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Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a Creator to the universe. Come debate me.

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posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: DeadSeraph

His turn to... what, exactly?

OP's opening statement is riddled with fallacious logic that has yet still to be addressed.

I think we can safely chalk this thread up as yet another ill conceived, sloppily formed argument from a true believer to rationalize their faith. Sounds good to the choir, not so much for everyone else.




posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: DeadSeraph
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the 1st page comment with the most stars:




Honestly, reading that made my physically ill. I love how you assume so much of people. I'm glad you have a relationship with your "creator" and I'm glad it gets you by, but I find your sentiments delusional and scary. The universe was created by my anus.


BE PROUD, ATS. BE PROUD.


Well I'm wondering if he wiped afterwards
and washed up. Cleanliness is next to
godliness you know.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:27 AM
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originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: DeadSeraph

His turn to... what, exactly?

OP's opening statement is riddled with fallacious logic that has yet still to be addressed.

I think we can safely chalk this thread up as yet another ill conceived, sloppily formed argument from a true believer to rationalize their faith. Sounds good to the choir, not so much for everyone else.


I like to mix it up and try to salvage threads like these from time to time. But you are absolutely correct about some of the fallacious logic.

I'll bow out. It's been fun talking with you all



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: amazing
So I've had several experiences with a Psychic lately. Near 100% accuracy. Not coincidence. Leading me to believe that there must be some type of real psychic ability and there must be a spirit world. That tends to reinforce my belief of a creator.


So 1 + 1 = 34?

No offense, but "spirit world" and "psychic ability" have nothing to do with the possibility of god existing, even if both are true.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by:christopher.eugene

The universe was created by my anus.


Hereric!

The universe was created by my anus not your anus!




posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: Prezbo369

KILL THE NON-BELIEVERS!!!



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:47 AM
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originally posted by: arimass101
The answer is bias. A persons intellect is distorted by his desires, preconceived notions, and society.


Then there are people like me, who grew up very religious and didn't "find" atheism until I was about twenty--I did so through much "soul searching," research, and subjective reading of the bible and other religious documents.

Seems that, if your theory were correct, my bias would have stopped that from happening, no?

Also, "god" supposedly gave us humans free will, so we already are capable of doing as we please.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
Something is not Created without a CREATOR to Create it.
As is not nothing Created without a CREATOR...
Unless something Created itself from nothing, as the CREATOR.

NAMASTE*******



- What IS a Creator?



The who Created us ALL*


originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Some intelligent being, with intention and intuition, this would be my idea of a creator.


Subjective data acknowledged...
To 1 THE CREATOR is primary sentience ALPHA intelligence or intelligence on ALL* from beginning.
Can be inorganic and organic when required to be, or requested by the Created.
And so can come in direct contact with less AWARE advanced Created forms as GOD SENDS or Higher Advanced Created intelligences "Entities and or Beings" forms that can Manage - Guide - Oversee the less aware-endangered (due to lack of knowledge) or even immature in Creation.
To assist in their development advancement growth, Physically - Consciously - AND SPIRITUALLY...



originally posted by: ManFromEurope
- What would a creator without boundaries (endless materials, endless space, endless time) create?


Creations of many physical-metaphysical variety and many inhabitable physical-metaphysical zones for them to LEARN within, as they encounter 1 another during their phases of life and death within AN Eternal EXISTENCE...


originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Anything.


Subjective data accepted



originally posted by: ManFromEurope
- What would a creator with boundaries create?


Un-confirmed- for how can the who has ALPHA Intelligence on ALL* from the beginning, as well as OMEGA intelligence on all potential ending of boundaries THE Created, have boundaries UNLESS THE SET THEM THYSELF?


originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Something which fulfills a purpose.


Accepted...



originally posted by: ManFromEurope
What is the purpose of something completely purposeless, like a single speck of dust, a billion lightyears away?

That speck of "dust" captures your attention, in turn causing you the SPARK to look and as you look and even come to doubtful crossroads due to physical distance YOUR inorganic MIND is still thinking, which eventually causes you to want to look further into that speck of dust, which then begins your mind to explore and as you seek to explore you begin to lose some doubt, as the doubt is lost you begin to send techs to LEARN, as your techs reach dust a billion light-years away physically, you forgot that your consciousness metaphysically was ALREADY THERE
from the point you noticed that small speck of dust which turned out to be a planet with the more you Learned...




originally posted by: ManFromEurope
We can't detect it, we are not influenced by it in any way, we will never be able to visit this little piece of dust.


Your mind influenced by it that little piece "dust" already has begun the exploration process

Perhaps your Astral-Ethereal Soul body can too. If you believe you have one


NAMASTE*******



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: arimass101
Over the years I came to the conclusion that the knowledge that there exists a creator to the world (with all the details below. Scroll down to see what I mean) is extremely simple and any thinking human whose brain is functioning normally will come to that very conclusion.

The obvious question is why does such a large quantity of people in the world, so many people of all generations among them genius minds of big scientists and philosophers deny that fact?

The answer is bias. A persons intellect is distorted by his desires, preconceived notions, and society. The knowledge that there exists a creator to the world threatens a persons comfort and desires because if there is a creator then he must a purpose for his creation, which might include things required of a person that threatens his comfort. A person does not like to do things that are uncomfortable to him, refrain for doing as he pleases, or be looked upon as unusual from his society. So a person tries to find all kinds of things illogical as they may be to rely upon so he can have a clear conscious while continuing to do as he desires. Many people don't even think for themselves they just blindly follow the herd of people of who are influenced by those big bias leaders of thought. Only an unbiased person who's only purpose is to find the truth no matter how uncomfortable it may be can see the clear truth that shouts itself out to the world.

Now this this knowledge is best found by contemplating to root question which is the following and nothing else. All other subjects such as morality, religion, and so forth can only be discussed after this root question is answered: Either the universe had a creator or the universe had always existed. Which is more logical? This question will lead the truly unbiased person to the inevitable truth of the existence of a creator with the following conclusions:


There exists a being, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time he desired. He sustains them as long as he so desires, and rules over them with complete authority. This Being is perfect in every way, having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.

Gods existence is absolutely without beginning or end. That is, He did not pass from nonexistence into existence, and will absolutely never pass into nonexistence. He therefore always was, and always will be, and it is impossible for him to cease to exist.

God is the cause of all that is, but He himself is not the result of any cause. Rather, His existence is necessary, intrinsic to his nature. He has absolutely no structure, nor does He have any element of multiplicity. Rather, He is structureless and ultimately simple. Nothing that applies to the physical relates to God at all. He is divorced from any boundary or limit, from every association, and from every natural law.

The true essence and nature of God cannot be grasped at all. It has no analogy, neither with any concept that exists among created things, nor with any idea that the imagination can conceive or the intellect comprehend. There are no words or descriptions which are truly fitting and proper to use in relation to God.

When we speak of God, we make use of words, but we do so only in borrowed or metaphorical terms, so that we should understand what we must regarding Him. Our vocabulary contains only words pertaining to natural concepts, bound by the limitations of created things, and it it
therefore impossible for us to say anything at all without these words. But all who seek God and speak about Him must clearly realize that any descriptions or words used in relation to God do not truly relate to Him. They can apply only as borrowed terms, and in no other sense.

Lets together debate the existence of god from the the question that I wrote above: "Either the universe had a creator or the universe had always existed. Which is more logical?"

Edit/Update:

let me expand a bit more on the question from one of my replies:


How could something physical and limited exist without there being a cause for its existence? Yet how could there be a god if no body created him? Both dont make a lot of sense but you have to agree that these are the only two possibilities. What makes more sense? Limited quantity of existence that always existed without anything limiting its quantity of existence, existing without anything making it exist, and eventually developing and changing itself from simple into being more complex or that there exists an unlimited creator whose above any physicality and time who brought limited existence from non existence and makes the entire creation exist?


Shall we begin?



Who created god? if god created the universe and all in it, then where did god come from? did he just magically appear from nothingness? if god had a creator does this then mean that "god" isnt "god" but in fact his creator is?but then who created that creator? is it a "god" inception??



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:19 AM
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Life itself and the very argument that God exist or does not exist is the evidence of God.The universe is the evidence of God.Faith is the evidence of God.
Atheist like to pretend there is no credbilty behind God being real.Instead they turn it into show me your God with a pohotograh.When they can stare at all the universe and all that is made up and eveytthing we do is the credibilty of evidence that God exist.
The want evidence that is phoney evidence and irrational questions for evidence of God.That is more proof of evidence of God.

Why,because Jesus Christ told us to have Faith in God and Him.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: kellyjay




posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: DeadSeraph

His turn to... what, exactly?

OP's opening statement is riddled with fallacious logic that has yet still to be addressed.

I think we can safely chalk this thread up as yet another ill conceived, sloppily formed argument from a true believer to rationalize their faith. Sounds good to the choir, not so much for everyone else.


I like to mix it up and try to salvage threads like these from time to time. But you are absolutely correct about some of the fallacious logic.

I'll bow out. It's been fun talking with you all


Given your posting history, I'm not at all surprised your salvaging attempts has the opposite effect. Profanity doesn't help, for starters. "# you OP!" Such language from a man of faith (or woman, as it may be). I seem to recall you being at the helm of a thread very similar to this one. Ended about the same way too.
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posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: Jobeycool

What I can take from what you are saying here is "god is nothing".


Why,because Jesus Christ told us to have Faith in God and Him.


And what if Jesus Christ was a liar? Have you ever considered that?
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posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: DeadSeraph

His turn to... what, exactly?

OP's opening statement is riddled with fallacious logic that has yet still to be addressed.

I think we can safely chalk this thread up as yet another ill conceived, sloppily formed argument from a true believer to rationalize their faith. Sounds good to the choir, not so much for everyone else.


I like to mix it up and try to salvage threads like these from time to time. But you are absolutely correct about some of the fallacious logic.

I'll bow out. It's been fun talking with you all


You say that like you don't have a history of doing the same exact stuff. Bark, little doggie, bark...


Wanna spar, champ?



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Jobeycool

What I can take from what you are saying here is "god is nothing".


Why,because Jesus Christ told us to have Faith in God and Him.


And what if Jesus Christ was a liar? Have you ever considered that?


Anyone can say that? I can say what if Jesus is a liar.What if He is not a liar.Bogus questions that have nothing to do with the credibilty of what Jesus was trying to prove with His ministry and teachings.Jesus proves with His own actions that you have to accept faith to believe in God.You cannot show God with telescopes or photographs,how many times does it have to be told.Which is why you atheist can become so irrational with the bible.
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posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear


Cleanliness is next to
godliness you know.


God that made me laugh



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: DeadSeraph

His turn to... what, exactly?

OP's opening statement is riddled with fallacious logic that has yet still to be addressed.

I think we can safely chalk this thread up as yet another ill conceived, sloppily formed argument from a true believer to rationalize their faith. Sounds good to the choir, not so much for everyone else.


I like to mix it up and try to salvage threads like these from time to time. But you are absolutely correct about some of the fallacious logic.

I'll bow out. It's been fun talking with you all


You say that like you don't have a history of doing the same exact stuff. Bark, little doggie, bark...


Wanna spar, champ?


Ah, so you are bored. K then.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: TheCretinHop
What about the scientific fact that non-living matter can not spontaneously generate from non-living matter?

a reply to: rickymouse



Simple life can be formed from the assembly of chemicals, but it cannot form the things we see on this planet. The set of instructions, or DNA and RNA would need something to structure it. Evolution is real but the creation of life and the conditions for this DNA to form would tend to tell me that something is steering all of this. God is the word. A word is a set of frequencies or structured energy. So god would be this word. A set of frequencies that interacts with DNA to form life. Can all of this be chance? I don't think so.

Even if we live within a big holograph within a super computer of some sort, the computer exists and there is something that created it. If we disturb this frequency on this planet too much we may die off or evolve into a different creature. We can do it with all the technology we have created and we are destroying the natural buffering plants and trees and creating more chaos. We are messing things up. We are destroying our garden of eden.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: TheCretinHop
What about the scientific fact that non-living matter can not spontaneously generate from non-living matter?

a reply to: rickymouse



Simple life can be formed from the assembly of chemicals, but it cannot form the things we see on this planet.


Bold claim. Evidence to back it up?



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: DeadSeraph

His turn to... what, exactly?

OP's opening statement is riddled with fallacious logic that has yet still to be addressed.

I think we can safely chalk this thread up as yet another ill conceived, sloppily formed argument from a true believer to rationalize their faith. Sounds good to the choir, not so much for everyone else.


I like to mix it up and try to salvage threads like these from time to time. But you are absolutely correct about some of the fallacious logic.

I'll bow out. It's been fun talking with you all


You say that like you don't have a history of doing the same exact stuff. Bark, little doggie, bark...


Wanna spar, champ?


Ah, so you are bored. K then.


Yes, I am. Or I wouldn't be talking to the likes of you. Care to back up your claims? Would you like to pick a subject and start a new thread?



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