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Seattle CEO Who set Company Minimum Salary at $70k/yr Struggling

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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: SubTruth



Progressive logic fails.......Progressive ideals fail......Progressives do not see the big picture because ideology blinds them.

Just like how the people who follow capitalist ideology are too blind to see that capitalism fails also. Capitalism only works when it is heavily regulated.


So that must mean that unless the government tells you exactly how to do it, you are incompetent to hire the kid next door to mow your lawn or babysit you kid or walk your dog or any other minor work you might need done if he or she needs a few extra bucks?




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: burdman30ott6

When everyone gets a trophy, it makes having a trophy meaningless.


True but, the trophies don't have to be the same though. If only there were some way to determine the appropriate size of the trophies according to the value of the participants' contributions.

ETA: Probably should have ended with the wink


Then someone would complain because my trophy was bigger than theirs.

They would claim micro-aggression, unfair trophy size allotment, and call for trophy justice and trophy equality.


Basically, this all comes down to equal outcomes instead of just equal opportunities.

Not disagreeing at all. In my post, ''trophies'' was simply a euphemism for paychecks.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 02:23 PM
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The workforce is full of people desperately working for nicer shackles. Quite sad really.

They'll point out how they worked so hard for their nice, ornate pair of shackles and tell those with the crude looking ones to work harder and have some self-respect and they one day too can earn a nice pair of shackles.

Is their anything more pathetic than a slave who thinks he's free?



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: corvuscorrax
The workforce is full of people desperately working for nicer shackles. Quite sad really.

They'll point out how they worked so hard for their nice, ornate pair of shackles and tell those with the crude looking ones to work harder and have some self-respect and they one day too can earn a nice pair of shackles.

Is their anything more pathetic than a slave who thinks he's free?


then go out into some wilderness area all alone, live off the land, and you be free of those "pair of shackles". nobody is stopping you.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: SubTruth



Progressive logic fails.......Progressive ideals fail......Progressives do not see the big picture because ideology blinds them.

Just like how the people who follow capitalist ideology are too blind to see that capitalism fails also. Capitalism only works when it is heavily regulated.


So, since we are so heavily regulated, your version of "capitalism" must be working now, right?


There is very little regulation that is being enforced due to austerity measures and political will. Anti-Trust laws on the books are not enforced - thank you r raygun among others.

The US is hardly 'heavily regulated'. Ignoring regulations is just a 'cost of doing business' and for smaller businesses there is no personel to verify compliance.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: corvuscorrax


Is their anything more pathetic than a slave who thinks he's free?

Yes, there is. Free people likening themselves to 'slaves'. Get real.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
Here let's ignore salaries for a minute, hourly is simpler for this demonstration.

Let's say a company has 5 tiers of employment, including the owners ect.

Reasonable distibution might be (ignoring current economic numbers, using numbers as examples)

Let's as bottom rung, or 1 is 10 dollars an hour, rung 2 is 15 dollars and hour, then 20 dollars for three, then 25 dollars for 4, and 30 dollars for 5. This is pretty reasonable as a start distribution from each other. The highest rung is getting 3 times what the lowest rung is.

Instead what we get is closer to

1 = 10
2 = 12
3 = 15
4 = 100
5 = 100000

Addendum: What this guy did is more along the lines of
1 = 80
2 = 81
3 = 83
4 = 84
5 = 85

Not enough incentive to care about the tiers.


What if no one will work for those wages? Because that is a real possibility.

America is a "free country" (although that is obviously laughable, too), and the notion operated under is "free market". Meaning, i am free to tell my boss that what he is paying me is not enough, and that I will leave for a company who will pay me what i want. Now he can either negotiate that pay with me, or refuse to budge. In your "system", the compay would be hogtied by its pay ratios, and unable to compete with a company that could pay more total wages, thus making each "rung" a bit higher than its competitors.

Eventually, you distill all commerce into the hands of a few companies that were able to grow because no talent would work anywhere else for half the wages.

Beyond that, it is unthinkable to suggest that a person owning a company would have his assets allocated by the government and not himself. Is it his money, or Uncle Sam's?
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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx

Why respond in that way?

What he said is true. Having 75k makes you no more 'free' than someone earning 70k or 30k. You can, as he stated, cover your servitude a little easier though.

He's made a good point and you respond with asinine sarcasm. Why?

People who have a lot of money have little else to do other than worry about how they'll lose it. The rest is a distraction.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
As predicted...
www.washingtontimes.com...

Just three months ago, Mr. Price made headlines after he announced he would give all 120 of his employees a minimum salary of $70,000, slashing his own $1 million pay check to pay for it. He made the drastic decision to address the wage gap.

Now Mr. Price says the decision has cost him a few customers and two of his “most valued” employees, who quit after newer, less skilled employees ended up with bigger salary hikes than those who had been working longer for the company.


This is rich...

“He gave raises to people who have the least skills and are the least equipped to do the job, and the ones who were taking on the most didn’t get much of a a bump,” said Maisey McMaster, 26, Gravity’s financial manager, the Times reported.

Ms. McMaster, who has now quit the company, said that when she approached Mr. Price with her concerns about the wage changes, he treated her as if she was being selfish.

“That really hurt me,” she said, the Times reported. “I was taking about not only me, but everyone.”

Grant Moran, 29, also quit after the pay changes were enacted.

“Now the people who were just clocking in and out were making the same as me,” he told The Times. “It shackles high performers to less motivated team members.”


It's our old friend "everybody gets a medal for participating" that has rocketed our nation's schools to the bottom of every international list! What's that, old friend? Oh, you want to remind us that when everybody's special, no one is? Yes, well, we already knew that... huh? Oh, you have a new message? You say when everybody gets rewarded the same regardless of how much or how little effort they put in at work, nobody will put in the extra effort? Oh, silly you! Yes, we all know socialism is a complete failure because it has demonstrably failed everywhere it has been affected... but yeah, America is different. No, no, old friend, don't leave. I didn't intend to spew my drink on you, my laughter was not under my control and I truly did think you were making a funny when you said "America is different."

Excuse me.

You are using the Washington Times. A conservative-slanted paper that has never made a profit. A paper that was started by Sun Myung Moon and now run & funded by the Unification Church. This paper was started out of spite, because the Washington Post gave the church bad press. It is a terrible, worthless source.

You might suggest that a source ought not be dismissed. Well, this one can be. Want proof? Read your article:

Dan Price, the 31-year-old CEO of credit-card processing firm Gravity Payments, told The New York Times that things have gotten so bad for him financially that he’s been forced to rent out his own house to make ends meet.

“I’m working as hard as I ever worked to make it work,” he said, The Times reported Friday. “I’m renting out my house right now to try to make ends meet myself.”

This article says that Mr. Price told the New York Times something quite specific. It even helpfully links to the NYT article... where you will not see Mr. Price telling the NYT any such thing.

The article is lying to your face and you didn't even notice.

e: You might also read that NYT article to see some hilarity like this:

Leah Brajcich, who oversees sales at Gravity, fielded complaints from several customers who accused her boss of communist or socialist sympathies that would drive up their own employees’ wages and others who felt it was a public relations stunt. A few were worried that fees would rise or service would fall off. “What’s their incentive to hustle if you pay them so much?” Ms. Brajcich said they asked. Putting in 80-hour weeks after the announcement, she called the mistrustful clients, stopping by their offices or stores, and invited them to visit Gravity to see for themselves the employees’ dedication. She said she eventually lured most back.

e: or this:

If there was a 19th-century thinker Mr. Price drew inspiration from, it would be not Karl Marx, but Russell Conwell, the Baptist minister and Temple University founder, whose famed “Acres of Diamonds” speech fused Christianity and capitalism.

See, there's something that Washington Times article doesn't bother to mention... Mr. Price grew up quite religious:

His parents instilled a sense of purpose. “We had a family mission” to glorify God, he said. The household was run as a “family business” with jobs and responsibilities carefully set out in charts and diagrams. “All my siblings hated it, but I thought it was cool,” Mr. Price said with a laugh.

Mr. Price is no longer so religious, but the values and faith he grew up on are “in my DNA,” he said. “It’s just something that’s part of me.”

I would suggest the original NYT article rather than that garbage in the OP.
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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: corvuscorrax
The workforce is full of people desperately working for nicer shackles. Quite sad really.

They'll point out how they worked so hard for their nice, ornate pair of shackles and tell those with the crude looking ones to work harder and have some self-respect and they one day too can earn a nice pair of shackles.

Is their anything more pathetic than a slave who thinks he's free?


then go out into some wilderness area all alone, live off the land, and you be free of those "pair of shackles". nobody is stopping you.


There's this thing called federal and private property. Every bit of land in this country falls under one of those two categories.

But I wouldn't expect someone who claims to be independent when they're ENTIRELY dependent on their job to understand that.
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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: corvuscorrax


Is their anything more pathetic than a slave who thinks he's free?

Yes, there is. Free people likening themselves to 'slaves'. Get real.


Your version of free is more like 2-3 choices that all end with dependence on someone be it your employer, your family, or your warden.

But hey call it freedom

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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: corvuscorrax



There's this thing called federal and private property. Every bit of land in this country falls under one of those two categories.

Huh?
www.oregon.gov...
lands.wyo.gov...
lands.nv.gov...



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: corvuscorrax



There's this thing called federal and private property. Every bit of land in this country falls under one of those two categories.

Huh?
www.oregon.gov...
lands.wyo.gov...
lands.nv.gov...


I know people love to idealize the state but they're no better than the feds in my book.

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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 07:29 PM
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a reply to: corvuscorrax




I know people love to idealize the state but they're no better than the feds in my book.

No idealization.
There are 3 (at least) classifications of land ownership. I guess counties and cities don't apply though.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6


nice of you to ignore the fact that the ones complaining, weren't complaining before the change. they obviously thought what they were being paid was fair. but when they thought those "beneath them" were being paid the same, that's when the sht hit the fan. fair assumption?



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 07:41 PM
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originally posted by: corvuscorrax

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: corvuscorrax


Is their anything more pathetic than a slave who thinks he's free?

Yes, there is. Free people likening themselves to 'slaves'. Get real.


Your version of free is more like 2-3 choices that all end with dependence on someone be it your employer, your family, or your warden.

But hey call it freedom

Well, I don't even have two of the three choices you offered. No one owns me. I am never forced to work, for pay or otherwise.

I get pissed when I hear an NFL player making millions, whining about being a slave. It's worse than sad, it's downright disrespectful to anyone who is or ever was a slave.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: Question Fate

That is a fair assumption, but are those people wrong? Honestly, if you bust your ass everyday and suddenly your boss takes all the folks "below" you on the ladder and compensates them equally to you completely neglecting any merit raises and merit benefits you had earned, would you be peachy with that?

We're humans... We compare ourselves to each other in all things. Ironic that the same people who are in this thread arguing against a worker weighing their salary against those beneath him on the ladder, claiming that comparison or weighing is selfish are doing the same exact thing in reverse by bitching about corporate executive pay being XYZ-times the pay of their entry level employees.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:43 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: SubTruth



Progressive logic fails.......Progressive ideals fail......Progressives do not see the big picture because ideology blinds them.

Just like how the people who follow capitalist ideology are too blind to see that capitalism fails also. Capitalism only works when it is heavily regulated.


So, since we are so heavily regulated, your version of "capitalism" must be working now, right?


There is very little regulation that is being enforced due to austerity measures and political will. Anti-Trust laws on the books are not enforced - thank you r raygun among others.

The US is hardly 'heavily regulated'. Ignoring regulations is just a 'cost of doing business' and for smaller businesses there is no personel to verify compliance.



Uh-huh ... you go right on believing that. It doesn't make it true.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:44 PM
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originally posted by: Question Fate
a reply to: burdman30ott6


nice of you to ignore the fact that the ones complaining, weren't complaining before the change. they obviously thought what they were being paid was fair. but when they thought those "beneath them" were being paid the same, that's when the sht hit the fan. fair assumption?


Work your butt off earning your way several rungs up the ladder over the course of a decade or so putting in long hours and then watch your boss wipe out all that effort with a wave of his hand and come back and tell us how you feel.

The one person earned their wage the hard way and the other had it handed to them. For the first guy, the process of earning his way up starts all over again. What he had earned before was just invalidated and it doesn't sound like he's got anywhere to go now. He's dead end in that spot.

Let's put it another way: If you put in all the time and effort to make yourself an Olympic Gold Medalist and earned one of those medals and then two years later they just handed them out to everyone who wanted one, how would you feel about it?
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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:50 PM
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a reply to: Hefficide

Heff, I'm using my phone here, so this reply is going to be more brief than I'd like.

1. I don't know what the employees who left are doing. I can't seem to find much on them aside from the fact that they hit the bricks quickly and, apparently, angrily.
2. Expecting to make a level of compensation equal to you effort AND expecting it to be some measure above the earnings of another who either doesn't work as hard, has fewer work responsibilities, or has less experience than you isn't a feeling of "entitlement.". Entitlement is "I can't make ends meet flipping burgers at $7.50/hr and finding a better paying job require more effort for me, burger flipping should pay me more because I exist."
3. You know, I challenge you to find a single example of me ever criticisng someone for quitting a job they felt paid them less than they were worth. You won't find it, because I've never done it. I've criticized people quitting to sit on welfare and I have always been open and frank in saying I think the artificially regulated protections of unions which allow angry workers to strike while ensuring they don't lose their job for it are horsecrap... but I've never criticized a worker for quitting one job to take a different one which closer meets their goals. That's capitalism and by God its also taking personal responsibility. I love and regard both of those things above anything this era of entitlements and meritless demands has to offer.



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