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Using Windows 10? Microsoft Is Watching—and Collecting Data

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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: VimanaExplorer

Protection in court for what?

Here's the thing, back in the day MS stole and idea and released a newfangled windowed operating system that simplified computing for the every day person and from that they squeezed themselves into almost all of our homes. They made a # load of money in the meantime, but it's always been about that and nothing else. MONEY!

It's not about spying on us to push us down. It's about syping on us to push themselves up. And if we don't like it, we can always choose a different OS. I'm not concerened about it at all.




posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 12:38 AM
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I installed W10 yesterday, AFTER I took a look at those privacy issues, which are completely out of hand!

I had to click "NO" to about a dozen questions regarding privacy and sharing EVERYTHING (emails, typing, apps, their usage and whatnot.....!).

Then I found this one on my search on how to disable "Feedback & Diagnostics - Diagnostics and Usage Data - Send your device data to Microsoft" (which is a bi*ch to disable, and I am still not sure I managed it, as I own the W10Pro, but not W10Enterprise):


Source



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 03:52 AM
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It's funny to watch people who know next to nothing about computers get freaked out by them.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: Nyiah

Nyiah Nyiah

What if you only think you know how to lock up your os

Unless you know how to monitor and check every single packet going back and forth

Maybe your efforts are only make believe
edit on 3-8-2015 by Uma511 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 06:04 AM
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This is just the beginning.

Ever heard of TCPA? No? Then you may be to young to know it´s been renamed several times and is now called:

TRUSTED COMPUTING
here is a video from two german friends they made some time ago.
Everyone should watch this.
vimeo.com...

They are going to tell you what hardware you will use. Like the HDCP chip forces you to buy the correct hardware. Cant watch SKY (premiere) on my old 50" Plasma (HDready). Have to use a SCART/AV cable in 2015....because SKY receiver does not recognize the HDCP chip.
Those TC chips, or however they are called now are already build in into drives, mainboards, CPUs, GPUs.
This is not freaking paranoia it´s the truth and everybody that writes something like the following post, just walked eyes wide shut through the last 17 years. At least since 2002, TCPA got "mainstreamed". If you never heard about it but call yourself computer savy... Well you might lie to yourself.

a reply to: WeAre0ne
Cute. So. Why don´t you show off your vast knowledge by explaining it to the freaked outs? Because you can´t and leaving a comment like that just shows your ignorance on the topic. This is not the so famous latest MS OS bashing.
It´s serious for everyone who knows.

Is it ok for you to let a friend/user decide to share YOUR PW via one-click-action to all of his friends?
What are the legal consequences for you if I am your friends friend and you do not even know me, I drive up to your adress, do dumb # on the internet and it´s your head that rolls.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 06:16 AM
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If your worried about privacy maybe you shouldn't be online as nothing is totally safe.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 06:33 AM
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a reply to: VimanaExplorer

"Files in private folders" is not the same thing as "local files", as that privacy policy applies to Microsoft services like OneDrive and Skype, it's not the Windows policy.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 06:43 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

You are right, but there is still a difference.
Would you buy the car that´s spying on you and everyone that uses it or would you buy to "common" car.
I bet you choose "common".
Would want that your car, once lent to a friend(INET connection), gives the friend the decision to share your license plate(WLAN password in this case)? And if he did, you only can get a new licence (PW in this case) and until then, you are the one who get´s the visits from the cops. Maybe a year later. Now proof that it was not you but your friends friend.

What if there is no "common" car to buy when your actual car breaks down?
Wordly-wise coolness is not always the best route.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: SgtHamsandwich


I mean really? Who gives a crap. I use my computer to surf facebook, ats, and porn. If Microsoft want's to send me some suggestions for some new porn based on my preferences then I'm cool with that.


Only thing that erks me really, is I wish I was getting a small check cut my way for some of that data. I would like a piece of that pie since I put the time in to provide it.


THIS. THIS THIS THIS.

What are you tinfoil-hat wearing people afraid of? Someone may steal your aunt Betty's meatloaf recipe? Or is it that you're evading taxes, hoarding kiddie porn, dealing drugs, and various other crimes? If any of you think that ATS forums aren't data-mined and anything else you do online isn't already monitored you're living under a rock. If you're online, your data is being collected.

I know...bring on the whining "we're entitled to our privacy" trolls now...As if you have that to begin with.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: anticitizen

originally posted by: SgtHamsandwich


I mean really? Who gives a crap. I use my computer to surf facebook, ats, and porn. If Microsoft want's to send me some suggestions for some new porn based on my preferences then I'm cool with that.


Only thing that erks me really, is I wish I was getting a small check cut my way for some of that data. I would like a piece of that pie since I put the time in to provide it.


it's people like you who encourage companies like fb, google and microsoft to legally spy on people.
if you want your private data in the hands of someone else, fine, go on.
but those companies should stay the hell out of my privacy and any other's who cares and sees the dangerous implications that comes with it!



Guess what genius....it ISN'T people like him (or me) who encourage this behaviour. This is happening already. It's people like him and I who enjoy our lives and the benefits of targeted advertising instead of whining relentlessly about it on forums that are monitored just the same as every other site.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: stolencar18

So are you happy for Windows to send your wifi login to all your freinds on fb and skype and anybody else who is in your house - children etc.

Little Johnny lets his mates login which then gives all their friends access to your wifi too.

What do they say -6 degrees of separation to anybody in the world so POTENTIALLY then soon we will all be able to use anybody else's wifi - hooray.

Now i dont need a wifi router as i can just piggy back everybody else's unless everyone has the same idea


I can see this leading to some very interesting court cases.

Example 1.
Customer: Erm hello i seem to have used 1000GB's of info this month how?

ISP: Well you do have most of your city block using your connection sir/maam

Customer: WTF

ISP: I assume you are using windows 10 - did you not read the terms and conditions?

Customer: Erm

ISP: Then you owe us the cash


Example 2.

Police at door: knock knock

Citizen: Hello how can i help?

Police: we are here to sieze all your digital equipment and arrest you for 'crime x'

Citizen: wtf you talking about thats crazy

Police: Come along sir and don't resist - we have this illegal activity recorded as originating from your wifi router

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posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:32 AM
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Guess what genius....it ISN'T people like him (or me) who encourage this behaviour. This is happening already. It's people like him and I who enjoy our lives and the benefits of targeted advertising instead of whining relentlessly about it on forums that are monitored just the same as every other site.


YES IT IS. By tolerating it you enable them to do it and creep forwards ever so slightly.
Benefits of target advertising? That´s a good one.
Privacy anyways compromised? I THINK NOT. Because this way I decide what I post. I decide who gets to know my WPA keys. I decide what I want to look at. Not everyone is registered at FB,instagram, twitter and whatnot.
In fact, all FB users will someday look back and think "damn. damn damn damn." Why? Because your face is connected to everything you did on the internet via facebook plugins.
Anonymousity(is that a word) and pricacy are two different sets of shoes.

You have nothing to hide? Nobody has nothing to hide.
Why don´t you set up your harddrives to "share" with read only. No you wont to that I bet.


a reply to: johnb
Exactly my point. Well, one of them. If microsoft* already decided it will not TRUST ME, why should I TRUST in them?
*exchange with company name you (dis)like



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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as an old retired computer jockey, there have been back doors for decades.....using ANY device that's "connected" means you CAN'T expect total privacy....if you want to communicate in the most private way, write a letter with a pencil or pen, and send it through the U.S. mail. unless you are doing something illegal, your privacy is pretty secure.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: jimmyx

Sure. Does that mean, because of that, we have to accept it? Remember, it´s not just about what you communicate through the wires. It´s what you do offline on your hard drive that get´s collected. Your preferences. Your typed words.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 11:45 AM
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originally posted by: johnb
a reply to: stolencar18

So are you happy for Windows to send your wifi login to all your freinds on fb and skype and anybody else who is in your house - children etc.

Little Johnny lets his mates login which then gives all their friends access to your wifi too.

What do they say -6 degrees of separation to anybody in the world so POTENTIALLY then soon we will all be able to use anybody else's wifi - hooray.

Now i dont need a wifi router as i can just piggy back everybody else's unless everyone has the same idea


I can see this leading to some very interesting court cases.

Example 1.
Customer: Erm hello i seem to have used 1000GB's of info this month how?

ISP: Well you do have most of your city block using your connection sir/maam

Customer: WTF

ISP: I assume you are using windows 10 - did you not read the terms and conditions?

Customer: Erm

ISP: Then you owe us the cash


Example 2.

Police at door: knock knock

Citizen: Hello how can i help?

Police: we are here to sieze all your digital equipment and arrest you for 'crime x'

Citizen: wtf you talking about thats crazy

Police: Come along sir and don't resist - we have this illegal activity recorded as originating from your wifi router

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Like I said...tinfoil hat. And a vivid imagination. Good story. I'm going to go live (and enjoy) my life now.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: verschickter


Guess what genius....it ISN'T people like him (or me) who encourage this behaviour. This is happening already. It's people like him and I who enjoy our lives and the benefits of targeted advertising instead of whining relentlessly about it on forums that are monitored just the same as every other site.


YES IT IS. By tolerating it you enable them to do it and creep forwards ever so slightly.
Benefits of target advertising? That´s a good one.
Privacy anyways compromised? I THINK NOT. Because this way I decide what I post. I decide who gets to know my WPA keys. I decide what I want to look at. Not everyone is registered at FB,instagram, twitter and whatnot.
In fact, all FB users will someday look back and think "damn. damn damn damn." Why? Because your face is connected to everything you did on the internet via facebook plugins.
Anonymousity(is that a word) and pricacy are two different sets of shoes.

You have nothing to hide? Nobody has nothing to hide.
Why don´t you set up your harddrives to "share" with read only. No you wont to that I bet.


a reply to: johnb
Exactly my point. Well, one of them. If microsoft* already decided it will not TRUST ME, why should I TRUST in them?
*exchange with company name you (dis)like


No, it's not. This activity would happen regardless. It's happened for decades (on computers, or other media, such as phone lines, etc). What exactly do you think you'll ever accomplish? Make MS limit their TOS and EULA to something ATS-friendly? Get real.
As far as social media goes, your example is silly. Sure, plenty of people are morons and post all kinds of dumb crap on Facebook, but many don't. Many of us are also perfectly fine if the world knows I "checked in" at a certain restaurant or I enjoyed a visit to the gun range and shared a picture of it. My point? I don't live in fear of someone knowing something about me like you do.
As far as having nothing to hide...what a moronic thing of you to say. Of course everyone values privacy, but anyone who thinks big brother is watching to see if you download a song or a movie or two, or how much porn you watch, or whether or not you have pics of your junk swinging in the breeze, is either arrogant or paranoid. You either think you're SO important that somebody values you enough to devote their resources to you (lol) or you're paranoid to the point that you think the cops care that you watched Sasha Grey take one too many in the face and they may think you're a pervert.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: jimmyx

Sure. Does that mean, because of that, we have to accept it? Remember, it´s not just about what you communicate through the wires. It´s what you do offline on your hard drive that get´s collected. Your preferences. Your typed words.


buy a cheap computer, do not go online with it. use it to write whatever you want to, transfer the info to a cheap thumb drive, and you can send it by post...by the way, interchangeable hard drives are good too....



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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Err I think you underestimate my intelligence if this is really the answer to my post.
There is a reason why I have all my SSDs in mounted in ejectable slides. I take the "hot" one with me everytime, should someone decide to make a visit (be it police or burglar). Not because I would not have a backup.. I´m already used to drag HDDs around me and unmount them when I finish working due to work pratices back in the day.
Also, sending data storages around the country, nothing new. Before there was even something like ADSL/SDSL we did this on a daily basis.

As someone, who wrote a post like the above one would not come to the conclusion you provided. Although, you are completely off the way with your response. Your cheap thumb drive can also be compromised. So what.

It´s about having a software, in this case deeply integrated into your operating system (win10) that records almost everything you do and saves it on an external drive, not accessible to you, under the disguise of "making things easier" and "personal assistant". Not the typical "might-be backdoor" or "you are being tracked either ways" or "you cant expect privacy". That´s what it´s about.

The point is this. I do not want to have a fresh installed OS loaded with whats essentially a keylogger, voice recorder and datamining software. No thank you.
If lazy people opt in for it, great for them. But if they want me to buy their OS, I want to have a option to turn the # off. EVERYTHING. I mean, I do not have to use Win10 and later versions, sure. There are so much unix/linux distris out there. Until you are forced to use a windows machine because of some properitary file format or software only aviable to windows machines.

What about companies? Do you think they want that an external company, probably in concurency to your biz, gets even one byte of them?

Windows Defender: "You can turn me off but after some timespan I wont tell you, I will turn myself on again."

You know what the next step is? You will only be able to install licenced software and hardware. Software must be licenced by MS. Do you know what that means? They will be able to tell you what you can install on YOUR machine.
OpenSource? Self compiled software fitted to your needs?

There are people sitting in front of computers that do actually use it for what it was build.
Not just entertainment. Try to see it from our side.
The industry has a big problem because most of their MS machines are running XP.
I explained it in another thread some months ago. SIEMENS had to redesign the whole STEP7 core drivers for their PLCs just to migrate it on WIN7. It was caos. Still is a pain in the ass to install.
Most ATMs in Germany are running XP SP3 because the drivers for the hardware the ATM uses are not aviable for WIN7.
Thousands of ATMs are vulnerable to the latest unfixed exploits.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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1) I do not live in fear.
2) There are people using computers for work. Not just porn, fb or sharing their location.
3) Whats that about ATS and EULA? Stop thinking everyone on ATS is paranoid.
4) Your last paragraph. Moronic? Sure? It´s not about big brother. You came up with that. The WPA key sharing has to do with cops yes but in the whole, it´s about a company (microsoft) collecting informations like what you type, your voice profile and the things you like.
5) Even if you might not believe it, YES there are people that work on things that are groundbreaking. Just because YOU do not have the slightest clue what other people do in their freetime.

6) I will be happy to hunt for critical exploits surrounding all those "features" that rip a wide open door into your win10 system. A feature so less people will turn off.
Do not fear me. Fear the kids that have zero concerns using those exploits then if they get more and more public.
I gurantee you the following: There WILL be critical exploits in those features and they WILL be found. It´s always the same. But when that day comes. I expect a big datadump on every one using those features. That day, I want to see your face.

Unbelievable. It´s like someone is watching what you do over your shoulder and takes forever-notes and you want to tell me you do not care the slightest about that?

May I ask when you were born? Not because I want to imply you are childish.
I tell you why when I have the answer. Even if I´m wrong.
And please stop talking down on me like that.
edit on 3-8-2015 by verschickter because: terminated some spelling errors.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 01:42 PM
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Regarding Cortana , is she still running? :

I was clearing up programs that seemed unnecessary in the task manager. My computer is low-end and I don't want anything useless taking up resources.

I saw that the Cortana program is running under Background processes, despite turning every Cortana related feature off and not accepting user agreement to activate her. Using 74.4mbs, 3 times as much as the 2nd highest backround program.
In details section it says : Name : SearchUI.exe Status : Suspended Description : Search and Cortana application.

Does this mean Cortana is integrated into the windows search system and cannot be totally shut down?
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