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Why are there soooo many Bernie Sanders threads ATM?

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posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted

People are getting tired of people who clearly are only pandering for votes, and will change their policies merely by the whims of the day without really believing in anything.

A person without true conviction or belief who's only concern is what will get votes, won't really fight for what got them voted in cause they clearly don't believe in it, and it's just an illusion designed to trick you. People are fed up with it. With Bernie we at least have a reasonable reason to believe he'll actually fight for what he's saying and not just flip flop or laugh at our stupidity for believing they actually cared about the thing they only started believing in yesterday.




posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: uncommitted

People are getting tired of people who clearly are only pandering for votes, and will change their policies merely by the whims of the day without really believing in anything.

A person without true conviction or belief who's only concern is what will get votes, won't really fight for what got them voted in cause they clearly don't believe in it, and it's just an illusion designed to trick you. People are fed up with it. With Bernie we at least have a reasonable reason to believe he'll actually fight for what he's saying and not just flip flop or laugh at our stupidity for believing they actually cared about the thing they only started believing in yesterday.


That's an opinion. 10 years ago someone may have been for nuclear weaponry, 10 years later their position has changed based on insight gained over ten years. They may have been against pro choice, and are now for it. They may have been against gay marriage and no longer oppose it (if not strictly agreeing with it).

That's not flip-flopping, that's maturing your thoughts. Of course you may not change your opinion on anything - ever - but not doing so doesn't by itself mean you're right.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 12:44 PM
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You're right and wrong. You're right when that is what's occurring BUT that is not what's been happening in Washington and people are opening their eyes to it. The reason people like Bernie is he's the only one we know of that's clearly not just pandering for votes, and also accepts no money from corporate lobbyists making their true motives doubtful. He's not accepting corporate bribes.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: 200Plus

www.opensecrets.org... closest i could fiund to what you were asking about no idea of their credibility but this tracks 2009-now so hope this is informative



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 01:02 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: Semicollegiate


While your posts indicate that socialism is the destroyer of economies, yet it is obvious that how money is spent is a big factor. If the country borrows to pay for TARP, pay for corporate subsidies, pay to house non violent criminals - cover the cost of having the world largest prison system, foreign aid, and the most expensive military on earth it could lead to economic collapse.

See you don't need socialism to destroy the economy, otoh socialism can be misused to the same result a destroyed economy.

So we have two ways that can destroy the country and one that helps people, of course helping people is the problem.


The way money is spent is supposed to be the ruling power of an economy. Consumers decide what is produced by voting with their purchases. Purchasing is more than spending money, because a person can often choose to buy nothing at all. The decision to purchase or not purchase, itself, is part of the process of the free market. The prices of things are additional information about the world that a person includes when to deciding what to do.

All taxes discourage purchasing ( taxes make the price higher ), which reduces production and destroys jobs.

Socialism as a pure philosophy cannot assign real world prices to anything. After a while, is in the USSR, there is no way to know how much of the economy should be spent on transportation, or research and development, or milk production, or toilet paper. The prices of things in a free market tell everyone how scarce or plentiful anything is. Resources are then assigned to the things that people want or need the most, with the highest profits going to the most efficient, lowest cost, producers.

Socialism in practice always uses central banking. Central banks use inflation to make current money worthless over time. That is how the socialistic money debt is paid, through an "invisible" tax. Using inflation to pay today's dollars back to the lender in future dollars of less buying power is called "monetizing the debt". The buying power lost to inflation is the same as paying a tax, in that the money taken in by the average person is able to acquire less when spent.

Socialism will always ruin an economy of free people, because there is no way for central planners to know how to assign resources. See F. A. Hayek's The Pretense of Knowledge. Actually, there is no socialism, because socialism is simply a con job, a Ponzi Scheme. It will seem to work until the last surplus is spent, then it ends.

Prisons, the military, foreign aid, TARP, and subsidies to are all socialistic. None of them exist in a free market.

Criminals should have pay garnishment or their normal working wages until their offence is balanced out.

Countries with militaries would find trading partners unhappy with them to say the least.

Foreign aid would be replaced by charity.

TARP is a subsidy. No subsidies are justified, or considered, or even possible with a Constitutional (non socialist) government.

Slavery was normal for thousands of years. The State has saved us from (replaced) slavery. Mainstream party politicians that use the government to solve a problem are socialistic. Bernard Sanders is just a different flavor of slaver.


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