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IRS Fines Millions for Not Having Obamacare

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posted on Aug, 1 2015 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe

... aaand neither did you.




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 03:48 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Looool, that's your defense now. Telling me I didn't read it. Piece of crap law being defended by crap arguments.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 06:56 AM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: Gryphon66

Looool, that's your defense now. Telling me I didn't read it. Piece of crap law being defended by crap arguments.


You mean arguments like "if you didn't read every page, you can't talk about it"?

Yeah, that's a totally asinine argument; I agree.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 08:40 AM
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I'm disabled and have Medicare and Medicaid. I just got screwed because they changed the rules to what doctors I can see. I can no longer see the doctor of my choice. I have to pick a medical plan and see a doctor only on their list or they won't pay for it. I have to pay cash to see my doctor from now on and it won't be cheap. I've had this doctor for 20 years and I'm not changing.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 08:43 AM
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originally posted by: wantsome
I'm disabled and have Medicare and Medicaid. I just got screwed because they changed the rules to what doctors I can see. I can no longer see the doctor of my choice. I have to pick a medical plan and see a doctor only on their list or they won't pay for it. I have to pay cash to see my doctor from now on and it won't be cheap. I've had this doctor for 20 years and I'm not changing.


You can thank Republicans for changes to Medicare and Medicaid.

You should hope they don't cut the programs altogether, for that is certainly their fondest desire.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: wantsome
I'm disabled and have Medicare and Medicaid. I just got screwed because they changed the rules to what doctors I can see. I can no longer see the doctor of my choice. I have to pick a medical plan and see a doctor only on their list or they won't pay for it. I have to pay cash to see my doctor from now on and it won't be cheap. I've had this doctor for 20 years and I'm not changing.


You can thank Republicans for changes to Medicare and Medicaid.

You should hope they don't cut the programs altogether, for that is certainly their fondest desire.



ROFLOL



That is beyond all comments.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: wantsome
I'm disabled and have Medicare and Medicaid. I just got screwed because they changed the rules to what doctors I can see. I can no longer see the doctor of my choice. I have to pick a medical plan and see a doctor only on their list or they won't pay for it. I have to pay cash to see my doctor from now on and it won't be cheap. I've had this doctor for 20 years and I'm not changing.


You can thank Republicans for changes to Medicare and Medicaid.

You should hope they don't cut the programs altogether, for that is certainly their fondest desire.



ROFLOL



That is beyond all comments.



Then why did you comment?

You have proof to the contrary?



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: Gryphon66

Looool, that's your defense now. Telling me I didn't read it. Piece of crap law being defended by crap arguments.


You mean arguments like "if you didn't read every page, you can't talk about it"?

Yeah, that's a totally asinine argument; I agree.


No, if you didn't read ANY of it. Did you read any of it before you picked up the pompoms to cheer for it? I don't think you need to know all of it, but if you know any of it you'd recognize it's a terrible law.

I think we could possibly pull off single-payer, but I think it would stifle medical advancements. This law is terrible. The only reason to defend it is to defend the democratic party. The insurance companies made out on this law. Until they're out of the picture we're not escaping profiteering on healthcare.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: [post=19647888]xuenchen


Then why did you comment?

You have proof to the contrary?


BaaaHaHaHa

You assume beyond anything reasonable.

Asking for your magical "proof" before you prove anything.

And what law says I am commanded to answer all YOUR demanding questions anyway?

rule #24,975




posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I stated something that is COMMONLY KNOWN TO BE TRUE.

You implied, as usual, that established facts are not acceptable in your threads.

I've never demanded anything from you, how utterly foolish.

If you don't think you should back up what you say with facts, why not make a disclaimer at the beginning of your multiple crap posts:

"This is just more opinion-based BS, don't bother to interact if you like evidence and facts."

As the thread originator, you're giving me carte blanche to discuss the Republican attack on Medicare?

I'll be glad to, but it's off-topic.


edit on 9Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:45:49 -050015p092015866 by Gryphon66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 06:13 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

I stated something that is COMMONLY KNOWN TO BE TRUE.

You implied, as usual, that established facts are not acceptable in your threads.

I've never demanded anything from you, how utterly foolish.

If you don't think you should back up what you say with facts, why not make a disclaimer at the beginning of your multiple crap posts:

"This is just more opinion-based BS, don't bother to interact if you like evidence and facts."

As the thread originator, you're giving me carte blanche to discuss the Republican attack on Medicare?

I'll be glad to, but it's off-topic.



Perhaps you could just post the votes on the changes in the programs you mentioned?
Your gambit with linking the Heritage Council link didn't prove true so now you're wandering off to other things?
Seriously, both sides are in this for the money they can make from investing in BigPharma/Big Insurance. If you can't honestly see that you are wearing some sort of weird blinders.
Neither party gives a tinker's dam about your health or the care you receive. They care about getting their side re-elected and reaping the benefits that comes with the power they possess.
They are tickled to death when the corporate players find ways to increase the bottom line. Heck, as you saw, they're willing to give up part of the profit margin just to increase the numbers of folk who must write checks to insurance companies to avoid writing checks to government. That should give you a clue.
What next---You shall take a mortgage on your home or pay the government a fine for not contributing to the bankers' and insurance companies' wealth pool?



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt

So, perhaps you can tell me what the "endgame" of my "elaborate gambit" was, eh?

(PS, the facts of the connection between the Heritage Foundation, Republican "healthcare reform plans" and the Individual Mandate is clear for anyone to see who can read.)

For some, the more they assert that they're not about "party" the more they bash one side or the other.

ACA is one of the favorite of folks "who aren't about party" and yet bash the Democrats in everything they write.

Yet, they, like you, aren't telling the whole truth, while we're talking about truth when they make their statements.

Sure, it's crap legislation, for more reasons than just the Individual Mandate (which is indeed the point of this thread) and it doesn't matter how many times that's acknowledged. But it's helped 17-20+ million Americans that didn't have healthcare before, and the Republicans, to date have done NOTHING to change the law, or come up with something new.

So, there is a difference sometimes between "the parties."

This is one of them.
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posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 07:19 PM
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My main issue with the Not-So-Affordable-Care-act is that , they have full access to my bank account and data mine my medical history. Out entire constitution is written to protect us from big government, and this give away all your rights back to govt.

California's Obamacare exchange to collect insurance data on patients



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: diggindirt

So, perhaps you can tell me what the "endgame" of my "elaborate gambit" was, eh?

(PS, the facts of the connection between the Heritage Foundation, Republican "healthcare reform plans" and the Individual Mandate is clear for anyone to see who can read.)

For some, the more they assert that they're not about "party" the more they bash one side or the other.

ACA is one of the favorite of folks "who aren't about party" and yet bash the Democrats in everything they write.

Yet, they, like you, aren't telling the whole truth, while we're talking about truth when they make their statements.

Sure, it's crap legislation, for more reasons than just the Individual Mandate (which is indeed the point of this thread) and it doesn't matter how many times that's acknowledged. But it's helped 17-20+ million Americans that didn't have healthcare before, and the Republicans, to date have done NOTHING to change the law, or come up with something new.

So, there is a difference sometimes between "the parties."

This is one of them.




Blah,blah,blah,Please list the Republicans who voted for this monstrosity.You can`t?Blah,blah,blah.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Sunwolf

Name the Republicans who have done something about it. It's been five years, and promise after promise has been made ...



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: VimanaExplorer

What about the ACA gives the government access to your bank account, again?



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Sunwolf

Name the Republicans who have done something about it. It's been five years, and promise after promise has been made ...


Oh Please.

You know Obama won't sign any legislation.

And besides, most of the regulations have been delegated to the Executive Branch departments like the IRS and HHS.

Republicans in Congress are powerless without veto over ride majorities.






posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

More excuses?

Sad.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 08:59 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Sunwolf

Name the Republicans who have done something about it. It's been five years, and promise after promise has been made ...




You mean the Demorats won`t filibuster anything the Repubs come up with and Obama won`t veto?

I smell a purple herring.



posted on Aug, 2 2015 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

LOL




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