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Using Windows 10? Microsoft Is Watching—and Collecting Data

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posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: jedi_hamster

If that is your impression.
However I admit I forgot the source link.
www.winbeta.org...
If I had not forgot It, context would be clear, so yes my fault but not intentional FUD.

Edit: Uran off-topic thing.
I read what you posted and your statement, as it stands there was simply wrong. I did not have to google that and it was not intended as an attack. So now you can stop seeing it as one ok. I´m not the agressive one and such but let´s not start that again.
Clarification: I did google the values but knew before that there would be uranium in some trace amounts in tap water.
And the backtracking. The post you replied to Unity99, had nothing about uranium. So I might be allowed to come to the conclusion you ridiculing her.
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Can you point to that sentence? I cant find it. If the sentence I quoted is all you got, it was not obvious, not in the slightest.
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posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: verschickter
and if I read this:

" Microsoft is collecting data on text entered as is it trying to improve auto correct within the system."
You can be sure it logs every key. May be not a "keylogger" in classic terms but it´s a tool that collects (logs) keys.

That was for the Insider Program, when they got lots of data about the way Windows 10 Technical Preview was used and when they asked for more information from the users.
I participated in the Insider Program but limited the use of Windows 10 Technical Preview to tests related to it.

PS: it says in your source:

One of the more interesting bits of data the company is collecting is text entered. Some are calling this a keylogger within the Windows 10 Technical Preview, which isn't good news, and it also isn't true.



posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: ArMaP
Good morning ;-) jedi_hamser was so keen to point out I forgot the source while taking the chance say he got me "red-handed".

Look what I found in my post directly above your quoted lines


a reply to: ArMaP
We can argue all day if it´s a keylogger (normally logs every key-event) or if its only logging some of your keystrokes.



So my answer to this:


One of the more interesting bits of data the company is collecting is text entered. Some are calling this a keylogger within the Windows 10 Technical Preview, which isn't good news, and it also isn't true.


Is this:


a reply to: ArMaP
We can argue all day if it´s a keylogger (normally logs every key-event) or if its only logging some of your keystrokes.


Fact is, keystrokes are stored somewhere.
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posted on Aug, 5 2015 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: ArMaP
Good morning ;-)

It's almost good night here now.



Fact is, keystrokes are stored somewhere.

Maybe, "collecting data on text entered" is not the same thing as "collecting text entered", and that was for the Technical Preview.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 09:48 AM
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And yet, somehow, more and more people do think that MS invades our privace more than ever.
But it is For Free -> get it now!



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: Liquesence

I'm going to keep repeating it until everyone accepts it... this is not America anymore. If you think it is you are plugged into the Matrix. If you utter the words "So, I've got nothing to hide" then you deserve to be punched in the face, repeatedly, until you wake up.

I do have something to hide, especially from Microsoft. I work for some of Microsoft's competitors with patents. It is my duty to protect the information with which those competitor's have entrusted to me. Many corporations, especially small and medium sized ones, should be seriously avoiding Win10 or should be seeking to destroy it's functionality to keep the large fish from stealing it's trade secrets and ideas.

The individual privacy concerns/implications are alone horrid, but this OS shouldn't even be considered in a business environment.
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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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Well, updated to Windows 10, and found my computer ran faster. Also went into the bios to unlock my motherboards core and finally got windows to see 8 gigabytes of ram. Had no idea it was seeing 8 but only using 4, and that is just crapola. Then after going through the walk throughs on disabling their spyware, discover that it doesnt work fully on the home editions.

So...downloaded the new release of Linuxmint 17.2, and installed it. It was very smart, found 500 gigs extra space, didn't overwrite any of my data partitions on my 2 drives, AND the bonus is I don't have to go into bios to choose which hardrive to boot, (windows or pclinuxos), it sees all of them and allows me to boot into any of my desktops.

I stayed in Windows 7 most of the time, now I'm mostly in Linuxmint.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
I know there have been concerns about Windows 10, and many of those concerns valid, but here's an article i found in Newsweek that talks about all the invasions of privacy that users agree to, likely without reading the privacy policy.


Well, the thing about it is that people ALWAYS install software without reading the user agreement and privacy policy. Hell, even I do (and always have) and I KNOW it's a terrible idea. Why? Because I just can't be bothered to read through a bunch of vague legal gibberish that basically says "By installing and using this trojan horse of a product, you agree that you have no right to complain about it when it violates you".

Basically, there aren't really all that many people who are both smart enough and wealthy enough to put together a bunch of code that actually works and is fairly reliable over the long term. So they've got you by the balls and they know it. Every PC on the planet needs the same key to make it work. You can use some half-assed open source OS written by people who don't care if you're not smart enough to figure it out but most people don't have time and patience for that crap. You're only going to get a product that works for everyone if you pay for it and fatty poop floats the best.

Want a working PC? Sign over your life to a bunch of creeps who embedded a bunch of spies into the key. What are people gonna do? There's no real alternative. Apple is just as bad as MS and Linux absolutely hates people who don't know what they're doing.
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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders
You can use some half-assed open source OS written by people who don't care if you're not smart enough to figure it out but most people don't have time and patience for that crap. You're only going to get a product that works for everyone if you pay for it and fatty poop floats the best.


before windows, there was dos. if linux is half-assed (many parts of the environment are, but people mistake a 'put-together-ready-to-use' bunch of software, including graphical desktop environment - and there are tons of graphical desktop environments for linux - with linux itself, which is just a kernel), then dos was an abomination.

is linux - or any other opensourced OS - for everyone? no, because of the missing software, troublesome hardware drivers and so on. is it half-assed? some software is, but you can't blame linux for the flexibility it provides. with windows, you have one 'desktop shell' - there are means to replace it, but it's tricky and messy at best. for linux, you have tons of desktop environments, tons of utilities doing the same exact thing, just looking different/integrated with different software, and so on. if one thing doesn't work for you, you can try another. if you prefer extremely lightweight desktop without tons of automation tools over full-blown multimedia environment - you can have it.

but you have to be willing to do some thinking, and computer users today are, unfortunately, extremely ignorant and unwilling to think on their own, to put it very, VERY gently. OSX, windows, those are all examples of what happens when you try hard to please an average idiot. those systems aren't idiot-proof entirely, but they're pretty close - everything to make using a computer easier.

but there's a price on that. many choices were made when designing OSX and windows - choices that are left up to the user in case of linux and many other systems. choices that may be confusing, choices that require some thinking and knowledge, choices that were taken away from you to make your life easier.

and now, to make your life easier, they're taking away your privacy.

can you blame them? it's your own ignorance that asked them to do it.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: verschickter
Fact is, keystrokes are stored somewhere.


That's not exactly a fact. Let us not forget we are talking about an Operating System here... The OS is responsible for controlling and managing your computer hardware and peripherals. An OS is not just some application, it is what actually manages your hardware like your keyboard and mouse and anything else you plug into it.

At the deepest level, Windows has access to your keystrokes from your keyboard, after all, the OS is what instantiated your USB ports and keyboard via their drivers. How else will it process those keys and display them on the screen, or send them to a window / application? It must process the signals from your keyboard drivers and react upon them. At this point the keystrokes are loaded into random access memory, and used, then discarded.

At this point, it is possible to algorithmically processes keystrokes without actually storing them in a log file. You can get information about what is being typed, as it is being typed, without actually exposing what is being typed to the outside world.

Unless you can find the file that logs your keystrokes, what you said is not a fact.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: Unity_99
Well, updated to Windows 10, and found my computer ran faster. Also went into the bios to unlock my motherboards core and finally got windows to see 8 gigabytes of ram. Had no idea it was seeing 8 but only using 4, and that is just crapola. Then after going through the walk throughs on disabling their spyware, discover that it doesnt work fully on the home editions.


Sounds like you didn't know 32bit operating systems can't utilize more than 4 GB RAM, and then you installed the 64bit version and suddenly realized it... Then you somehow blame it on Windows? It's a known limitation for almost all 32bit OSs.

FYI... for RAM to work, every byte in the RAM requires an address so it can be accessed.. The length of the address is limited by the processor. A 32bit processor can only uses addresses that are 32 bits in length. That means there are only 4,294,967,296 (4GB) possible 32bit addresses.

Also, the "spyware" can be disabled no matter what version of Windows you run....



originally posted by: Unity_99
So...downloaded the new release of Linuxmint 17.2, and installed it. It was very smart, found 500 gigs extra space, didn't overwrite any of my data partitions on my 2 drives, AND the bonus is I don't have to go into bios to choose which hardrive to boot, (windows or pclinuxos), it sees all of them and allows me to boot into any of my desktops.

I stayed in Windows 7 most of the time, now I'm mostly in Linuxmint.


It doesn't matter what operating system you have, you can set up selective boot to select which OS to boot to. It sounds like your Linux install just sets it up for you. Big deal...

It seems like most people with issues are ones who know nothing about computers, and shouldn't even be setting one up.
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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: jedi_hamster
before windows, there was dos.


I know. I used to know how to use DOS (in 1991. I've long since forgotten it because I don't need it to use something like Irfanview on Windows). Windows came about and took over the world because people don't want to mess around with that stuff. Well, most people don't. Most people don't want to design and build a car from the ground up. They just want to get in and drive.



if linux is half-assed (many parts of the environment are, but people mistake a 'put-together-ready-to-use' bunch of software, including graphical desktop environment - and there are tons of graphical desktop environments for linux - with linux itself, which is just a kernel), then dos was an abomination.


1. Well, this really wasn't meant to be a debate about Linux. It's just that Linux has all of the problems that you run into when there isn't enough money in it to make it just plain work for everyone who needs to use it.

2. The problem with all those environments is it's confusing as all hell for someone who just wants something that works and does everything they want to do.

3. Another problem with them (if I understand it right) is they all have the same fundamental limitations. If there's something about the basic code that does something that you (as an end user) don't like you have to find a version that someone has gone out of their way to design not to do that. And that can be a real pain.

So the problem is this. If nobody is getting fat and wealthy off of an operating system, it's going to be a pain in the butt for the layperson to use. This is why people have been using Windows for years and paying for it. Not because they love paying just to be able to turn their machine on. Nobody loves spending money they don't have for things as mundane as switching on a machine they've already paid for (MS finally gets that, which is why they're trying to use the promise of free OS to suck people into W10). Because whatever else Windows is, it's stupid simple to use and there's a gigaton of free software that works flawlessly on it. Never mind what all that freeware does in the background. The point is that people need things to work and not everyone wants to sift through a billion different flavors and try to find the one that works. Windows is universally compatible and Linux just isn't. The only thing it has going for it is you can turn your PC on with a free piece of software and if you know what you're doing, you can probably mold it into something that works for you.



and now, to make your life easier, they're taking away your privacy.

can you blame them? it's your own ignorance that asked them to do it.



Actually, I don't believe that's why they're doing it. If it was, they would have been much more subtle about it and it wouldn't be on TV every day. You can't keep selling people something they hate (which is why Linux isn't the dominant OS). Why would MS do the one thing that's guaranteed to open the doors wide for someone to compete? If their goal was monopoly, they would not want competition. Pissing off half your customers is a great way to stimulate competition. Which might be great for the customer. It's bad news if you want monopoly.

So why are they doing it?

Either....

1. They have no choice (some government body is forcing them)

2. MS was never a real business and was always intended to be a surveillance machine.

3. They're completely stupid and don't know how to run a business.

Number 3 doesn't sound that plausible to me.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:00 PM
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neither 1, 2 or 3.

watch terminator genisys. it's more or less where we are heading, without the danger - because even if they would make Cortana evolve into a full blown AI (doubtful - even Bill Gates is against AI i think), they're not connected to military networks.

the point is, it's all about unification - people want it easy to use, and that's what it becomes. smartphones, tablets, computers - all sharing user information, bookmarks, personal data (via the cloud). android and chromeos work like this, iOS and OSX start to work like this, windows 10 is designed to work like this - even more so with windows continuum, a project thanks to which new smartphones with windows 10 will be able to display regular windows 10 desktop (like on a computer) when connected to a tv for example. that, and universal apps - same code, running on smartphones, tablets and computers. microsoft needs to get rid of OS fragmentation to do it, that's why they're giving away windows 10 as a free upgrade (only for windows 7 and 8 users!), and that's why they're going to update a lot of old smartphones with windows phone 8 to windows 10 mobile (something that google cannot do in case of new android version, because vendors don't care and prefer to sell new smartphones instead).

but there's a point people are missing - you don't have to use that functionality. you don't have to use microsoft services, microsoft account, onedrive cloud storage, outloook.com e-mail account, you don't have to share any of your personal information with microsoft if you'll simply stay away from their services - and as much as people like to spread fear with 'windows as a service' motto, it's not so simple - it's still a regular operating system, and it'll be that way. it's just heavily integrated with their services, which noone has to use.

people will though, because they won't care that to read new sms on their computer right when it arrived on their smartphone laying who-knows-where, it'll have to travel through microsoft's servers, just like they don't care that their e-mail sits on microsoft's - or google's - or anyone elses - servers. ease of use, unification of platforms across devices - that all comes with a price. that price is 'everything is connected', and it's connected using some company's servers, because that's the only way it may work.

so it's not like they have some evil intentions, they're just giving people what they want - and all those privacy concerns, blown out of proportion by paranoid conspiracy theorists, are just a result of it.
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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:26 PM
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Realistically, the options are twofold...

1: Microsoft doesn't give a crap about what people do with their computers. They don't need a gazillion terabytes of data telling them what they already know... they know everyone uses it for porn, shopping, entertainment, and work. They simply want to provide new age hipsters with the connectivity they demand, and add lazy features for everyone's fat lazy fingers, which requires a certain amount of data / input from you and your devices in order for it to function. And they also want to advertise and sell products to you, but they want to know what you may want to buy, they don't care about anything else but profits.

2: This is some huge idiotic conspiracy because anyone can watch network traffic, block network traffic, write programs to block traffic or obfuscate the traffic data, and stop the 'spying', and or simply switch to another OS and or unplug from the internet.
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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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And here we have the point.
The whole point is that microsoft has been trying since day one, to make an operating system that is basically infallible.
They want the whole experience, the idea that you can turn on your computer, ask a question, and the question is answered.
This is not microsoft's fault, it is people's fault.
Now we complain when ms offers that option because it infringes on our privacy.
The whole idea of having a system that can know our likes, dislikes, wishes and hates is all part of using the hardware.
You can not have an operating system respond if you turn off the emicrophone.
You can not have searches tailored to your likes if you turn off telemetry.
You can not have all these things if you don't accept the necessary "invasion" of privacy that results from having an all inclusive, whole experience operating system.

Any user of microsoft who understands how the system works understands how to turn features on and off that they may or may not like.

This is basically a facebook scare.

Use a browser search for any issue and stop thinking this is insurmountable, it really, really isn't.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 05:52 AM
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originally posted by: WeAre0ne
a reply to: BrianFlanders

Realistically, the options are twofold...

1: Microsoft doesn't give a crap about what people do with their computers. They don't need a gazillion terabytes of data telling them what they already know... they know everyone uses it for porn, shopping, entertainment, and work. They simply want to provide new age hipsters with the connectivity they demand, and add lazy features for everyone's fat lazy fingers, which requires a certain amount of data / input from you and your devices in order for it to function. And they also want to advertise and sell products to you, but they want to know what you may want to buy, they don't care about anything else but profits.

2: This is some huge idiotic conspiracy because anyone can watch network traffic, block network traffic, write programs to block traffic or obfuscate the traffic data, and stop the 'spying', and or simply switch to another OS and or unplug from the internet.


Realistically, I'm not buying it.

So yeah. Anyway, thanks. This was basically my point. Whenever someone complains about Linux, the Linux fans just default to calling them lazy and stupid. Which might be true, but insulting people is not a solution. It would be easier for the Linux people to just get their act together and fix their clunky OS than to endlessly defend it against people who want to like it but end up going back to MS because they're lazy and the Linux "community" treats them like mortal enemies.

Don't get me wrong. Some of the friendlier Linux distros have come a long way in recent years, no thanks to the purist Linux fanbois. Yeah. They came a long way. And the fanbois were dragged kicking and screaming along. Because people were just too lazy to open a command terminal to launch an installer for a program that immediately crashes and screws up a thousand different things once it's installed.

But hey. You can always go to a Linux forum and ask for help (if you can get your computer to work). But sadly, you'll probably be told it's your own fault for not being a nerd and being lazy.

So anyway. Yeah. It would be easier for the Linux people to just get their act together and fix the software. If there was any money in it. But they'd have to sell it and there's the problem. Linux people are basically Marxists. They believe things should be free......but they ignore the fact that people don't work for free. So there is no friendly tech support guy on the line when you have a problem with your pretty Linux distro. Because support people don't work for smiles and thank yous.
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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 07:43 AM
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originally posted by: WeAre0ne
2: This is some huge idiotic conspiracy because anyone can watch network traffic, block network traffic, write programs to block traffic or obfuscate the traffic data, and stop the 'spying', and or simply switch to another OS and or unplug from the internet.


This is so wrong on so many levels, except for the unplug from internet part and even then.
It´s not a conspiracy.
Not "anyone" can watch network traffic.
Out of the people that can:
Not "anyone" can block or write programs to block traffic, let alone "obfuscate traffic data".
Out of the people that can do that:
Not "anyone" is smart enough to know certain techniques to ride on pakets and then identify them. What MS could do with ease and you wont even notice it. What they send is encrypted either way. How you´d know what they send out?

So your "anyone" boils down "very few people".
The unplug from the internet? Well I´ve got an instant solution for that. How many people (strike me from that list) allow friends, childrens friends, relatives to plug in usb sticks without much concern?
Now imagine someone might come to the conclusion it could be a nice idea to combine the badusb exploit with a little data collector that get´s some informations...

Everyone who wants to tell me "I´ve nothing to hide", would you install cameras in your home and set up a machine with monitor outside so everyone interested can have a look at what you do all the day? Maybe even with timeshift functions... That would be nice? No? And if not everyone, would you even allow the company that build it to record that data? It´s not a question to you directly, just to make one think.

And to add something to the programming section above: You´d use a language like c or c++, not relying on any frameworks. To write safe code in such a language, you need to be aware of so much security flaws and risks regarding memory it´s not funny.




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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 09:14 PM
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Ive been reading these comments off and on since this thread started. A lot of you realize the privacy concerns but im not sure that most of you know windows 10 is only free for the first year. After that year is up you will be paying a subscription fee for your continued use of there product. That's thee whole reason they are giving it away, and stopped giving disks out that someone can reuse to download fresh copies of windows to your machine unless you specifically ask for one otherwise you get it from the cloud. They want you to download it install it because after there predetermined number of days to switch back they have you locked in.. Pay the fee or buy a new copy of windows.. Your choice...if you could call it that



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: PaperMetel
Ive been reading these comments off and on since this thread started. A lot of you realize the privacy concerns but im not sure that most of you know windows 10 is only free for the first year. After that year is up you will be paying a subscription fee for your continued use of there product. That's thee whole reason they are giving it away, and stopped giving disks out that someone can reuse to download fresh copies of windows to your machine unless you specifically ask for one otherwise you get it from the cloud. They want you to download it install it because after there predetermined number of days to switch back they have you locked in.. Pay the fee or buy a new copy of windows.. Your choice...if you could call it that


have any reliable source to confirm that stockpile of BS?

like Microsoft perhaps?



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