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Is Conservatism a Mental Illness?

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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: LeoStarchild
a reply to: Liquesence

Sharpton: A cheat is a cheat.. so yea.

I don't believe illegals pay that much...why would they? And I wasn't referring to gays, I was referring to white v black. In the same token: Gays will try to destroy a company who doesn't wish to serve them based on belief. The action of them trying to destroy is in my eyes the first stone.. when they can just walk on to another business.

Gotta leave for now


What you "believe" is not necessarily reflective of reality.

That's such BS. One could say the same for blacks when they were discriminated against. "Well, they could just go into a black friendly business instead of create a ruckus about CIVIL RIGHTS." And yeah, it *is* a first stone: toward equality.

My god, do you honestly believe what you just said?




posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Right. It was a "permutation." Okay.


I don't know anyone on "The Left" then, as you describe it.

I don't believe that any government can solve every problem, and I particularly don't believe that the government should do anything beyond its very clearly defined Constitutional charges (accepting that there are advances in technology and changing times, of course).

No one I know (and I know a lot of liberals, Democrats and even a few Progressives and actual Socialists) believes anything like that either.

The ONLY people I have heard saying that line are those who describe themselves as right-wing, conservatives or Republicans.

To me then, it's logical that they came up with the idea.

Your Left sounds more like the ficticious Illuminati than anything I know to be true in real life.

Your Left sounds like some arcane cabal secretly controlling the world all around you.

My goodness, no wonder if many people really believe that, so many are so frightened and angry.

No, no tax is based on the idea that "the government" can take whatever it wants to.

You even worked in 1776! LOL ... good job! I bet you were wearing your tri-corn hat and waving a little Gadsden flag while writing it.

Income tax is an American thing. Reference the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution.
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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: pyramid head

Very well, but I'd like for you to comment on the rest of my post. Even if what you say is true, the direction your argument takes is illogical.


Here's rand's explanation

rand on isis

Notice Crowley doesn't challenge his statement...

Here he is again on the floor in DC

rand blasts admin

This is just one example, there are plenty of whistleblowers and journalists who say the same thing.

My point is logical and correct. The majority of leftist are quick to point out that the conservatives are anti gay, but remain silent on Obama funding Isis. How can you be a champion of gay rights and remain silent while the presidents proxy army is throwing gays from rooftops? is it not hypocritical to blasts conservatives while the leader of the left is funding actual murder?

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posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 03:21 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Looking at different areas separately based on which party is in power at the particular state/city does not give any actual data on the effectiveness of the policies due to the fact that there are open borders in USA - if a company does not like the tax policies f the particular region or when the costs go higher, it is easy to relocate their business to other cheaper area... The only that actually would give more data on the effectiveness of the policies is federal law.

Same applies to gun policies. If a particular state decides for stronger gun laws, it is pointless and extremely ineffective as long as anyone can enter the region while having a gun with them. It is as if banning selling something in one street, while anyone can get it from the next street. The only way gun free zone or strong gun laws would work is if every illegal gun on the streets is confiscated and every person entering the area would be searched through so they would not be able to smuggle a gun in. That is the main reason why generally the gun policies in Europe work very well and the gun crimes are minimal compared to USA.

In a situation where relocating or getting access to something is as easy as it is in USA, being based on state laws, n particular law or policy can make significant influence on the particular area and can often backfire, making it seem as if the particular policy would not work anywhere, while the actual problem lies in how it is implemented, which is flawed from the beginning due to previously mentioned reasons.



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: Cabin

The actual time-tested results speak for themselves.




posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Cabin

The actual time-tested results speak for themselves.





You mean like Mississippi and Louisiana?

I agree. Interesting note, they also take in far more from the Federal government than they pay in taxes.

So, to recap, the poorest states taking the greatest amount of "Federal nanny state funds" to survive (and still manage to be the poorest two states out of 50) still routinely elect the party (Republican) that keeps them poor and lies about its own attraction to "the welfare state."

Thanks for bringing that up!
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posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: xuenchen

You mean like Mississippi and Louisiana?



Yes.

I bet the "problems" lie in the "non-Conservative" voting pockets.

Not easy to handle.

I will find some maps that show some strange coincidences.

And all that "extra" assistance proves the "Conservatives" in some power circles are helping.

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added maps for comparison....

Vote Map

Poverty Map


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posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: xuenchen

You mean like Mississippi and Louisiana?



Yes.

I bet the "problems" lie in the "non-Conservative" voting pockets.

Not easy to handle.

I will find some maps that show some strange coincidences.

And all that "extra" assistance proves the "Conservatives" in some power circles are helping.

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added maps for comparison....

Vote Map

Poverty Map



Let's see what your maps tell us ... that Mississippi, a State historically known for its racism, creates an environment where Blacks have markedly less opportunities than whites?

Makes perfect sense.

That the poverty rate in what you're trying to portray as the "good sections of town" is still averaging around 30%?

How about this? What if we looked at something besides the Presidential Race of 2012 for a map eh?

Here's a very informative study by a group of smart kids at Duke University:

Duke Study

If you scroll down a bit, based on that map (which is a lot more indicative of party distribution than the Presidential Race of 2012) you'll find that several of the Blackest (and coincidentally, poorest) areas of western Mississippi are also among the Reddest (that means Republican).

And, if you want to crow about a Republican 30% poverty rate, you really really need to check yourself.



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

But the "racism" started when Democrats ruled.

And the problems apparently still reign where Democrats win local elections.

I don't understand.




posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

The same logic can be placed on your beliefs.
Your view of things is not reflective of reality; That being, that the left ideology is the majority. That is the flaw with the left mindset; That your way of thinking is the only 'right' way.

My statement about discrimination is that it is not paid any attention when the racism is being directed toward white people.

Democrats have a huge problem with damning everyone of the faults they have. Sneaky guys and gals are good at that.

I would like to also add that I do not consider myself as part of either the left nor right. I am for Common sense, which is severely lacking in this country.
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posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

But the "racism" started when Democrats ruled.

And the problems apparently still reign where Democrats win local elections.

I don't understand.




Yeah, Southern Democrats, Dixiecrats ... you know, the ones who now vote solid Republican after the Civil Rights Acts were passed and they were "betrayed" by the Democratic Party?

You're proving my point.

Two of the highest concentrations of Republicans are smack dab in the middle of your "poorest areas."

And the rest of the state (that you tried to portray as Republican or "the good side") still has over 30% poverty.

What's not to get?



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Then who were the current Democrats way back then?




posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

Then who were the current Democrats way back then?



Off-topic.

Answer: Democrats



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 05:53 PM
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are you guys all calling me retarded now?

Its "special" thank you...........


.....also handi capable.........

Now im offended........



posted on Aug, 6 2015 @ 04:27 AM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
are you guys all calling me retarded now?

Its "special" thank you...........


.....also handi capable.........

Now im offended........


We do disagree for the most part, but I had more respect for you than to think that the best you could manage here was a cheap shot like this.

You find attacks on the mentally handicapped to be a matter for jeering and snide PC jokes.

More than a bit telling.



posted on Aug, 6 2015 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: Liquesence

I would say that it is extremist conservativism that fits this definition. This extremism has been promoted to the forefront in the GOP.

IMO today's extemist ideology comes from a past rooted in the authoritarian plantation economy of the Southern states. Such an economy (no matter where its locale) depends on an acquiescence to power and a strict social hierarchy (with its need for supremacist thinking to make it work). Combine this authoritarian thinking with unresolved issues of America's Civil War and Reconstruction, and one gets anti-Federal govt beliefs. Such thinking spread throughout the country, as Southerners migrated to other states.

Combine this political ideology with clinical paranoia ("govt is out to get me!", "there is a chip in my sofa so the govt can spy on me!") or a need for intense structure (I cannot function in society unless I strictly follow rules and/or need someone to punish me for my own good when I deviate--here, think religion also), and one can start quite a movement.

It's interesting that the Koch family helped start the right wing extremist John Birch Society, whose founder came from North Carolina. It's the Koch family, along with other wealthy right wing extremists, who have helped fund current drives to promote their paranoid authoritarian anti-govt ideology. And, of course, while the wealthy corporate sponsors of this libertarian anti-govt fanatsy want govt out of their corporate business, the non-corporate followers interpret this to mean stay out of my personal business (unless govt mandates my personal religious beliefs) and keep your hands off my Medicare.

Add to this mix also, those who never reconciled to integration or Civil Rights (Northerners as well as Southerners), and one has a political symbiosis of a far right extremism movement.

The GOP combined extremist political ideology with authoritarian religion. I used to wonder how Germany could elect a Hitler. I no longer wonder. The banality of evil, indeed.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: Liquesence

If you swing to the right, you might be mentally ill.

If you swing to the left, you might be mentally ill.

If you like beans on toast, you might be mentally ill.

It's time to stop trivializing mental illness.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

This statement is wholly irrelevant.

If you study the history of US cities, you could perceive that the reason so many minorities are in place resulted from decades of disenfranchisement.

Why would you vote for the same people who perpetually force you into submission?

I find that your comment is suggesting that beat down should continue with trade policies killing basic manufacturies (the reason for cities), the completion of segregating the suburbs and states underfunding education and services for the poor.

When they posted the information indicating your problem, mental illness, your response was to attack people who were not involved with the issue. This is classic. Diverting criticism by pointing at others.

Own who you are.
Then you can seek help.

Considering the subject and their response to it. I think that this meets collegial aspects for conduct.



posted on Aug, 10 2015 @ 06:58 PM
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a reply to: desert

Oh I agree.

And if the extremist conservatism has been promoted to the forefront of the GOP, where it is largely accepted it seems, what does this say about conservatism in general?

Where are all the people coming to defend conservatism against the fringe right that seems to be taking over?

It's all rooted together, it's all extreme, and the "moderate" conservatives have lost their voice because the nuts have taken over—and the ignorant commoners are rallying behind the "new" conservatives.



posted on Aug, 12 2015 @ 01:29 PM
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"Where are all the people coming to defend conservatism against the fringe right that seems to be taking over?"

I observed this takeover building over the years.

In the 1990s, Gingrich and his fellow Southern Republicans would drive through the GOP just as Sherman devastated the South with his March to the Sea. Sherman's march was through enemy territory, and so was Newt's; while he officially called Democrats the "enemy", he would even turn on fellow party members. Newt was about confrontation and "no compromising". Those are battle cries, not useful for governing in America.

When good Republicans tried to speak out about the evil politics arising among them, they were refused party money to run and were chastized in public by right wing media (as personal as right wing media personalities like Rush Limbaugh), to whom many a GOP politician would have to humbly approach to apologize and to beg forgiveness. It was like, "We have a good thing going, don't spoil it! Fall in line!".

Fox news became the mainstream media outlet for conservatism and the GOP. (Both drug each other hand in hand further and further rightward.) Those who became labeled as RINOs defended themselves by appearing before the media judges/high priests to plead guilty/confess their sins and beg for forgiveness. (Think kissing Rush Limbaugh's) And if some RINOs were deemed unredeemable, they were banished from right wing media publicity, shunned by the Party, left to rot in the Hell of their own making (or some RINOs realized, like St. Reagan, that their party had left them, and they voted for Democrats or became Democrats).

American government needs a loyal opposition to function properly. Sadly, the Republican Party as a loyal opposition has disappeared. And even sadder, each political party needs a loyal opposotion within, and the GOP has self-destructed its loyal opposition, becoming the hard liners they find so distasteful in other countries. I suspect it is not because they thought authoritarian rule was abominable, rather they secretly envied their control.




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