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IRS Fines Millions for Not Having Obamacare

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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: Sunwolf

The Republicans should have told America they wouldn't be able to do anything before they were elected ... because it seems to me they lied.




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:30 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Sunwolf

The Republicans should have told America they wouldn't be able to do anything before they were elected ... because it seems to me they lied.


They also emphasized a super majority would be necessary.

Look it up.

And wait for 2016 !!!



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I stand corrected, I think they don't have unlimited access, but there were reports that it will be harder for you to enroll without bank accounts. Looks like govt have given the power to private insurance companies.



The problem is that the vast majority of insurance companies require individuals to pay their monthly premiums via automatic withdrawal from a checking account. This means if you don’t have a checking account, you can’t get insurance.


The Affordable Care Act & The Unbanked, Part I



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:49 PM
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"Look it up" ... because you can't QUOTE anything like that? LOL.

Naw, let's see what they really said:



Republicans didn’t offer an overarching agenda or platform to voters during the 2014 midterm elections and party leaders were careful to avoid sweeping policy declarations when they fanned out across the morning T.V. talk shows to celebrate their victory on Wednesday. Instead, they promised to compromise with the president.

“It’s really important that our leaders in the legislature now set-up real achievable goals that are simple, that we can define for the American people,” Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus explained on MSNBC’s Morning Joe when asked how the party would position itself for the 2016 presidential election. Priebus stressed that Congressional Republicans must focus on “achievable things, work with the president, get those things done, repeat and repeat and repeat.”


Or how about ...



Sen. Jerry Moran (R-KS), the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, who oversaw the party pick-up as many as nine seats in the Senate to win the majority, was similarly cautious. “I think the mandate is about let’s see some accomplishments and I think that’s what you saw candidates across the country do, roll up our sleeves, let’s see what we can do together, and let’s demonstrate to the American people that we can actually work to accomplish for the good of the country,” he told MSNBC.


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Hmmm ... nothing about a super-majority in there ... and this was right after the so-called "mandate" in November 2014.

Awww ... but they're just doing the typical Republican lying act to the Dems, right? After all that was only MSNBC.

But ... wait! They kept on saying it ... things like:



In Kansas recently, Republican Senator Pat Roberts, who’s in a tough race for reelection, made a statement that left me puzzled. “A vote for me is a vote to change the Senate back to a Republican majority, and we’ll get things done,” he said. “And it means a stop to the Obama agenda.”


The Atlantic - October 2014

Still though, The Atlantic is still just a bunch of socialists, right? What about something a little more ... scewed to the right?

Fine ... let's try cnsnews.com, eh? (Also known as "The Right News, Right Now!")



Every new GOP senator who won in last night’s election campaigned on repealing Obamacare.

Senators Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), David Perdue (R-Ga.), Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), James Lankford (R-Okla.), Steve Daines (R-Mont.), Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), and Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) all ran on a platform of repealing Obamacare.

Gardner touted patient-centered care and a full repeal and replacement of President Obama’s Affordable Care Act (ACA), otherwise known as Obamacare.


Indeed, Dr. Tom Cotton stated it clearly:



Cotton signed the Club for Growth’s “Repeal-It!” pledge which states, []b]“I hereby pledge to the people of my district/state upon my election to the U.S. House of Representatives/U.S. Senate to sponsor and support legislation to repeal any federal health care takeover passed in 2010, and replace it with real reforms that lower health care costs without growing government.”


Huh, imagine that. A pledge, even

Funny what happens when you actually QUOTE Republicans rather than just making dishonest claims about what they said.

Ain't it?


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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: VimanaExplorer
a reply to: Gryphon66

I stand corrected, I think they don't have unlimited access, but there were reports that it will be harder for you to enroll without bank accounts. Looks like govt have given the power to private insurance companies.



The problem is that the vast majority of insurance companies require individuals to pay their monthly premiums via automatic withdrawal from a checking account. This means if you don’t have a checking account, you can’t get insurance.


The Affordable Care Act & The Unbanked, Part I


I've paid my insurance online for years. I don't think the government gave insurance companies any greater ability to access your bank account than they've had.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:56 PM
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Here's the full list of the "Repeal It! Pledge" signers:

Full list of signers promising to Repeal Obamacare

Let's review what that Pledge says again ...



"I hereby pledge to the people of my district/state to sponsor and support legislation to repeal any federal health care takeover passed in 2010, and replace it with real reforms that lower health care costs without growing government."


Nope, nothing about a "super-majority" in there either, huh.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66
Now there you go again, putting words into someone's post that aren't there. The use of quotation marks means that you are quoting. This is really tiresome and unnecessary.
If you can't respond in an adult manner, just leave off, please.
Again, I have no use for either party, would like to see both banished to outer space were it not for the pollution they would spread out there. They both lie, cheat and steal at any opportunity. I'm tired of people who hold their thieves, liars and cheats up just because they have a donkey or an elephant residing beside their name.
My solution would be to abolish political parties and health care insurance except for catastrophic coverage, which in the past was called Major Medical coverage. Restore health savings accounts and allow people to chose their health care without being driven into BigPharma-driven medicine.
If you can't see and understand the situation beyond the party talking points, you are indeed part of the problem. This isn't about getting health care for people. It's about getting money into political campaigns and the coffers of insurance companies and BigPharma. Additionally, as VimanaExplorer has pointed out, it's really about ultimate power over everyone by knowing what is supposed to be privileged information between doctors and patients and bankers and clients.
The Dems own it and yet you want people to bash Republicans for it? This is the kind of twisted logic I simply don't grasp. When the Repubs own an issue---like stupid, endless wars, foreign and domestic---you'll see me criticizing them instead of the Dems, even though the Dems are equally complicit in those too but they didn't start them!

At least we can agree that it is a pile of crap that they're calling a law. I believe that the longer it goes on, the smellier it will get.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Dirty stinking Republican Liars.




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:20 PM
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Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the different ways quotation marks can be used in Standard English. (See Use of Quotation Marks for Emphasis



... to read these quotation marks in a way other than that obviously intended by the writer shows inflexibility on the part of the reader.


No one "put any words in your mouth," your own words are more than enough to place your mistakes on full display.

Respond in an adult manner? Pardon me, have you every noticed that key on the right most side of the home row? It's called "Enter."

Why don't you "leave off" (see, that's quotations marks used for "emphasis")? You're the one who's pestering me with errors that border on either blunt ignorance or blatant dishonesty! If you don't want to read what I write, move on MacDuff!

I'm not responsible for your reading comprehension problems. No one, including me, is "blaming Republicans" (now, see, that's an actual QUOTE) for the ACA. I have stated the connection between the Individual Mandate and Republican plans and philosophy.

I can't help it if they, and apparently you, have so short a memory as to deny today what was supported yesterday.

No, honestly, you and I don't agree on much at all. Indeed, since you are so offended by the way I write, why don't you "leave off" and reply to somoene else? I'm good with that.

Very good, actually.




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:23 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

Dirty stinking Republican Liars.



Really, that's all you've got? It's like you're not even trying.

What about the quote that the Republicans couldn't do anything without a super-majority? Why not start there?

Unless ... *gasp* you are one of those dirty stinking Republican Liars! NOOOOOO.

Say it's not so Xuenchen!



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 10:56 PM
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Regardless of your defense of the ACA,it is an abomination.Talking of lies,how about "if you like your Doctor,you can keep your Doctor" and "If you like your insurance,you can keep your insurance" not to mention"the average family will save $2500.00 in premiums in a year".Lies upon lies is all we have gotten from this administration and the demo party and you fault the republicans?Stick that in your beak.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: Sunwolf
Regardless of your defense of the ACA,it is an abomination.Talking of lies,how about "if you like your Doctor,you can keep your Doctor" and "If you like your insurance,you can keep your insurance" not to mention"the average family will save $2500.00 in premiums in a year".Lies upon lies is all we have gotten from this administration and the demo party and you fault the republicans?Stick that in your beak.


Speaking of lies, why do you overtly lie in post after post?

I have not defended the ACA, I have critiqued it at best, and criticised it more plainly.

I can't speak to the delusion that politicians don't lie.

I see no reason why you are, however, blatantly, time after time.

"Stick that in my beak" ... what, your garden-variety attempt at political discourse? LOL.

You're actually boring me to death.

ETA: Why don't you tell me what your "plan" is for healthcare, since your Republican buddies can't seem to come up with one?

Leave off the silly personal comments, and talk about the issue.

How will your plan cover the 20 million or so that now have insurance that didn't before?

How will you pay for your plan? What will you cut so as not to raise taxes?

How do you address the ever-increasing insurance rates that go up every year both before and after the ACA?

Go ahead, thrill us !


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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 11:08 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

"it's not so"




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 11:09 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

"it's not so"



Profound.

Not related to anything, but still ... profound.



PS: Found that supposed quote on the "super majority" yet? Were you just wrong?
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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

They've scrubbed it from the internet !!!

But I remember hearing it.




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 11:24 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

They've scrubbed it from the internet !!!

But I remember hearing it.



Must be the same folks doing photoshopping at Huffington Post!

Oh, well ... guess we'll have to go with the actual Republican quotes then.

Which were promises, of course, (some actually signed as pledges) that they were going to repeal the ACA and install their own plan, as well as working with Democrats on America's problems AND coming up with solutions based on their obviously superior economic understandings.

Oh well, it's only been what, almost a year. We can't expect too much from Republicans I guess ...

Like you said, governing is really hard.
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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 11:28 PM
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This is one of those weird issues where no matter what side of the argument you're on you can find the evidence on the internet to support it.

It's really hard to tell if Obamacare is helping or hurting most people.

Personally, my rates have not changed. That's good. I have had a few problems finding a doctor, but I think it was the actual healthcare provider...group of locations that was having a hard time hiring one. Once I went to another place, I got an appointment right away that was quick, and inexpensive and good.

My research is showing me that ObamaCAre is a success and is helping lot's of people.

However, search for ObamaCare and you're first dozen pages of google will be a confusing chaotic mess generally tinged with partisan propaganda. LOL The really funny thing is that the Obama care supporters will reply with links proving I'm right and the detractors or people who disagree with me will also reply with links proving I'm wrong! It's crazy! Way worse than Global warming!
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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 11:32 PM
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a reply to: amazing

About all we can say (by the way, my rates changed less in the last two years than ever before) aside from anecdotal evidence is that virtually every poll suggests that more people like it than don't.

It is a horrible patchwork thing ... and we could and should do so much better in America.



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 12:20 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Sunwolf
Regardless of your defense of the ACA,it is an abomination.Talking of lies,how about "if you like your Doctor,you can keep your Doctor" and "If you like your insurance,you can keep your insurance" not to mention"the average family will save $2500.00 in premiums in a year".Lies upon lies is all we have gotten from this administration and the demo party and you fault the republicans?Stick that in your beak.


Speaking of lies, why do you overtly lie in post after post?

I have not defended the ACA, I have critiqued it at best, and criticised it more plainly.

I can't speak to the delusion that politicians don't lie.

I see no reason why you are, however, blatantly, time after time.

"Stick that in my beak" ... what, your garden-variety attempt at political discourse? LOL.

You're actually boring me to death.

ETA: Why don't you tell me what your "plan" is for healthcare, since your Republican buddies can't seem to come up with one?

Leave off the silly personal comments, and talk about the issue.

How will your plan cover the 20 million or so that now have insurance that didn't before?

How will you pay for your plan? What will you cut so as not to raise taxes?

How do you address the ever-increasing insurance rates that go up every year both before and after the ACA?

Go ahead, thrill us !






It would have been easier and cheaper to just buy insurance policies for all the uninsured,but no,that was too simple.it had to be 20,000...2,000? pages of gobbledegook in order to maintain control.


And your solution is this mess?



posted on Aug, 3 2015 @ 12:29 AM
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Again, nope, this would not be my solution.

It would also not be my solution to do nothing.

As a start, I would have opened the doors of the Federal Employee Benefits Program to all Americans.

To pay for those who can't afford such a plan, build less drones and bombs.

/shrug






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