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Sanders Makes History With 2016 Cycle's Biggest Campaign Event Yet

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posted on Jul, 31 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: CranialSponge

But doesn't Barrack Obama disprove what your saying? Just because Ron Paul failed don't mean Bernie will, In every single step up he made in government he came is as the underdog, then won!




posted on Jul, 31 2015 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire



But doesn't Barrack Obama disprove what your saying?


Obama is a corporate puppet, hence the reason why he got in.

ACA ?
TPP ?

Just to give a couple of examples off the top of my head.

His policies scream loud and clear as to who signs his paycheques.



posted on Jul, 31 2015 @ 08:12 PM
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a reply to: ChiefD



Aw damn, I see what you're saying, but I hope you're wrong! I totally respect your opinion.


Oh believe me, I really really hope I'm wrong. I would jump for joy on my rooftop to see a non-puppet get voted in, and I'm not even an American !

But dammit, it seems like the same pattern is getting repeated election cycle after election cycle.

My own country has this same bloody crap going on too.

*sigh*



posted on Jul, 31 2015 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: CranialSponge

You don't think John McCain or Romney wasn't as well?



posted on Jul, 31 2015 @ 08:24 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire



You don't think John McCain or Romney wasn't as well?


Sorry, I've read your question three times but am not sure what you're asking because of the double negative in the same sentence...

Are you asking if I think they were or weren't corporate-bought ?



posted on Jul, 31 2015 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: CranialSponge

You don't think John McCain or Romney wasn't as well?

I think what they are saying is this...

If a candidate gets past the primaries, it is because they were allowed to.

So yes, McCain and Romney were also puppets, NO MORE AND NO LESS SO THAN OBAMA.
edit on 31-7-2015 by Punisher75 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 31 2015 @ 10:37 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Kapusta

Maybe. It's very plausible that Rand is being groomed, and Bernie is the coach to help him learn the ropes


Unfortunately, while there are many issues that socialists and libertarians can agree and work together on, the ideologies are miles apart. While both would support 'individual liberty' they would differ extensively on how to achieve that goal.

And as for the younger Paul, he isn't half the man his dad is. Maybe someday ... but not anwhere close today.



posted on Aug, 1 2015 @ 12:50 AM
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Isn't this the guy who apologized for saying "white lives matter" ?

Nevermind. That was Martin O'Malley. I need to pay more attention to Sanders. He seems like the Rand Paul on the left. Solid.
edit on 8/1/2015 by TheLegend because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 1 2015 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: FyreByrd

I didn't support Obama in 2008, but I knew he would win based on the huge crowds he was drawing. The only candidate to date drawing huge crowds is Bernie.

Bernie Sanders running as a Democratic Socialist could cause the republican party to abandon the only catering to the far right and conservatives, this group will not win you a national election. Time will tell.


I don't quite understand this. Ron Paul advocates Austrian economics. Do you know what that entails? One can't be well informed and support both Sanders and Ron Paul. The two viewpoints are diametrically opposed. Matter and antimatter. If Ron Paul had a magic wand he'd get rid of every single government program for working people and those without jobs. He'd get rid of medicare, social security and public education. He's a crackpot. He also doesn't understand how capitalism actually works. There cant be "no war" with capitalism. His anti-war rhetoric is empty, unless he actually admitted "free market" capitalism isn't possible because coercion will always be necessary in order for market expansion. For "free trade" to take place. To make safe conditions for investing. Safe for big business the world over. Including energy companies, tech firms, industrial production etc.

Sanders on the other hand isn't even a socialist. The policies he's advocating now and while in office are basic liberalism in the early 20'th century. He's what actual liberals should be. A socialist he is not. That's how far rightward this nation has turned. Like this silly little man here calling himself a "socialist":

www.youtube.com...

He doesn't even know what socialism is. Like Sanders he's a liberal with some social democratic views:

en.wikipedia.org...

Neither is advocating an end to capitalism as we know it. They're more in line with social liberalism. Sanders is also a tad more honest with himself about war. I think he supports the Pentagons general objectives. Not always, but much of the time. So in this sense he's like an actual liberal who supports "social justice" and will tolerate some war here and there because he understands how capitalism works. Even further, since he understands how capitalism works he advocates social programs and a higher level of income equality. I'd vote for him but wouldn't do so thinking he'd be some socialist president.


Anyhow, American politics is the theater of the absurd. The right wing messed up when they labeled Obama a socialist. They blew that wad! Now what are they going to do? "OK, now an actual real socialist is running...communism!". The boy who cried wolf. Anyhow, in reality, Sanders popularity mighty signal a shift in the democrat party, as in, more of them might actually go back to being liberals on economic matters. Time will tell if people like Warren and Sanders end up forcing a shift back to actual liberal policies. Reversing Bill Clinton's "triangulation" policy. Which meant he would sound liberal on some social views while adopting right wing economic policies. That needs to come to an end. When this shift happened it was because the democrats thought Reagan's administration had things right and they'd have to copy Reagan's Neoliberal economic views in order to win/hold office. It was a total sham. In reality Democrats openly sold out top Wall St. Most people, Republican and Democrat, wont admit this (that Democrats have represented the "1%" since Clinton's presidency). Will Sanders reverse this? Not sure if he can.



posted on Aug, 1 2015 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: JeanPaul

Hmmm.

Maybe a better approach is to apply everything you say in the opposite direction.




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:10 AM
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originally posted by: TheLegend
Isn't this the guy who apologized for saying "white lives matter" ?

Nevermind. That was Martin O'Malley. I need to pay more attention to Sanders. He seems like the Rand Paul on the left. Solid.


What the corporate establishment or financial aristocracy wants is a president who will follow the (economic) Washington Consensus abroad, follow the Pentagons directives and implement corporate friendly policies here in America. You know, people like Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama. They want (and pay for) a legislative branch as we've seen since the 1970's.

I don't think Sanders can win. If he did win I fear he would go the same route as the British Labour Party. You know, the so called "leftist" party that supported the Iraq war, that accepted austerity and basically gave in to Thatcher/Reagan's neoliberalism. Tony Blair's "New Labour" Party. What would Sanders do if he actually won office? I'd be willing to bet a "national security" issue would come up and he'd sell more war to "leftists". In the meantime his left/liberal economic views would take a back seat to the same old corporate controlled storyline. Overshadowed by a media cycle of perpetual fear and infotainment. He'd be a one term president. He might be able to raise the federal minimum wage but that should have been done long ago. He might be able to help students out some (loans/tuition). He'd probably also continue the spotlight on our nations prison problem or the problem with our laws/"justice" system. I don't think Sanders would be able to do much as far as economic policies. Obama had that chance with the financial crisis and he pushed Wall St bail outs then mandated a corporate healthcare scam.


I'd vote for sanders just for the "what ifs". What if he actually pushed the democrat Party back to being economically left? There's a small chance he would try. An even smaller chance he'd succeed. I'd take that chance and vote for him. I usually don;t vote for president because it's such a joke.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:14 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: JeanPaul

Hmmm.

Maybe a better approach is to apply everything you say in the opposite direction.





Your sig says it all. You get your reality from FOX News/Glen Beck and whatnot. "Saul Alinsky tactics". "International Marxist/corporatist agenda". Ya, OK, corporations are socialist! I can't take you seriously. Do you really think corporations are trying to set up communism?



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:17 AM
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a reply to: JeanPaul

The 10 Planks are implementing.

Just ask any international corporation.




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 12:19 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: JeanPaul

The 10 Planks are implementing.

Just ask any international corporation.





No habla gibberish.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 01:37 AM
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originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: LDragonFire



But doesn't Barrack Obama disprove what your saying?


Obama is a corporate puppet, hence the reason why he got in.

ACA ?
TPP ?

Just to give a couple of examples off the top of my head.

His policies scream loud and clear as to who signs his paycheques.


Right, those things happened while he has been in office. You think he was a corporate puppet before the election? He was a long shot and won on the emotions of the public. Bernie's a long shot and if he ends up winning it will be because of his emotional pull on the public. The core of both is the "lets win one for the real folks" trigger.



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