Using Windows 10? Microsoft Is Watching—and Collecting Data

originally posted by: LunaticPandora
a reply to: jedi_hamster

you're misleading people, and that's something i won't ignore.

I am doing no such thing.

Just because I'm not writing out an entire how to doesn't mean I'm purposefully misleading people.

if you never had a problem with drivers under linux, then it most likely means you never really used it as a desktop system in the longer run - and that's how most people use their windows systems.

More assumptions..And you know what they say about assumptions.

there's a solution for everything? sure, if you're a programmer, have deep understanding of the linux system and all its layers, and are willing and able to write the needed hardware driver (after somehow getting specs from the vendor), or are willing and able to rewrite a software that doesn't have a linux version and refuses to work under wine.

The support for linux is so much broader now than it ever has been.

otherwise, what you're telling is a bunch of fairytales and wishfull thinking.

No you're just saying that because you're a hostile person who likes to brow beat people who have different experiences and opinions than you. You're over hostile to people for no damned reason over SOFTWARE.

you may know linux better than most people know windows, but that doesn't make you an expert. think twice before giving an advice, because from what i can see, you're either far from the level of knowledge you think you have, or you're just deliberately misinforming people.

More accusatory bull****.

I'm done here.

yeah. assumptions, no such thing, blah blah.

go ahead. every problem has a solution, you say. all current distros will work like a champ on 10 year old hardware, you say.

show me one CURRENT linux distro, providing decent (read as: exactly same as under windows, enough for playing older games including gta san andreas and farcry) performance when running on old agp-based radeon 9550. vendor drivers? forget it - it will work under windows, but under linux the driver requires ancient by todays standards distro. opensource drivers? slideshow.

show us the solution, and if you can't - that proves that you've lied.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

You're still being overly hostile.

And not just to me.

Now you're accusing me of being a troll.

I think you just feed off of conflict.

I won't be feeding you any more, I promise.

originally posted by: LunaticPandora
a reply to: jedi_hamster

You're still being overly hostile.

And not just to me.

Now you're accusing me of being a troll.

I think you just feed off of conflict.

I won't be feeding you any more, I promise.

i'm always hostile towards lies and stupidity.

even more so towards penguin-fanatics that can't see linux for what it is - an operating system - and spread their fairytales across the web, pushing it down people's throats using FUD and fake propaganda, without even having technical expertise to do so - and then play poor victims when caught up red-handed.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

Wow wow wow. Slow down. Now. Where in this thread did I gave advice to shut off defender/antivirus products? That´s made up bull# from you. It was to show you, and you know it, that when it comes to VIRUSES, you can be pretty save without any hassle. I suppose you know the differences between worms, viruses and the like.

You´re being overly agressive. You are the one who comes over as a MS fan-atic.
And next you will tell me I do not have to use Win10 if I dislike it. Yes, thats exactly what I wrote I will do.

Something else I noticed, you mix up peoples responses and invent things to it. WAY TO GO. Like I gave advice to not use antivir products. Ridiculous. I´m out here, too.


Edit: Saw your post above. Fantastic.
Edit: Also saw your post about the asylum. Whats wrong with you???

originally posted by: verschickter
Cute. So. Why don´t you show off your vast knowledge by explaining it to the freaked outs? Because you can´t and leaving a comment like that just shows your ignorance on the topic. This is not the so famous latest MS OS bashing.
It´s serious for everyone who knows.

As a Senior Software Systems Engineer for many years, I found that trying to explain things to people with limited knowledge is very time consuming, and holding someones hand until they understand is an investment I rarely get any return from.

originally posted by: verschickter
Is it ok for you to let a friend/user decide to share YOUR PW via one-click-action to all of his friends?
What are the legal consequences for you if I am your friends friend and you do not even know me, I drive up to your adress, do dumb # on the internet and it´s your head that rolls.

It is ok, because I have full control of my network.

I am guessing you are talking about the new "Wi-Fi Sense". How about you disable it?

Or better yet, how about you enable "MAC address filtering" on your wireless router firewall? That way, you have final control of what devices get access to your network.

The best option is to read a book or two about security and network administration before you decide to actually try to manage a network. I can personally tell you many different ways to manage the devices and connections, but I don't have time for that, network administration is a huge subject.

It all comes down to this; You have full control over what goes in and out of your network through your hardware firewall installed on your router. You can control who has access and what they have access to. If you want to be a part of this "open wifi crowdsource" business and enable WiFi Sense, you should probably do what most sane network admins do... Set up two different wireless routers!

The main WiFi router will be for your normal every day business, set up to only allow devices you recognize, and have full access to the internet. The secondary WiFi router will be your "guest" router, this will be open to anyone, but black list pretty much all domain names and IP addresses, and only white list the domains and IP addresses that you want your guests to be able to use so they can't exactly go "do bad stuff" on the internet and get you in trouble. Better yet, log all traffic in and out, and all connections and devices, so you know exactly who did what, when, and where. So your day in court will be successful if it comes down to a legal battle.


Also, you may want to read this:

www.windowsphone.com...

Let you exchange Wi-Fi network access with your Facebook friends, Outlook.com contacts, or Skype contacts to give and get Internet access without seeing each other's Wi-Fi network passwords

You're password is not given away like you claim. That shouldn't matter anyway if you have adequate knowledge of network administration.

a reply to: bananashooter

Your data cap is 20gb/mo?

What is wrong with the world?

I thought mine was bad at 300gb/mo.

I usually use a couple TB/mo.

If you really wanted to, you can sniff network traffic and find out where Microsoft is uploading all the data they gathered from you, and block that remote address or list of addresses. You could block it in your router firewall, or software firewall on your OS. You could even modify your hosts file to block the domain or IP address Microsoft uses by looping it back to local address.

You have control my friends.

originally posted by: verschickter
Some information collected by the Microsoft's digital assistant includes information about your contacts, calendar, location, internet history and favorites, speech, inking and typing, and more.
www.windowscentral.com...

Or do you want to tell me this is not offline on your harddrive and gets sent when online.

Can you show me a Microsoft site saying that? Anyone can say any thing.

And you think your information is safe on their servers?

Did I say that?

originally posted by: LunaticPandora
You can't say that linux stability, longevity, compactness, and usefulness is on par or lesser than windows.

I didn't say that, did I?

It looks like implying I said something I didn't say is a new trend.

If you tried to install windows 8.1 on an 6-10 year old computer you'd crash it.

No, my computer is seven years old, it came with Windows Vista, I upgraded it to Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and now 10, and he didn't crash.

a reply to: Liquesence

You'd be surprised that does not matter what OS you use, all computers are tapped into before you buy them. Every hard drive ships with code to enable backdoors. NSA controlled and others organisations.

Scary huh. Fact. Only way to avert logging realistically would be to close down all port communication, VPN tunnel all connections and use a service that really does not keep records. If we are talking connected to the internet. Otherwise, unplug.

I for one welcome the Microsoft A.A.A.I C.A.A.A.I Artificial Intelligence Security Overlords

Thanks Bill...

My point is that even Microsoft centric (or is it fan sites), are warning people to do turn off privacy features, thats the point here. Are they misleading people as well?

Since Windows 10 will be the last version before the subscription based Windows (it will be just called Windows), more tech centric sites are covering this news. Every year you have to get a new subscription, with each subscription, you are forcefully getting upgraded with new terms and conditions. If you are tech savvy , it is time to look into Linux distros again, you can install it on virtual machines (VMWare, Virtual box etc).

I agree, Google have been doing this for years, because Google is a advertising company (with search engine as a carrot). Where as Microsoft have been a Software company, and their main revenue model is to make money by selling software. So if such a big company like MS have to make money buy giving away billions of copies of windows license, they have to have ad revenue. Of course, MS is making money by cutting jobs (18,000 employees last year, and 8000 this year).

a reply to: Nyiah

Good on ya for that.
I know so many people who just don't get it...

But yea, as the OP stated, the new AT&T internet/TV ads where they brag about how cool it is that AT&T knows what they want to watch before they do, like it's a good thing, is demonstrative of the mindset.
And it's kinda scary.

If you tried to install windows 8.1 on an 6-10 year old computer you'd crash it.

No, my computer is seven years old, it came with Windows Vista, I upgraded it to Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and now 10, and he didn't crash.

I can verify that as well. My Toshiba Satellite I'm on as we speak is running 7 just fine, and it's 6 years old.
No problemos.

originally posted by: Liquesence
One of these companies needs to put into their agreement, "By agreeing to these terms you also agree that your soul now belongs to Satan," just to see how many people actually read through the stuff.

I'm guilty of not reading the policies, unless it's something *really* special to me (such as licensing creative content and copyright issues) that I don't want to screw myself by not reading, then I'll at least skim to the *important* parts.

A company once put in their EULA that the first person to go to a link in it and type something in would be given $10,000. It took months before anyone claimed the reward.

In other cases (Apple is notoriously bad for this) the EULA includes completely unenforceable requirements like you agree to not use any non Apple products, or that by using the software you automatically forfeit your right to sue the company for any reason.

In others, it's blatantly clear that the majority of lawyers who write the EULA's don't even read them, they just assemble them piecemeal from prewritten text.

Back in The Day ... in 1999 16 years ago ..


NSA KEY
en.wikipedia.org...

Microsoft, the NSA, and You
web.archive.org...://www.cryptonym.com/hottopics/msft-nsa/msft-nsa.html




IBM to disable serial number in Pentium III
edition.cnn.com...

Boycott widened over new Intel chip ID plan
www.cnn.com...

Yeah. M$ are interested in you, Joe Halfpenny.

originally posted by: VimanaExplorer
My point is that even Microsoft centric (or is it fan sites), are warning people to do turn off privacy features, thats the point here. Are they misleading people as well?

Since Windows 10 will be the last version before the subscription based Windows (it will be just called Windows), more tech centric sites are covering this news. Every year you have to get a new subscription, with each subscription, you are forcefully getting upgraded with new terms and conditions. If you are tech savvy , it is time to look into Linux distros again, you can install it on virtual machines (VMWare, Virtual box etc).

I agree, Google have been doing this for years, because Google is a advertising company (with search engine as a carrot). Where as Microsoft have been a Software company, and their main revenue model is to make money by selling software. So if such a big company like MS have to make money buy giving away billions of copies of windows license, they have to have ad revenue. Of course, MS is making money by cutting jobs (18,000 employees last year, and 8000 this year).

yeah. subscription based windows. because some idiots spreading the FUD said so.

well, guess what. microsoft says it'll remain free.

www.winbeta.org...

wether you choose to believe the company behind the product at hand, or a bunch of fanatics spreading panic, that's up to you.

Could this be MS's one big swipe at the pirates, MS were very open about how even the pirate copies would get a free upgrade.

Can you imagine that after 6 months of use Captain Jim Lad comes down in the morning and says "Hey Cortana, what's going on today" only for Cotana to reply, "Captain, can you hear that knocking at the door, that's the Police and I told them everything...Oh and by the way, all those films and porn, I undeleted them and have hidden them on the network , the one with the three midgets and the donkey should be very useful, Have a good day.."

Lol..

Seriously, Windows 10 has the ability to get people in to a load of trouble and you agreed to it..

Oh and can I offer a small word of warning about registry hacks, unless you are familiar with the registry etc then I advise against them, you screw up the registy and you stand to screw the PC from working, if you feel the need to edit the registry then hope its from a trusted source and follow the advice TO THE LETTER.

Don't get cocky after doing it and go looking for things to change because you did it once, the PC OS uses the registry to work, its not a playground..

originally posted by: VimanaExplorer
My point is that even Microsoft centric (or is it fan sites), are warning people to do turn off privacy features, thats the point here. Are they misleading people as well?

No, and for most people (the ones that just install the update and go on with their lives) it's important that other people point to them the fact that Windows 10 comes with all those privacy concerns, what I think is wrong is implying (or affirming) things that do not represent the real situation.

Basically, I like truth.