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originally posted by: danielsil18
a reply to: Cuervo
Bu you can only know God if you have faith in him.
Not believing in God is also proof that the Bible is true because it says that Satan is the greatest liar and he obviously lied to you about God not existing. The proof is in the Bible.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: danielsil18
The proof is the Bible because the Bible is the word of God.
Ok so I would concede that if God exist then his word is true, but what makes you think he exist and what makes you think the Bible is his word?
originally posted by: beezzer
originally posted by: danielsil18
a reply to: beezzer
Everyone having faith is proof the God is real because he created all of us with faith so we all could find him before dying.
God may believe in everyone, but everyone doesn't believe in God.
"Do you not understand what horrible things are going to happen? To YOU, physically and emotionally for ALL ETERNITY?
All you had to do was say, 'I accept Jesus and I'm a hopeless sinner' - that was IT! That was all you have to do.
*listens* Wait..."works"? Excuse me? I don't even know what that i...
oh hold on. Okay, yeah that's that weird idea that you have to actually DO THINGS Nonono - faith alone. That's all!! (Pretty straightforward. No biggie.)
*listens* Oh, well, what do you mean you were baptized as an infant! Pffffttahhhaa! What?! That doesn't count. That's like the tradition in the Catholic Church (and some of it's poser offshoots like the Episcopalians, etc) --- how can a baby know they accept Jesus?? Those Catholics aren't Christians anyway - for Pete's sake, the Black Pope is in charge now! Do you know what that even IS??? That's the Jesuit bad guy - the Sith Lord - the Antichrist's messenger.
*listens* Pahaha!!! No, I don't believe that. You are claiming : that: Babies were baptized as infants so in case they died before age 1 they wouldn't go to Purgator----? oh - wait - limbo? WHAT? Nono, you have to be of reasonable age and consciously choose to accept Jesus. How could a baby do that? Pffft.
anyway, that's neither here nor there. I'm really mostly worried about your soul ---
do you really not care if you wind up in hell? I'd hate to know you were there, because I care about you, my brother, and it would be horrible for me in heaven to imagine you writhing in agony forever and not a da-- darn thing I can do about it, ever.
Because, you know, I love you. And I don't want you to endure that rude awakening, so - would you PLEASE behave before it's too late? STOP with the music and drinking and enjoying yourself.
I'll pray for you.
Your sister in Christ
You are wrong when you say that there are no reasons to believe in God.
Why do you go to school? to have a better future. Same with believing in God.
Not only will God help you have a better life, but you will live happy for eternity in Heaven.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: danielsil18
You are wrong when you say that there are no reasons to believe in God.
Why do you go to school? to have a better future. Same with believing in God.
Not only will God help you have a better life, but you will live happy for eternity in Heaven.
This is an argument from omniscience . You are pretending as though you know his motives. Not logical, and doesn't count as any form of argument.
"Do you not understand what horrible things are going to happen? To YOU, physically and emotionally for ALL ETERNITY?
All you had to do was say, 'I accept Jesus and I'm a hopeless sinner' - that was IT! That was all you have to do.
*listens* Wait..."works"? Excuse me? I don't even know what that i...
oh hold on. Okay, yeah that's that weird idea that you have to actually DO THINGS Nonono - faith alone. That's all!! (Pretty straightforward. No biggie.)
*listens* Oh, well, what do you mean you were baptized as an infant! Pffffttahhhaa! What?! That doesn't count. That's like the tradition in the Catholic Church (and some of it's poser offshoots like the Episcopalians, etc) --- how can a baby know they accept Jesus?? Those Catholics aren't Christians anyway - for Pete's sake, the Black Pope is in charge now! Do you know what that even IS??? That's the Jesuit bad guy - the Sith Lord - the Antichrist's messenger.
*listens* Pahaha!!! No, I don't believe that. You are claiming : that: Babies were baptized as infants so in case they died before age 1 they wouldn't go to Purgator----? oh - wait - limbo? WHAT? Nono, you have to be of reasonable age and consciously choose to accept Jesus. How could a baby do that? Pffft.
anyway, that's neither here nor there. I'm really mostly worried about your soul ---
do you really not care if you wind up in hell? I'd hate to know you were there, because I care about you, my brother, and it would be horrible for me in heaven to imagine you writhing in agony forever and not a da-- darn thing I can do about it, ever.
Because, you know, I love you. And I don't want you to endure that rude awakening, so - would you PLEASE behave before it's too late? STOP with the music and drinking and enjoying yourself.
I'll pray for you.
Your sister in Christ
originally posted by: danielsil18
a reply to: Cuervo
So you think this Universe was created by nothing?
originally posted by: danielsil18
originally posted by: beezzer
originally posted by: danielsil18
a reply to: beezzer
Everyone having faith is proof the God is real because he created all of us with faith so we all could find him before dying.
God may believe in everyone, but everyone doesn't believe in God.
Everyone not believing in God is proof that God created free will.
It being created from nothing is just as likely as it being created from god.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
So I believe that it is helpful to swap your role on occasion. In this thread I would like the atheist/agnostic to argue from the other side. Try and present a convincing argument for God. The Christians should play the role of the atheist and explain why the argument is unconvincing. I believe this increases understanding from both sides. So lets play.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: danielsil18
Why couldnt this world have came into creation by random chance? The things you view as order in the universe are merely our mathematical descriptions of how the world works. We made up symbols and ideas to create a description of a recurring pattern in nature. This doesn't mean that nature is designed just the language we use to describe it.