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Aren’t you glad you were born into the right religion?

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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: Realtruth

But the wording was very one sided. You make it sound like if a child winds up walking the path his or her parents started them on, they are not free-thinking individuals. That is false.

Mr. Ketsuko is a good example.

Do you honestly think he didn't have his atheist moments as a microbiologist going through college? Of course he did. Every aspect of his faith was tested and re-tested. He took medical ethics and philosophy classes too. And yet somehow, his mind led him to a different conclusion although he isn't a Nazarene anymore.




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
Religions also represent organized groups and people tend to find strengths in group and associations, so I guess it comes down to what flavor you like, but in the end just about everyone is associated with other like minded people and feel a sense of synergy and strength in that association.


Yes, I've found gathering together, congregating creates a euphoria type energy.

It's not any particular belief, but the gathering together. It's very powerful.

I make sure my mind is clear before going into any group gathering, so as not to be falsely persuaded or indoctrinated.

I think young people today get so busy with their own lives that many stop going to the "group" they were raised in and once separated from that euphoric energy gathering ---- see it with more clarity.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth
But on the flip side of the coin many times religion is fear based, and if fear doesn't work they will use fear and shame to manipulate. Love appears to be elusive with many religions unless you make healthy financial donations.

Religious dogmas are hypocritical, judgmental, and many times use one passage to try to prove another passage, in their religious text. In logic this is called circular argumentation.


I think you like to cherry pick to support your point. Religion is a lot of things, at the lowest level it tends to be very good. People working with other like minded people do good things and basically trying to life a good life. There is a lot of philosophy in it too, so it can be a form of that, and it can also take on a bad direction when it becomes politicized. I think that is what you tend to associate more with religion such as most Dogma is politicized.

I remember when Katrina hit I drove by an area in Arkansas and there were 100s and 100s of people filling up about 25 tracker trailers full of cloth, food and other needs to send down to the area hit. They were all from the local churches and I failed to see any critical thinking groups out there doing the same...hehe


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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

I remember when Katrina hit I drove by an area in Arkansas and there were 100s and 100s of people filling up about 25 tracker trailers full of cloth, food and other needs to send down to the area hit. They were all from the local churches and I failed to see any critical thinking groups out there doing the same...hehe



So you are saying if religion did not exist those people that were hit by Katrina would not have been helped?

People have goodness in them without the confines of religious dogma's, most have yet to realize this.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: Realtruth

I was raised a roman catholic, both my parents had been raised as such, however they were not practicing Catholics, they didn't attend church or say grace before meals or demand i said my prayers at bed time, it was very lax...i did however attend catholic schools, through first grade and also high school where religious education was a mandatory subject.

It wasn't until i actually stepped outside this indoctrination through education (leaving school) did i start to question religion (i didn't dare do it in school) but that wasn't until i was in my mid twenties, and internet was a thing, social media, ease of access to information that wasn't set around a religious ideology that my scope was widened.

I'm atheist now, not that i say "god doesn't exist" but i merely do not prescribe to the idea of a god, i cant prove or disprove either way, and i don,t "mock" or take an arrogant tone with those who choose to believe there is a god, that's the wonderful thing about life, you have free will.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
But the wording was very one sided.


Wait, are you calling for the Fairness Doctrine on ATS? Do YOUR threads follow the Fairness Doctrine? Do ANY threads?? What are you suggesting here?

This was the OP's personal experience. How many sides do you expect?



You make it sound like ...


The OP doesn't "make it sound like" anything. That's your opinions, beliefs and context about the world that add up to your interpretation of the OP.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Realtruth
But on the flip side of the coin many times religion is fear based, and if fear doesn't work they will use fear and shame to manipulate. Love appears to be elusive with many religions unless you make healthy financial donations.

Religious dogmas are hypocritical, judgmental, and many times use one passage to try to prove another passage, in their religious text. In logic this is called circular argumentation.


I think you like to cherry pick to support your point. Religion is a lot of things, at the lowest level it tends to be very good. People working with other like minded people do good things and basically trying to life a good life. There is a lot of philosophy in it too, so it can be a form of that, and it can also take on a bad direction when it becomes politicized. I think that is what you tend to associate more with religion such as most Dogma is politicized.

I remember when Katrina hit I drove by an area in Arkansas and there were 100s and 100s of people filling up about 25 tracker trailers full of cloth, food and other needs to send down to the area hit. They were all from the local churches and I failed to see any critical thinking groups out there doing the same...hehe



Good point! I used to point that out to my colleagues during hard times. Some would mock God during good times, but pray to Him for help during natural disasters. So I'd say "Hey, wait a sec. Why aren't you praying to Darwin, Nietzsche or Satan? It's funny how you conveniently accept God in times like this".

And the same for people who would bash socialism in favor of capitalism. They sure seem to like it when the community came together to help them for free during the clean up (socialism). And they hated the people who'd price gouge them when selling water, blankets, etc, even though that's capitalism in its truest form.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: Xtrozero

I remember when Katrina hit I drove by an area in Arkansas and there were 100s and 100s of people filling up about 25 tracker trailers full of cloth, food and other needs to send down to the area hit. They were all from the local churches and I failed to see any critical thinking groups out there doing the same...hehe



So you are saying if religion did not exist those people that were hit by Katrina would not have been helped?

People have goodness in them without the confines of religious dogma's, most have yet to realize this.




No, what he's saying is that unlike atheism & the sciences, most religions actually make charity one of their priorities. That's why you'll always find different religious groups offering to help during disasters. Think tanks, focus groups, and "critical thinking groups" don't make charity & "helping thy neighbor" a priority. This is why we don't see those groups at ground zero during disaster cleanup, but we do see religious groups there.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: kellyjay

We have similar paths for sure, although I'm not an atheist, but rather an agnostic now.

Mocking is something that may be assumed when critical thinking, questions religious dogmas.

Unfortunately religion, and proving that God exists is a faith base thing. Faith is something that one person experiences for themselves in whatever dogma they choose. Trying to prove God, or argue religion with logic is a losing battle because most characters are metaphysical.








posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: Realtruth

I wonder how much of that indoctrination still exists. It seems most previously indoctrinated atheists drop the mythology but retain the religiosity.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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in some cases there could be something animalistic survival of the fittest vs spiritual-educational experience/environment, religion-history sets the tone



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:30 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant



So I'd say "Hey, wait a sec. Why aren't you praying to Darwin, Nietzsche or Satan? It's funny how you conveniently accept God in times like this".


Even more strange is how religion conveniently likes to take advantage of people in their moments of suffering just for the sake of converting them.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
This is why we don't see those groups at ground zero during disaster cleanup, but we do see religious groups there.


Red cross

Private contractors

Salvation Army

US Government

Local Governments and police

Volunteer doctors and nurses

Volunteer firefighters

Volunteer Reserve Police

And the list goes on and on.........................

I can tell you that I saw lots of people helping during Katrina, because I was there, and it was not just religious groups, but rather human beings.

The religious dogmas didn't seem to matter at that point.
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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: Realtruth

Indeed, it's a waste of time.

However if humanity suddenly found evidence of gods existence i would certainly follow him/her, but my "faith" isn't strong enough to make me believe, tangible evidence is what i require.

I don't know if i will always be atheist, perhaps life will throw me a curve ball in the future or something may happen that will change my opinion, but for now i wont be prescribing to that idea.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
This is why we don't see those groups at ground zero during disaster cleanup, but we do see religious groups there.


Red cross

Private contractors

Salvation Army

US Government

Local Governments and police

Volunteer doctors and nurses

Volunteer firefighters

Volunteer Reserve Police

I can tell you that I saw lots of people helping during Katrina, because I was there, and it was not just religious groups, but rather human beings.

The religious dogmas didn't seem to matter at that point.


LOL You do realize the Red Cross & Salvation Army are Christian organizations, right? And of course the government's going to be there. Government workers are paid to do that. They should've been fired for dereliction of duty if they weren't there. And the private contractors were only there for money, literally profiting off of the disaster cleanup.

The only examples you used that don't make my point are the volunteers. And how do you know they weren't doing it for religious reasons too?
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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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"Religion is for folks afraid of Hell.. 'Spirituality' is for folks that have already been..." -- The Great Sioux Nation.

"You are tried for being Chris†ian, is there enough evidence for conviction?" Seen outside St. Margaret's Episcopal Church.

Because We are chatting on the intraweb.. I am whatever religion™ You are, therefore I know You'll think I'm smart/saved/"special"...

If We met in 'real Life' You would NEVER get out of Me, how I vote, who/what I pray to and that My 'kink' is swim fins and a catcher's mask..

We are ALL on separate paths, together...

namaste



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth

So you are saying if religion did not exist those people that were hit by Katrina would not have been helped?

People have goodness in them without the confines of religious dogma's, most have yet to realize this.


Please do not go down the path of all or nothing. Let me ask you of all that was donated what groups gave the most, put the most time into it? I do believe that with many religious people helping others is much more part of their weekly routines than those not religious though. Prior to the Government creating subsistence programs the vast majority of support was though churches and I bet they did a better job. We didn't talk about people starving or huge homeless rates in the 60s and earlier and the more the Government takes over the worst it gets.

You are talking to a non-religious person BTW, but I can see the good in it even though it isn't for me.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

I did realize that, so laughing about it only shows you are trying to shame. Religion has taught you well.

Your original claim was that we didn't see "those groups" meaning other than religious folks, but what I saw was human beings helping human beings, and it was a cross section of diversities.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

If only charity worked. It is only an ointment, not a cure. The underlying problem remains unscathed.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

Please do not go down the path of all or nothing. Let me ask you of all that was donated what groups gave the most, put the most time into it? I do believe that with many religious people helping others is much more part of their weekly routines than those not religious though. Prior to the Government creating subsistence programs the vast majority of support was though churches and I bet they did a better job. We didn't talk about people starving or huge homeless rates in the 60s and earlier and the more the Government takes over the worst it gets.


Ok let's roll with your premise then.

And that religious folks are doing the majority of helping people.

Are they doing it out of fear because if they don't they'll burn, or perhaps they'll have a place in heaven if they do, or are they doing it simply out of altruistic reasons not associate with religion?




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