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Seattle CEO Who set Company Minimum Salary at $70k/yr Struggling

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posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: EternalSolace

I think any sufficiently noble society's goal should be to maximize the human potential.


But what if individuals within that society don't wish to participate in a collective goal?



I say too bad, because those individuals are benefiting from society. If you don't want to contribute to the goal, go join another society where you do.

Back in the day the worst punishment ever handed out to people was exile, it was considered more harsh than even the death penalty. This is because humans are innately interdependent on each other. Working only for yourself or your family is the worst possible thing a person can do.


You can't hold the entire planet hostage like that. I was not born to be enslaved in a collective.




posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:43 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
But when the company remains people over profit. you end up with places like Hobby Lobby who them follow business practices the rest of the world would prefer they didn't.

Either a you want a business who does not run all for profit or you do ... which is it?

Once upon a time, I worked for Hobby Lobby's owner's son's company. Said company had very close ties with Hobby Lobby, using its warehouses and such.

It paid rather poorly to everyone below the corporate level. Managers didn't even bother doing yearly reviews... I think I had two in the 5.5 years I worked there. Their idea of a Christian company seemed to be that of pushing their employees towards poverty.

Now? I'm a programmer who earns way more than any manager there did.
edit on 17Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:45:53 -0500America/ChicagovAmerica/Chicago8 by Greven because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:44 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

One can't deny that a job at McDonald's isn't tailored to teenagers to teach work ethic and responsibility. I don't deny that in the least bit. Teenagers aren't the only one to work those jobs though. I can only say this in respect to me personally, but even if I could work at a McDonald's and still be on a level financially that I am now, I couldn't accept that. I wasn't raised that way. I'm capable of more, and I desire to do more.

The best example I can come up with is a college student. They work in service at a restaurant or in fast food, while they're earning their education. I don't see why a job in service can't be enough sustain them out of poverty while they're learning the skills to better themselves.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Vector99
I'm also having a really hard time finding a legitimate source to him renting out his house, sounds like the BS source used in the OP maybe made it up.


Watch the video on your NYT link. Price says it himself: "I'm trying really hard to make this work right now. I'm even renting out my house just to make ends meet." about 2 minutes into the video.

fair enough
I honestly only read the article, didn't watch the video. Whoopsie!



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

Are you sure? many people by their own estimation are working hard. Just about everyone considers themselves to be an above average worker, and to do more than their peers. Grading your peers as not working as hard and being slackers is a subjective concept and it is completely related to who else is on your team.


absolutely wrong.
there is nothing subjective about it.
people either get their work done or they dont.

some people just dont work hard/fast, whatever. they do as little as they can.

it really pisses me off when people slack and every company has loads of people that do it.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: Greven

I didn't "miss it" the first time, I simply didn't find your post worthy of comment from me. The article's facts are the same whether it is from the Washington Times, Fox News, Infogeek, or the New York Times.

I can also scrounge up dozens of examples of people claiming true Christianity is socialist and Jesus was a socialist, if you're claiming the two are automatically different. I'd rather not do this, because I'm not really that into arguing religion right now.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Exile, however, is far too extreme of a principal to attach to this discussion. We're not talking about any form of exile. We're talking about self reliance and self motivation. Exile dictates that the exiled trader cannot even re-enter a community to trade goods and services. Exile runs afoul of capitalism.


If you're able to trade in a society you are making use of their monetary policy, economic situation, roads, infrastructure, and other things. There is and should be a cost to doing that. Preventing wealth inequality from going too far out of whack is part of that.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

you just touched on why this is a hot topic: how many people graduated college by kicking their own ass for 4-5 years? They sacrificed immensely compared to those who didn't go. They truly "earned" their degree. They know it can be done, because they did it. And they scoff at the notion that it is impossible.

Generations past were raised on the notion that if you want something, you have to earn it. Nothing is free. The Green Ribbon society has all but killed that notion.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:49 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
But as it stands, if i can make the same with all the stress of a McDonalds CSR....then ill just eliminate my stress and work at McDonalds.


Could you accept that for yourself though?

I've worked in several career fields in my life, looking for something that satisfied and fulfilled me. I finally chose EMS as my career path and couldn't be more happy with that choice. Being as stressful as it is, if I were making $50k as an EMT, and could do something easier like work at McDonald's making $50k, I'd still choose my ambulance any day.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: Mugly
some people just dont work hard/fast, whatever. they do as little as they can.

it really pisses me off when people slack and every company has loads of people that do it.


Then put in their contract that they need to do more. Or put them on performance improvement plans. Or let them go.

There is only one person to blame if a person is slacking on the job, and that's the manager. It's their job to prevent that.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: EternalSolace

you just touched on why this is a hot topic: how many people graduated college by kicking their own ass for 4-5 years? They sacrificed immensely compared to those who didn't go. They truly "earned" their degree. They know it can be done, because they did it. And they scoff at the notion that it is impossible.

Generations past were raised on the notion that if you want something, you have to earn it. Nothing is free. The Green Ribbon society has all but killed that notion.


And busting their ass is awesome and it should afford them the ability to enjoy the finer things in life. That's why they've worked so hard to accomplish that and buy that $500k home.

But I just can't accept that someone else who didn't should be denied the basics in life.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: burdman30ott6

But you shouldn't have to moonlight. You should, by virtue of being a card carrying member of the collective of "Society", be entitled to "a living wage". Which means full cable and internet, a new car, cell phone with plenty of data, and yearly vacations in the bahamas.

To get my wife through nursing school, we had to let our car be repo'd. I worked 40hrs a week as a CNA, and another 40hrs a week as a home health CNA. The second job was in trade for an old panel van. So my family would still hvae some way to get around town. I also did side jobs mowing and odd jobs for some extra cash, so we could enjoy things like food. But we got her through nursing school, and earned a living wage with hard work and sacrifice.

Life is hard. No one owes you anything you haven't earned.


awesome post my friend.
i agree with all of it.

i dont get why people these days feel like they deserve all this # and that wages should jut be handed to them
living wage this...the economy that.
you are not entitled to anything. what the hell happened to working for it.

i am appalled at some of the work habits i see these days. for the life of me i can not figure out how these people still have jobs.
i have to make my rounds around the foundry a couple times a day and i constantly see the same few people ducking away and 'hiding out' in different spots.
we have a no cell phone policy on the floor but i see it all the time.

these dudes will duck behind a pile of scrap and be texting on their phone and hitting their e cig...happens a lot.

no work ethic at all. i guess the company is to blame for part of it cause they tolerate it.
if it were up to me half the dudes i work with would be gone.

im with you though.
when my wife was pregnant we were in a 400 square foot 1 bedroom.
we wanted a house so i dug in.
i was doing 18 hour shifts 20-30 days straight. take a day off and do it again.

in the end, we got what we wanted. i didnt see my wife much during the pregnancy but now we are good to go.
we got through it and now im mon-fri, 7-3:30 and all is well.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
If you're able to trade in a society you are making use of their monetary policy, economic situation, roads, infrastructure, and other things. There is and should be a cost to doing that.


Yes, I pay this thing called "taxes" where I live. Not sure how this is covered in your neck of the woods. Not that these "taxes" are exactly a fair thing, either, especially when you consider a family of 4 making under $50,000 a year actually pays a negative net income tax in the US... I'm sort of left wondering exactly why only those of us over that threshold should be paying the costs and, more importantly, why we should be eager to increase those costs on ourselves?



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
But as it stands, if i can make the same with all the stress of a McDonalds CSR....then ill just eliminate my stress and work at McDonalds.


Could you accept that for yourself though?

I've worked in several career fields in my life, looking for something that satisfied and fulfilled me. I finally chose EMS as my career path and couldn't be more happy with that choice. Being as stressful as it is, if I were making $50k as an EMT, and could do something easier like work at McDonald's making $50k, I'd still choose my ambulance any day.


My job is a crucible. It has taken its toll on my family and my health. People who do what i do don't typically have spouses that work, if they have families at all. And my desire to be a parent and husband, while being an executive, has been more difficult than the struggle to get out of minimum wage work was.

Would I accept that for myself? Not yet....but i could see a future where I would. Being able to take days off would be fantastic.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:56 PM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace
Could you accept that for yourself though?


Scads less stress, less responsibility, set in stone working hours, the ability to "turn off" when my office day is done and not have my work stuck in my head... all for the same pay? Show me where to sign up for that vacation.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Mugly
some people just dont work hard/fast, whatever. they do as little as they can.

it really pisses me off when people slack and every company has loads of people that do it.


Then put in their contract that they need to do more. Or put them on performance improvement plans. Or let them go.

There is only one person to blame if a person is slacking on the job, and that's the manager. It's their job to prevent that.


believe me, i it were up to me they would be gone.
i just made a post before i read this. it is the fault of the lazy ass worker cause they are doing it and it is the fault of the company for letting it happen.

i work for a pretty big outfit. my foundry does not employ a lot at this location but there is one in texas, france, and south africa too. in total there are a lot of employees.

it drives me crazy.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

I couldn't accept that. I couldn't accept not doing something that doesn't utilize my full potential.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

i have so many other things i have talent in that i could focus on, though. I'd love to have the time to dive into art. I want to paint. I want to make pottery.

Maybe just be able to take my son hunting again. Its been awhile since i could take a few days out of range of cell service and internet. Even my "vacation days" see me working about 2 hours a day



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: burdman30ott6

I couldn't accept that. I couldn't accept not doing something that doesn't utilize my full potential.


Everything in life has a trade off. I see me utilizing my full career potential as being in conflict with my potential as a father, a husband, an outdoorsman, a fly tyer, a writer, an artist, a craftsman, etc. Essentially, the paycheck is the only thing that keeps that potential utilized over all of the potentials I have to place on the back burner when my career calls for it.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: EternalSolace

you just touched on why this is a hot topic: how many people graduated college by kicking their own ass for 4-5 years? They sacrificed immensely compared to those who didn't go. They truly "earned" their degree. They know it can be done, because they did it. And they scoff at the notion that it is impossible.

Generations past were raised on the notion that if you want something, you have to earn it. Nothing is free. The Green Ribbon society has all but killed that notion.


And busting their ass is awesome and it should afford them the ability to enjoy the finer things in life. That's why they've worked so hard to accomplish that and buy that $500k home.

But I just can't accept that someone else who didn't should be denied the basics in life.


OK, but they didn't work hard even though they knew what working hard would let them do ... so who chose not do what was necessary for the basics?

It's one thing to want to help out those who are truly incapable of doing for themselves. I have absolutely no problem doing that - the infirm, the disabled, the elderly.

But to look at those who made the choice to screw around and then decide they are entitled to stuff because they breathe even though they could have chosen to do for themselves and still could ... That's where I start to draw the line. At some point, they made their bed and need to lie in it.



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