80's, but really gets going around 1992. I will show you, and anyone reading this, the "blunders" later, but for now I hope you watch that YouTube clip and admit there's more to the story than you assumed.
Well, you said that my assertion to "white jets" pertained to "a white jet" near Flight 93. Then I showed you a CNN clip talking about another white jet in DC. That makes "white jets" not "white jet." Instead of realizing your error and admitting it, you just continue to roll on as if what you said was correct. It wasn't. And who is Dan Veron, and why does he get authority to tell me what no one else seems to know? Does he get access to private information about E-4B flights on 9/11? Does he have better inside sources than CNN?
9/11 Attack Warning From Russia
RUSSIA: Russian intelligence clearly warns the US several times that 25 or so terrorists, including suicide pilots, will attack the US, targeting "important buildings like the Pentagon"
August 2001 (D): Russian President Putin warns the US that suicide pilots are training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also later states, "We had clearly warned them" on several occasions, but they "did not pay the necessary attention." [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01]
A Russian newspaper on September 12, 2001 claims that "Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of these terrorist attacks.
But anyway, this is only side stepping major issues I am pointing out to you, and anyone else reading this thread, regarding Alhazmi & Almihdhar. My final paragraph in my previous response is an attempt to get back to your assertion that Alhazmi & Almihdhar just kind of got lost in Thailand due to "intelligence blunders." I told you I will point out the "blunders", as you put it, later. I will warn you though, these "blunders" are quite a list and will take a while to read them, but I'm sure you will just as a refresher of the information I'm sure you are already aware of.