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the god i now believe exists because of your thread is certainly no god i will ever follow.
seems like a mean, spiteful, jerk to me
originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Mugly
Thing is I wonder why the religious are trying so hard to justify their club.
Here is me thinking they had faith.
If they did they wouldn't need to argue for their religion would they?.
originally posted by: mOjOm
Because when you are told to believe that something is perfect and without blemish .
The Crusades were military campaigns sanctioned by the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages. Pope Urban II proclaimed the First Crusade in 1091 with the stated goal of restoring Christian access to the Holy Land leading to an intermittent 200-year struggle
Hundreds of thousands Roman Catholic Christians became crusaders by taking a public vow and receiving plenary indulgences from the church.[3][4] Crusaders were from all over Western Europe and from all classes under feudal rather than unified command structure. The politics were complicated and led to intra-faith competition and inter-faith alliances between combatants of different faiths against their coreligionists
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
@ Mugly
Your attitude is the driving force of rationalized atheism.
Here is the process:
1) People don't like religion, they see what it has done for millenniums and it's been generally a negative force for humanity as a whole.
2)People just disagree with the way God has done things, from judgement of cultures and people to allowing certain things during ancient times, to sacrifices.
3) Timeline to fix the problems has been way too long.
4) He has allowed way too much evil, see the atrocities of the 20th century.
5) A search begins to discredit his word the Bible, and there is plenty to find.
6) Science seems to disprove the Bible at every turn
7) Agnosticism sets in.
8) Finally with all this negativity and confirmation bias the inevitable happens... atheism.
Thus the thought process ends with there is no creator, it is actually a logical conclusion given what is seen on the surface. People need to dig way deeper into the "WHY?" but they don't ever bother too, it's just easier to not be accountable after being ping ponged around mentally and emotionally by those points.
Thus the thought process ends with there is no creator, it is actually a logical conclusion given what is seen on the surface. People need to dig way deeper into the "WHY?" but they don't ever bother too, it's just easier to not be accountable after being ping ponged around mentally and emotionally by those points.
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Digging deeper gives a rebuttal to the points mentioned, in talking to people face to face on these very points sometimes they accept them and other times they don't. One fellow I had a deep and long discussion with said it doesn't matter either way because even if God existed, I disagree with everything he has done and is doing. Once you hit that level what is the point of even asking why? ....and some atheists are there already.
originally posted by: 5StarOracle
All order is representative of creation by the confines of its constructs...
not the randomness or chaos you would see from evolution or a diff means of creation...
I do not feel I am in agreement with you on scientific law...
Govern
To hold in check, control...
You are rather silly...
furthermore Hindus believe in creation and they believe it started with the sound of "AUM"
I said earlier the universe was not thought into creation it was spoke into creation...
Next idiot please...
originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Mugly
Thing is I wonder why the religious are trying so hard to justify their club.
Here is me thinking they had faith.
If they did they wouldn't need to argue for their religion would they?.
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: Subnatural
P.S: If he forced Saul and Paul to come to him then he took away that much touted free will, didn't he?
You do realize they are the same person right ?
That his encounter directly with Jesus Christ changed his world view, he freely did this when the evidence was so overwhelming he could no longer deny it to himself any longer. Granted he already did believe in God and a creator
But he went from viscously persecuting those with the truth of reality, to their biggest and strongest supporter.
Just for fun I wish Jesus would do that to every atheist member on ATS one day, that would be a blast.
It will never happen, but it would be awesome if it did. I would love to see the posts here the next day.
Both beliefs are based on faith alone because we have no proof... none whatsoever, that God exists or does not.
In inferential statistics the null hypothesis usually refers to a general statement or default position that there is no relationship between two measured phenomena, or no difference among groups. Rejecting or disproving the null hypothesis—and thus concluding that there are grounds for believing that there is a relationship between two phenomena (e.g. that a potential treatment has a measurable effect)—is a central task in the modern practice of science, and gives a precise sense in which a claim is capable of being proven false.
proof? no. but thats not to say there isnt a hell (giggle) of a case to be made.
originally posted by: redoubt
a reply to: TzarChasm
proof? no. but thats not to say there isnt a hell (giggle) of a case to be made.
Indeed. A helluva case to be made someday... but, in our lifetimes? As the current trends to selfies-imposed imprisonment is going?
Yeah... that IS worth a giggle :p
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
2 Timothy 3:16
Every Scripture passage is inspired by God. All of them are useful for teaching, pointing out errors, correcting people, and training them for a life that has God's approval.