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Is Conservatism a Mental Illness?

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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Again who is "the left."

Second of all, no one says that your labor belongs to anyone but you, and neither does anyone say that they own your health.

You're a member of our society though, and we do things collectively; do you think you should not have to pay your share?

Are you looking for the rest of us to pay our part and your part as well?

A requirement to purchase health insurance is not "controlling your health" it is merely a gesture toward the Government not having to cover your medical bills.
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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: amazing

What I love is how you guys tend to make yourselves the automatic champions and the morally upright ones and then paint your policies as THE only way to be pro-this, that, or the other. Then you paint anything and everything that isn't your policy as anti and perfectly diametrically opposed which then let's you paint the "Other" as evil and bad.

I know why you do it. Hegelian dialect is easy and makes it easier to attempt to win. Good/Evil and all that.

But sometimes, in fact lots of time, the "other" is no more opposed than you are. He/She just takes a differing approach to the issue.



I'm not sure I agree with you and not sure what you mean by "You guys" I'm an independent although I lean left on most views such as equal rights for all and the environment. I'm very conservative...when it comes to gun rights, lower taxes and smaller government though.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ketsuko


Not even the 90% tax rate is a new idea and it was even done here.

Yes, it was done here. And it only applied to super rich people - just like it would now. People who will Never Ever have to worry about money for the rest of their lives (nor will their children). It ALSO is what created the middle class and the prosperity that this country enjoyed after WW2.

Denial, hallucinations, delusions, paranoia, alarmist catastrophizing.....etc.

That ^^ is what I see in your posts. Consistently.



The original income tax of 1913 ( year of abominations ) was a 1% on the rich, and only the rich.

Those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ketsuko


Not even the 90% tax rate is a new idea and it was even done here.

Yes, it was done here. And it only applied to super rich people - just like it would now. People who will Never Ever have to worry about money for the rest of their lives (nor will their children). It ALSO is what created the middle class and the prosperity that this country enjoyed after WW2.

Denial, hallucinations, delusions, paranoia, alarmist catastrophizing.....etc.

That ^^ is what I see in your posts. Consistently.



The original income tax of 1913 ( year of abominations ) was a 1% on the rich, and only the rich.

Those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it.


The original income tax was levied in 1861 to pay for the Civil War costs.

3% of everything over $800 in income.

Those who don't know history ... should not quote vapid maxims.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: pyramid head

You didn't answer the question, which proves that you know you are an autocrat.

Which leftists are you referring to? Anyone in particular, or just convenient straw-man group you've made up to serve your agenda?

There is no "demon king democrat party leader" ... that statement is either delusional or dishonest or both.

You're for gay rights, eh? So, you believe in marriage equality?

You're working for an Equal Rights Amendment so that Americans can't be discriminated against based sexual orientation and/or gender identity?



You're playing dumb. Let's put it in simple terms since you have a hard time understanding my posts.

Democrats claim to be for gay rights.

Obama, the president and leader of the Democrat party funds a proxy army that murders homosexuals.

Democrats claim conservatives are anti gay yet remain silent on the leader of the party supporting the MURDER of gays.

Try and change the topic all you want, you're a hypocrite. I don't support the murder of homosexuals so I'd say I have a leg up on you in the gay rights support. Pretty sure being alive is probably most important...



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: introvert

As I'm sure you've noticed, for some, anything with the word "social" in it is read as "socialism."


Same as Capitalism means Plutocracy, every time a socialist reads it.


So ... you're a proponent of the "two wrongs make a right-winger extremist BS answer" group?

Understandable.


I have never read or heard or seen a leftist show any understanding of the free market.

All attempted refutation of the free market uses conditions made by socialism, such as government debasement of the money, government subsidies to corporations, and governmental regulation and taxation that prevents competition.

The left has the annoying tactic of accusing its targets of what it, the left, is doing itself. All of the disproportionate corporate power and influence comes from the power of the government.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
I would love to see any conservative/Republican/right-winger/tea-partier/neo-libertarian NOT act like they are morally and intellectually superior to everyone and everything.

That would be refreshing.


(HINT: Don't hold your breath.)


The truth is always superior. or else it isn't the truth.

Or do you mean style is more important than substance.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

I would love to see any conservative/Republican/right-winger/tea-partier/neo-libertarian respond with the truth rather than mere belief and/or opinion to any matter on a regular basis

If I had meant "style is more important than substance" I would have stated that; I did not.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: pyramid head

The thing is, in a conservative dream-world, you'd have a corporate authoritarian world.

Both extremes give authoritarian societies.

I'd like to think though, with the right people in power -- a government could be steered more easily than corporations who's sole purpose is to make profit for a select few.

Who knows though...


I don't agree with that at all. What you described is a globalists dream world and an authoritarian solution.

A conservative dream world is one where the government does the bare minimum and individual freedom is maximized.

Just because I want to make a lot of money, and keep most of my hard earned money, doesn't mean I'm in favor or parasitic globalists like soros, buffet, and Koch, using the government to screw the people.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: pyramid head



You're playing dumb. Let's put it in simple terms since you have a hard time understanding my posts.

Democrats claim to be for gay rights.

Obama, the president and leader of the Democrat party funds a proxy army that murders homosexuals.

Democrats claim conservatives are anti gay yet remain silent on the leader of the party supporting the MURDER of gays.

Try and change the topic all you want, you're a hypocrite. I don't support the murder of homosexuals so I'd say I have a leg up on you in the gay rights support. Pretty sure being alive is probably most important...


Well, now we must enter conspiracy-mode to understand this crap.

For your post to even be considered valid, you'd have to prove that Obama is funding a proxy war that murders homosexuals.

Can you do that for us?
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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ketsuko


Not even the 90% tax rate is a new idea and it was even done here.

Yes, it was done here. And it only applied to super rich people - just like it would now. People who will Never Ever have to worry about money for the rest of their lives (nor will their children). It ALSO is what created the middle class and the prosperity that this country enjoyed after WW2.

Denial, hallucinations, delusions, paranoia, alarmist catastrophizing.....etc.

That ^^ is what I see in your posts. Consistently.



The original income tax of 1913 ( year of abominations ) was a 1% on the rich, and only the rich.

Those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it.


The original income tax was levied in 1861 to pay for the Civil War costs.

3% of everything over $800 in income.

Those who don't know history ... should not quote vapid maxims.


Not a quote, a paraphrase. Facts don't help if the understanding of them is gotten from faith.

I'm sure there was an income tax before 1861.

And everything Lincoln did is excused by the Left as necessary for the centralization of power. Centralization of power being axiomatic in a lefty's faith.

You really don't see the difference between a precedent of claiming all wealth as at the disposal of the normal peacetime government and a wartime emergency confiscation?



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: pyramid head

Not really, in a conservative dream the corporations would have free reign and the individual would bow down before the all might company.

You see, conservatives wouldn't regulate anything. There'd be hardly any structures of government to keep corporations from making us all slaves.

Conservatives also love to legislate morality to death, and spend spend spend on defense.



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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: pyramid head



You're playing dumb. Let's put it in simple terms since you have a hard time understanding my posts.

Democrats claim to be for gay rights.

Obama, the president and leader of the Democrat party funds a proxy army that murders homosexuals.

Democrats claim conservatives are anti gay yet remain silent on the leader of the party supporting the MURDER of gays.

Try and change the topic all you want, you're a hypocrite. I don't support the murder of homosexuals so I'd say I have a leg up on you in the gay rights support. Pretty sure being alive is probably most important...


Well, now we must enter conspiracy-mode to understand this crap.

For your post to even be considered valid, you'd have to prove that Obama is funding a proxy was that murders homosexuals.

Can you do that for us?


Conspiracy to those who pay no attention to international politics. This subject is to big to elaborate on this thread, I'm sure there are many here dedicated to this subject.

I think the great senator rand Paul describes it in general terms pretty well

m.www.youtube.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Rand

His breakdown is basic, but the point is made well. This is "information mode". Seems like those who hurl "conspiracy" tend to be the least informed.
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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Come now, you were mistaken, and a bit over zealous in giving another member crap about being "historical."

Surely you can take a small bit of your own medicine back, eh?

You were talking about income taxes in the United States of America. That first started in 1861 not 1913.

I still don't know who comprises "the Left" you keep talking about, but I can say that the Constitution is the real source of centralized Federal power in the United States, not President Lincoln, unlike what arm-chair historians like to imply.

As much as I despise the copypasta method of communication, you said this:



You really don't see the difference between a precedent of claiming all wealth as at the disposal of the normal peacetime government and a wartime emergency confiscation?


I wanted to quote you to insure that I didn't misread what you said. Sadly, I didn't.

First of all, income tax is not "claiming all wealth as at the disposal of the normal peacetime government," and second of all, I've never said anything like your comment nor implied anything like it.

Are you saying that you don't believe that the Constitution provides the power to tax to the Congress?

Might want to see the US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: pyramid head



Conspiracy to those who pay no attention to international politics.


It is conspiracy because from what I understand no proof of what you claim has been found.



I think the great senator rand Paul describes it in general terms pretty well


The link is dead. Doesn't work.



Seems like those who hurl "conspiracy" tend to be the least informed.


No, I like to base my opinion on facts, not conspiracy or far-off possibilities.

Anyway, your assertion that since Obama may be funding people that kills homosexuals, and that he is the leader of the party, that no Democrat can claim to be for gays rights without being a hypocrite is absurd.

It's a vast generalization that is illogical. If we were to apply that logic evenly, we could then say that no Republican can claim to be pro-Muslim without being a hypocrite because George Bush killed a million of them in Iraq.

That, of course, is false and illogical. Therefore, your attempt to do so can be considered as such.
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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 03:53 PM
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The democrat party supports gays .. and the Muslim community...

Now tell me Conservatives are mentally ill..
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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: LeoStarchild

The democrat party supports gays .. and the Muslim community...

Now tell me Conservatives are mentally ill..


Thank you so much for contributing.

You have provided a much needed perspective that I hope more people can witness.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: LeoStarchild

The democrat party supports gays .. and the Muslim community...

Now tell me Conservatives are mentally ill..


Not sure what you're implying.

That democrats are mentally ill for supporting equality under law: gay rights; and religious tolerance and equality, the Muslim community; or the opposite?



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

He/She is saying that Democrats are mentally ill for supporting gays and Muslims.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: pyramid head



Conspiracy to those who pay no attention to international politics.


It is conspiracy because from what I understand no proof of what you claim has been found.



I think the great senator rand Paul describes it in general terms pretty well


The link is dead. Doesn't work.



Seems like those who hurl "conspiracy" tend to be the least informed.


No, I like to base my opinion on facts, not conspiracy or far-off possibilities.

Anyway, your assertion that since Obama may be funding people that kills homosexuals, and that he is the leader of the party, that no Democrat can claim to be for gays rights without being a hypocrite is absurd.

It's a vast generalization that is illogical. If we were to apply that logic evenly, we could then say that no Republican can claim to be pro-Muslim without being a hypocrite because George Bush killed a million of them in Iraq.

That, of course, is false and illogical. Therefore, your attempt to do so can be considered as such.[/

Sorry about that, having problems linking from phone, I'll post it later or you could just you tube

Rand Paul: We armed ISIS' allies in Syria to fight them in Iraq

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