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Don't you know who the Bin Ladens worked with? Does the BUSH family mean anything to you?
The only reason most people believe the official story is because it's THE OFFICIAL STORY.
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Wide-Eyes
Not only that, but inexperienced "pilots" who couldn't handle small planes at low knots, could guide 3 jumbo boeing planes perfectly into 3 buildings at a high rate of knots...
Question is; Who has been flooding the Truth Movement with tons of disinformation ,misinformation, and outright lies over the years?
originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: network dude
With so many cameras that could have gotten the shot, it's almost uncanny that not one DVR was able to produce a picture of the plane at any point.
Let's take a look here.
American 77 Pentagon Video
That is definitely a B-757. My Wing Commander was in the Pentagon when American 77 struck, and I have identified from photos, B-757 wreckage inside and outside the Pentagon.
I might add that while videos are helpful, they are not required to determine the cause of an airplane accident. That is what black boxes, voice recorders, radar data, and communication tapes are for. In fact, the majority of aircraft accidents are solved without the use of video cameras.
We have videos of American 11 and United 175 striking the WTC Towers, yet there are people claiming that no aircraft struck those buildings despite the fact that aircraft wreckage and remains of passengers and crew were recovered and identified.
Like the Official BS side of the story. So much disinformation led by shills over the years!
Deputy Chief Peter Haden
Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors.
It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
Chief Frank Fellini
We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. So for the next five or six hours we kept firefighters from working anywhere near that building, which included the whole north side of the World Trade Center complex.
FDNY Deputy Chief Harold Meyers
Chief Nigro directed me to continue monitoring conditions at the site. Specifically to monitor number 7 World Trade Center. We were very concerned with the collapse potential there, and to do whatever I could do to ensure site safety in that no additional people became injured. –
Captain Chris Boyle
Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.
Captain Anthony Varriale
Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe...that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did.
We made searches. We attempted to put some of the fire out, but we had a pressure problem. I forget the name of the Deputy. Some Deputy arrived at the scene and thought that the building was too dangerous to continue with operations, so we evacuated number 7 World Trade Center.
–Firefighter Eugene Kelty Jr
We made them evacuate and I went in the back to see what was happening. I went back and I reminded whoever the chief was, I don't know if it was Chief McKavanagh or Chief Blaich, that with 7 World Trade Center in danger of collapsing, you had to be careful, because Con Edison had big transformers in the back that supplied the lower half of Manhattan. So we had to be concerned about electricity, that this may be energized or not be energized.
originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Nova937
Like the Official BS side of the story. So much disinformation led by shills over the years!
Looking at the facts, the Truth Movement has been the major source of disinformation.
originally posted by: samkent
If someone proved one of your sticking points that has prevented you from accepting the OS would you change your mind about the entire conspiracy?
Lets say Joe Schmoe's son is going through his deceased fathers things and finds a camcorder.
So he charges and hits play.
The tape was shot in DC and out the hotel window is the Pentagon and it clearly shows the plane hitting.
More debris is found between NYC buildings.
Again a camcorder.
This time it was shot on one of the planes clearly showing the hijackers doing their thing.
Would evidence like this stop your conspiracy in it's tracks?
Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. Peer reviewed in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal.
In a review of Bentham Open for The Charleston Advisor, Jeffrey Beall noted that "in many cases, Bentham Open journals publish articles that no legitimate peer-review journal would accept, and unconventional and nonconformist ideas are being presented in some of them as legitimate science." He concluded by stating that "the site has exploited the Open Access model for its own financial motives and flooded scholarly communication with a flurry of low quality and questionable research.
Bentham Open journals claim to employ peer review; however, the fact that a fake paper generated with SCIgen had been accepted for publication, has cast doubt on this. Furthermore, the publisher is known for spamming scientists with invitations to become a member of the editorial boards of its journals.
Why are you even bothered??
You believe the os so why 14 years later you are still posting on a conspiracy forum
I find it very strange
Unfortunately, what I am left with here, is your word, and that same 5 frame grainy "video" that doesn't show a plane at all.
I fully grasp that lots of folks claim to have seen the bodies, and wreckage, and people lost friends there. I am sorry for any loss. But facts are facts, and in this case there aren't many.
There were several cameras on the front of the pentagon that may have been pointed in the correct direction. They were PTZ cameras, and their option was to look at a cement wall, 4 inches away, or the lawn. Now I can't say for sure that whomever was in charge of the DVR's at the pentagon wasn't a complete idiot, but seeing as how that building is a tad more important than the 7-11 across the street, and it's cameras were working fine, I'd guess that more footage exists, but we haven't' seen it yet.
It may well show the plane skimming inches off the ground, and making a distinct round hole in reinforced concrete, all while not making much mess at all when the engines hit the building. But until we see something showing a plane, there will always bee a few folks who just aren't ready to swallow 100% of the story.
American 77 Wreckage
American 77 Wheel
American 77 Engine Wreckage
American 77 Wing Flaps
American 77 Landing Gear Struct
American 77 Wing Tip
American 77 Wreckage
Two planes hit two towers, no argument. Two towers fell strangely, then a third. That's odd, but it could happen.
Then, in a completely different city, a plane skimmed inches from the ground, and made a perfectly round hole,6 walls deep, which seems a bit odd for what happened.
Then flight 93 seemed to disappear into a hole that was there previously. That's odd to say the least.
That hole was not there before and you will notice So we are left with almost everything about that day, being very odd, borderline not believable, yet when anyone questions it, we are made to feel as if we are nuts for even thinking about it. I'll let others decide how they put things together. For me, there are a few questions that remain, and I suspect will be there many years to come.
[size=]Text: United Airlines Statement on Plane Crashes
Following is a statement issued by United Airlines on the crash of Flight 93 near Pittsburgh and Flight 175 in a location that was not immediately disclosed:
United Airlines has now confirmed that two of its aircraft have crashed.
— UA 93, a Boeing 757 aircraft, departed from Newark, N.J. at 8:01 a.m. local time, bound for San Francisco, with 38 passengers on board, two pilots, five flight attendants.
— UA 175, a Boeing 767 aircraft, departed from Boston at 7:58 a.m. local time, bound for Los Angeles, with 56 passengers on board, two pilots and seven flight attendants.
2) 1700+ Engineers and Architects support a real independent 9/11 investigation. Richard Gage, Founder. ‘Explosive Evidence’, ‘Blueprint for Truth’, ‘AE911′, ‘Toronto Hearings’, ‘Kevin Ryan’.
Architects Shy From Trutherism
The AIA itself, however, is firm about its relationship with Gage. “We don’t have any relationship with his organization whatsoever,” Scott Frank, head of media relations for the AIA.
The Magzine of the American Institute of Architects
All of Gage’s so-called evidence has been rebutted in peer-reviewed papers, by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, by the National Institute for Standards and Technology, by the American Society of Civil Engineers, by the 9/11 Commission Report, and, perhaps most memorably, by the 110-year-old engineering journal Popular Mechanics.
American Society of Civil Engineers
Towers Weakened by Planes; Brought Down by Fire
WASHINGTON, D.C., MAY 1, 2002
Analysis by a team of 25 of the nation's leading structural and fire protection engineers suggests that the World Trade Center Towers could have remained standing indefinitely if fire had not overwhelmed the weakened structures, according to a report presented today at a hearing of the House Science Committee. That finding is significant, said W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., team lead for the ASCE/FEMA Building Performance Study Team, because extreme events of this type, resulting in such substantial damage, are generally not considered in building design, and the fact that these structures were able to successfully withstand such damage is noteworthy.
Civil & Structural Engineers on WTC Collapse
"The aircraft moved through the building as if it were a hot and fast lava flow," Sozen says. "Consequently, much of the fireproofing insulation was ripped off the structure. Even if all of the columns and girders had survived the impact - an unlikely event - the structure would fail as the result of a buckling of the columns. The heat from an ordinary office fire would suffice to soften and weaken the unprotected steel. Evaluation of the effects of the fire on the core column structure, with the insulation removed by the impact, showed that collapse would follow whatever the number of columns cut at the time of the impact."
There are 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report.
3) The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds).
Larry Silverstein used the term “Pull it”.
Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage.
Kader Toy Factory Fire
At about 4pm on May 10th, 1993, a small fire was discovered on the first floor of part of the E-shaped building. Workers were instructed to keep working as the fire was thought to be minor. The fire alarm in this building did not sound.
The building was reinforced with un-insulated steel girders which quickly weakened and collapsed. This part of the building was dedicated to the storage of finished products and the fire spread quickly. Other parts of the factory were full of raw materials which also burnt very fast.
Workers in the first building who tried to escape found the ground floor exit doors locked, and the stairwells soon collapsed. Many workers jumped from the second, third and fourth floor windows in order to escape the flames, resulting in severe injuries or death. Fire-fighters arrived at the factory at about 4:40pm, to find Building One about to collapse.
[size=4]The Kader buildings,...collapsed relatively early in the fire because their structural steel supports lacked the fireproofing that would have allowed them to maintain their strength when exposed to high temperatures. A post-fire review of the debris at the Kader site showed no indication that any of the steel members had been fireproofed.
Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. ‘Building 7′, ‘WTC 7′.
WTC 7 Impact Damage
So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.
4) Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 while running war games. ‘Stand down order’.
Death Ends 1,600-Mile Flight Of Learjet Stolen by Mechanic
DENVER, May 25— A flight mechanic who did not have a pilot's license stole a private jet in Virginia early today and flew it 1,600 miles to Denver, where he shot himself to death as the authorities closed
That just shows you accept any old website as fact.
keep flogging the Mainstream Official BS dead horse. Every link is from the best Propaganda and Shill sites!
“Flight 93″ debris was spread out over many miles.
Cheney admits to giving the order to shootdown 93. “shot down the plane over Pennsylvania”
9-11 Fighter Pilot: We Wouldn't Have Shot Down Hijackers
The pilot of one of two U.S. military jets that were scrambled on 9-11 moments after kamikaze hijacker Mohamed Atta slammed American Airlines Flight 11 into Tower One of the World Trade Center said Wednesday that he wouldn't have been able to stop the attack even if he intercepted the plane.
"If we had intercepted American 11, we probably would have watched it crash," the pilot, identified only by his military codename "Nasty," told the Cape Cod Times. "We didn't have the authority to (shoot it down)."
As part of the 102nd Fighter Wing flying out of Otis Air National Guard Base on Cape Cod, "Nasty" and his partner, codenamed "Duff," were scrambled at 8:46 a.m. as news of Flight 11's hijacking reached the base.
"We didn't suspect they would use kamikaze tactics that morning," the pilot told the Times. "We weren't ready for that type of an attack, to quickly shoot down one of our own airplanes."
At the time, military pilots had no such standing orders. Absent a presidential directive they had no authority to blow a commercial airliner out of the sky.
9/11 10th Anniversary: F-15 pilot Dan Nash recalls response
Controllers from the Northeast Air Defense Sector
would spot an aircraft on their radar and ask the pilots to investigate and steer it away from Manhattan’s airspace. Over a four-hour period, Nash and Duffy repeated the process for between 50 and 100 aircraft.
When the South Tower of the trade center fell at 9:59 a.m., Nash was flying east over Kennedy, escorting a small civilian airliner to a safe landing. “When we turned around,” he recalled, “Manhattan was covered with what I thought was smoke. But it was the dust from the collapsed tower.”
The pilots were over the North Tower when it collapsed at 10:28 a.m. From an altitude of 6,000 feet, according to Vittner’s report, Duffy watched the tower implode. Nash wasn’t looking down at the time; he only saw the aftermath. The plume of smoke and ash, he estimated, rose 5,000 feet above streets below.
113th Wing, Andrews AFB
"We've never been an air defense unit. We practice scrambles, we know how to do intercepts and other things, but there's a lot of protocol in the air defense business. We obviously didn't have that expertise...
Chief of Safety for the 113th Wing, Andrews AFB.
10:09 AM1 minute, 57 seconds
"The fighter pilots do not know if they have permission to shoot down planes. A commander tells them they do not. (Warning: profanity at the end of the clip)"
**** the code words, that’s perishable information. Negative clearance to fire, ID, type, tail. (they are only to identify the type and tail number of the plane).
In interviews with us, NEADS personnel expressed considerable confusion over the nature and effect of the order
The NEADS commander told us he did not pass along the order because he was unaware of its ramifications. Both the mission commander and the senior weapons director indicated they did not pass the order to the fighters circling Washington and New York because they were unsure how the pilots would, or should, proceed with this guidance.
...the Langley pilots did not know the threat they were facing, did not know where United 93 was located, and did not have shoot-down authorization before United 93 crashed.
Rumsfeld, “nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there” ‘Chris Konicki.
“Not a drop of blood” Coroner Wallace Miller. “there was no plane.” Mayor Ernie Stull.
Oh yeah that guy. Said he saw loads of bodies after he said for at least 4 times prior there were no bodies and no plane wreckage! Did he decide to change his glasses? Or just his testimony after being told to.