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Is Conservatism a Mental Illness?

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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Liquesence

Again, I don't think you know as much about conservatives as you've been told.



I know what I see. Daily. On a massive scale.

And I also know my entire family is rabid conservative.

Hence, I know what I see, not what people tell me.


I could tell you about some of the things I see from liberals, daily, on a massive scale too. Do you know why I ask if people are going to be there marching me and mine to the trains someday? It's prompted by what I see from them.


Oh yes, the whole "marching to the trains for a free ride to the Hillary camps." Get real.
Good night.


You were the one who tarred and feathered conservatives with the brand of online ugliness. I mentioned what I did because I was pointing out that liberals are equally ugly.

You cannot take a moral high ground on that score.




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: ketsuko

They were intellectuals, and revered things like science. You are trying to estimate how they would act if you transported them into today.

You need to be thinking how they would react if they were RAISED into today's world.


Ah well, then we ought to estimate how YOU would be if you were raised in that world.

No one is the same person in that sense, and the Founders wouldn't be the Founders. So what you're saying makes no sense at all. Of course, if Mohammad had been born in downtown Queens and raised by two aging hippies he likely would not have gone on to found the religion he did.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: beezzer

Republicans are progressive liberal socialists?


Many/most are.

Though I'd say they are spineless cowards and hypocrites.

They certainly aren't conservative.



We agree again.

We've got to do better than this.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: beezzer

Republicans are progressive liberal socialists?


Many/most are.

Though I'd say they are spineless cowards and hypocrites.

They certainly aren't conservative.



We agree again.

We've got to do better than this.


You don't want to agree with me.

(I've been told I have a mental illness)




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Liquesence

Again, I don't think you know as much about conservatives as you've been told.



I know what I see. Daily. On a massive scale.

And I also know my entire family is rabid conservative.

Hence, I know what I see, not what people tell me.


I could tell you about some of the things I see from liberals, daily, on a massive scale too. Do you know why I ask if people are going to be there marching me and mine to the trains someday? It's prompted by what I see from them.


Oh yes, the whole "marching to the trains for a free ride to the Hillary camps." Get real.
Good night.


You were the one who tarred and feathered conservatives with the brand of online ugliness. I mentioned what I did because I was pointing out that liberals are equally ugly.

You cannot take a moral high ground on that score.


This fact has never kept you from taking the moral high ground in whatever you post.

Besides that, how childish. "Don't play with your excrement, Mary!" ... "But Mom, Johnny was doing it too!"

/boyiwishwehadaneyeroll



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: beezzer

Republicans are progressive liberal socialists?


Many/most are.

Though I'd say they are spineless cowards and hypocrites.

They certainly aren't conservative.



We agree again.

We've got to do better than this.


You don't want to agree with me.

(I've been told I have a mental illness)



Yeah, there's been plenty of threads about liberals having mental illnesses too, and posts, and etc. etc.

Don't let it get you down. In the end, we are who we are.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:07 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Liquesence

Again, I don't think you know as much about conservatives as you've been told.



I know what I see. Daily. On a massive scale.

And I also know my entire family is rabid conservative.

Hence, I know what I see, not what people tell me.


I could tell you about some of the things I see from liberals, daily, on a massive scale too. Do you know why I ask if people are going to be there marching me and mine to the trains someday? It's prompted by what I see from them.


Oh yes, the whole "marching to the trains for a free ride to the Hillary camps." Get real.
Good night.


You were the one who tarred and feathered conservatives with the brand of online ugliness. I mentioned what I did because I was pointing out that liberals are equally ugly.

You cannot take a moral high ground on that score.


And I agreed with you to an extent about liberals.

But I also said that there are differences, vast differences, some of which Mystik helped lay out.

And I'm not taking any ground, I'm going to bed.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:29 PM
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Perhaps extremism is a "mental illness"?

Whatever the reasoning or framework for said extremism?



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Liberals = greater good

Conservatives = my good

The conservative mindset works exceptionally well in smaller communities where resources are gathered and consumed locally.

In a global economy, everyone becomes inextricably tied together. People that will never meet are now dependent upon one another to do their jobs so that a product can make it across the ocean and into your hands. If the slave laborers in China are dying of dysentery -- the Nike shoe shipment will be late. If the shipment is late, Bloomingdales will loose sale revenue. If Bloomingdales posts a loss, investors might flee and the department store might have to lay off employees.

We're all tied together now in ways we don't even realize. Wanting all of us to do better, be better helps raise us all and reach more of our potential.


Damn you're good!



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 11:12 PM
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originally posted by: bananashooter
Is being on the fence a mental illness?
Nope, they're the only sane ones there are politically speaking. Just being honest.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 11:30 PM
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Same as greed! Sickness of the conservative kind!



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Liquesence

Again, I don't think you know as much about conservatives as you've been told.



I know what I see. Daily. On a massive scale.

And I also know my entire family is rabid conservative.

Hence, I know what I see, not what people tell me.


I could tell you about some of the things I see from liberals, daily, on a massive scale too. Do you know why I ask if people are going to be there marching me and mine to the trains someday? It's prompted by what I see from them.


Oh yes, the whole "marching to the trains for a free ride to the Hillary camps." Get real.
Good night.


You were the one who tarred and feathered conservatives with the brand of online ugliness. I mentioned what I did because I was pointing out that liberals are equally ugly.

You cannot take a moral high ground on that score.


And I agreed with you to an extent about liberals.

But I also said that there are differences, vast differences, some of which Mystik helped lay out.

And I'm not taking any ground, I'm going to bed.


I thought you went to bed several posts ago. However, the covers came off, and I can see that you do indeed blame us for everything.

I don't blame you for everything. I'm not sure where the blame lies or even if there is anywhere to truly place the blame. There is a big difference. I only pointed out that somewhere along the line it happened.

I also noticed you only referenced an 8 year timeframe. I've been paying attention for a lot longer than 8 years. It's been going on for a LOT longer than 8 years. It goes on longer than I've been paying attention which is why I say what I say. I don't know where the blame lies or if there is a blame to place, and if we're looking at something so far back ... should we even try to assign blame in the first place or should we start working at letting THAT part of it go by now? I'm middle aged and it's been going on longer than I've been alive to be aware.

At what point do you start saying enough already with the blame? History may not even tell us.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 07:16 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Liquesence

Again, I don't think you know as much about conservatives as you've been told.



I know what I see. Daily. On a massive scale.

And I also know my entire family is rabid conservative.

Hence, I know what I see, not what people tell me.


I could tell you about some of the things I see from liberals, daily, on a massive scale too. Do you know why I ask if people are going to be there marching me and mine to the trains someday? It's prompted by what I see from them.


Oh yes, the whole "marching to the trains for a free ride to the Hillary camps." Get real.
Good night.


You were the one who tarred and feathered conservatives with the brand of online ugliness. I mentioned what I did because I was pointing out that liberals are equally ugly.

You cannot take a moral high ground on that score.


This fact has never kept you from taking the moral high ground in whatever you post.

Besides that, how childish. "Don't play with your excrement, Mary!" ... "But Mom, Johnny was doing it too!"

/boyiwishwehadaneyeroll


*yawn*

You bore me.

If we're talking about religion or those kinds of issues, then talking about morality is kind of implicit. Whether or not I assign those specific morals to myself is another story.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: artnut

Our founding fathers were quite "liberal" for their day and age. They were very forward-thinking and progressive compared to their contemporaries. They would have been considered "liberal" in their day by the establishment.


And when they were liberal, their definition was in agreement with that of (classical) liberalism.

What some are now are calling 'conservative'.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 07:54 AM
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Conservatism isn't a mental illness. However, a lot of conservatives I know today definitely qualify as mentally ill. It is because many also have jumped off to the extreme end of the political spectrum on the right. But this isn't limited to just conservatism. Anyone who has ever talked to (or attempted to talk to) to a hard leftist on the far end of the left spectrum knows that they, too, are a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic.

The difference, at least to me, is in numbers. Most liberals I know hang out center left to moderate, with very few straying into far left territory. By contrast, more and more conservatives seem to be jumping off the far right deep end, with few remaining in the center-right sanity zone. Hence, they seem crazier. But I still know a few sane conservatives, although due to the current madness on the right, they tend to vote independent or Libertarian now.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:16 AM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Liquesence

If you're comfortable in your ideology, does it matter what someone else calls you?


Iv'e been called a "people like you" for so long that I don't even know where I reside ideologically.....but I prefer to stay away from the crybabies.




edit on 3-8-2015 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: Liquesence

I have read up to page 5 on this thread and amazed by the responses. Some observations:

The comments I have seen:
- attacks on the messenger, not the message
- “dog whistles” - ie Ivory tower,  big city Liberal governments,
- anti intellectual statements
- ad hominum attacks
- attacks unrelated the the OP – What do Bush and Obama have to do with the specifics of this study other than being perceived as opposite ends of the continuum or political spectrum?
- comments that divert attention and seek to dismiss the information in the study – ie this does not matter, it is all part of the 2 party system, etc...
- attacks on other posters

What about debating the science of the claim?

Rather than automatically rejecting/accepting the study on emotional terms, why not have a discussion about the study?

I think understanding the critiquing the assumptions and methodology of the study would actually be much more helpful than degrading into entrenched positions.

I am now sorry I wasted my time reading through most of these comments.
edit on 3-8-2015 by olbe66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Liberals = greater good

Conservatives = my good

The conservative mindset works exceptionally well in smaller communities where resources are gathered and consumed locally.

In a global economy, everyone becomes inextricably tied together. People that will never meet are now dependent upon one another to do their jobs so that a product can make it across the ocean and into your hands. If the slave laborers in China are dying of dysentery -- the Nike shoe shipment will be late. If the shipment is late, Bloomingdales will loose sale revenue. If Bloomingdales posts a loss, investors might flee and the department store might have to lay off employees.

We're all tied together now in ways we don't even realize. Wanting all of us to do better, be better helps raise us all and reach more of our potential.


My good is the greater good.

Because that is the way nature is.

Firstly, only I can know what I want and the best way for me to get it at any given time. There is no system in can know everything that all of its subjects know in real time. Hayek called this the Pretense of Knowledge by the central planners.

Secondly, motivation is part of every human action. Without motivation, there will be less action. The government gets a paycheck whether it gets the job done or not. Government employees have the least amount of motivation to do anything successfully.

These points may sound weak but consider that without the Progressive Mega State the economy would have produced and distributed, to everyone, 20 times the wealth we have now. Think about WW1, WW2 and the Cold War, The Russian Bolshevik Revolution and the Red Chinese Revolution, The Great Depression and the Bankster Bailout -- All of these occurrences needed Progressive Central State Government to happen and to be paid for.

All of that wealth would have made charity easy and would also have supplied lots of care free time for enjoying and improving civilization by everyone.

Someday socialists will be prosecuted as war criminals.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 10:54 AM
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Ill probably be worried about those that watch Fox news, cleaning their gun to shoot the next target laid out by Fox.




posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Liquesence

If you're comfortable in your ideology, does it matter what someone else calls you?


I think people should respect both sides.



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