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Planned Parenthood, is this a moral issue or just a legal issue?

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posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 04:47 PM
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In another post it was argued that people are only outraged over weather Planned Parenthood was involved in the illegal activity of selling body parts as a commodity, and it isnt about what they actually do with the aborted fetus. However, it seems to me that most are equally disturbed about the moral and ethical natural laws that they feel are violated in the harvesting process that was exposed in the videos.

I acknowledge that we have not seen the full unedited video. So there could be more to the story. But, as I have participated in different threads, it seems to come down to a persons moral compass. Most dont need to see the uncut version to make a moral ethical judgement about this. If they find PP did nothing wrong legally will it make the clips we all saw any less disturbing? And will it justify or validate the practice of harvesting and selling fetal tissue?

It seems to me that it comes down to how you view the dish of fetal parts that they are picking through. Do you see it as a disrespected chopped up baby, with arms, legs, eyeballs staring back at you, or do you see it as nothing but a tissue sample?

If they find that PP did everything legal, should the Tissue issue just go away? Or should the law be changed? Should it be allowed only for important medical research? Or should random companies be allowed to use these parts however and in whatever research they deem important for their business? Or should it be disallowed all together?

So, is this a moral issue for you or is it merely a legal issue? If it is ruled that PP complied entirely with the law, will it make a difference in how you feel about what you saw in those videos? Im trying to sort this out for myself, so thought I would ask how others are viewing it.
I think I liked my head buried in the sand over this issue better.

I welcome the Mods to relocate this if needed. Thanks




posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:02 PM
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The MSM has everybody freaked out.

I think this is a hostile corporate takeover attempt.

Somebody else wants the lucrative abortion monopoly.

PP is the bulls-eye.




posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I would not be surprised. Everything comes down to money.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: misskat1
However, it seems to me that most are equally disturbed about the moral and ethical natural laws that they feel are violated in the harvesting process that was exposed in the videos.


Are they bothered by the moral and ethical natural laws that they feel are violated while picking through a cadaver in the harvesting of eyeballs or kidneys for medical research?

If not, then I say it's not tissue donation that's bothering them at all, but the fact of abortion. In fact, people who think donating fetal tissue is ANY different from donating their organs after their death, are just showing their anti-aborion bias. And that's fine. So they don't like abortion. Fortunately, they don't have to have one.



Most dont need to see the uncut version to make a moral ethical judgement about this.


True, but if they don't see the uncut version, they're making a judgment based on propaganda OR based on their own personal opinion about abortion, not scientific research of harvested tissue.



If they find PP did nothing wrong legally will it make the clips we all saw any less disturbing?


Of course not. As I said in another thread, the clips are disturbing! That's their sole purpose - to disturb people. Abortion is disturbing! That doesn't mean we should remove access to abortion because we're "disturbed".



And will it justify or validate the practice of harvesting and selling fetal tissue?


I'd say no. It's not the legal issue that's bothering people. It's the FACT of abortion.



It seems to me that it comes down to how you view the dish of fetal parts that they are picking through. Do you see it as a disrespected chopped up baby, with arms, legs, eyeballs staring back at you, or do you see it as nothing but a tissue sample?


WHY people would watch that, I have NO idea! I refuse to watch it. I have NO desire to see the "ick factor" that so many are so incensed about! It's morbid to watch it, IMO. How do I feel about it? It's just like a heart or kidney or eyes. It's donated remains in a dish. Again, the sole purpose is to disturb.



If they find that PP did everything legal, should the Tissue issue just go away?


Fetal tissue research is VITAL for so many conditions and diseases, it shouldn't go away. It should continue as it has for years. Why would this tissue be better in the trash?



So, is this a moral issue for you or is it merely a legal issue?


Legal.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:15 PM
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If there was a donor card for the parent(s) to fill out to donate any viable organs and/or parts, like is done with already born children, then there would be no reason for outrage.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: misskat1
In another post it was argued that people are only outraged over weather Planned Parenthood was involved in the illegal activity of selling body parts as a commodity, and it isnt about what they actually do with the aborted fetus. However, it seems to me that most are equally disturbed about the moral and ethical natural laws that they feel are violated in the harvesting process that was exposed in the videos.

I acknowledge that we have not seen the full unedited video. So there could be more to the story. But, as I have participated in different threads, it seems to come down to a persons moral compass. Most dont need to see the uncut version to make a moral ethical judgement about this. If they find PP did nothing wrong legally will it make the clips we all saw any less disturbing? And will it justify or validate the practice of harvesting and selling fetal tissue?

It seems to me that it comes down to how you view the dish of fetal parts that they are picking through. Do you see it as a disrespected chopped up baby, with arms, legs, eyeballs staring back at you, or do you see it as nothing but a tissue sample?

If they find that PP did everything legal, should the Tissue issue just go away? Or should the law be changed? Should it be allowed only for important medical research? Or should random companies be allowed to use these parts however and in whatever research they deem important for their business? Or should it be disallowed all together?

So, is this a moral issue for you or is it merely a legal issue? If it is ruled that PP complied entirely with the law, will it make a difference in how you feel about what you saw in those videos? Im trying to sort this out for myself, so thought I would ask how others are viewing it.
I think I liked my head buried in the sand over this issue better.

I welcome the Mods to relocate this if needed. Thanks




I am more troubled by the melodrama of these videos ....

Where is the proof that the visual is real??

The film industry makes excellent spare parts, and TV

programmes such as CSI etc. are testament to that.


When I was in sales we were regularly trained on *How

to sell* and the emphasis was on making the *product*

hold the interest first in the eyes and secondly making a

dramatic exhibition of the "product"

Those videos make me feel someone is SELLING an agenda


Oh ... and aren't some of them 'actors' or 'extras' in those videos???



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:26 PM
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a reply to: snowspirit

The women do sign a donation form. There is no reason for outrage. Except that some people are "outraged" about abortion and are consolidating the two topics, IMO.
edit on 7/30/2015 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: eletheia

Did PP say the vids were not real? I thought they were suing the film makers for privacy laws, not for falsely making a vid.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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Abortion is both a moral and ethical issue of such magnitude that the choice can only be left up to the woman who will have to live with the consequences of the decision for the entirety of her life.

Period.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Abortion is both a moral and ethical issue of such magnitude that the choice can only be left up to the woman who will have to live with the consequences of the decision for the entirety of her life.

Period.


"period".

Hmmm.

just joking.




posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:34 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I would have to agree, fetal donation isnt much different than a living human donation, except in the fact that we are choosing for the unborn. Although If I were to get an abortion, I would only be inclined to donate it, if I thought something good could come out of a tragedy. However, I would have a hard time with knowing someone was making money on it or that it was used for non medical purposes.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: misskat1
Did PP say the vids were not real?


They said they were highly edited, misleading and taken out of context.



I thought they were suing the film makers for privacy laws, not for falsely making a vid.


I don't think PP is suing anyone at this time. StemExpress is. Here is the complaint: popehat.com...



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:38 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Abortion is both a moral and ethical issue of such magnitude that the choice can only be left up to the woman who will have to live with the consequences of the decision for the entirety of her life.

Period.


"period".

Hmmm.

just joking.



In my opinion, you're trying too hard.




posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Before we didnt have a visual of the procedure. I wonder how many would sign the donation form if they watched the video first? Most havent seen an aborted chopped up fetus. It was no doubt shocking to the core.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: misskat1
However, I would have a hard time with knowing someone was making money on it or that it was used for non medical purposes.


As well you should. That's not happening here as far as anyone can tell or PP would be shut down and some people would be in prison. This SAME THING happened on 2011. There was an extensive investigation and PP's actions were found to be 100% above board and legal.

I have no problem with an investigation, but it's just going to prove the same things it did before. PP would be INSANE to break the law.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: misskat1
I wonder how many would sign the donation form if they watched the video first?


Why would they want to see that? Should they be forced to watch something so disturbing? I mean, for the most part, when a woman gets an abortion, she's already thought about the little thing that's growing in her body. She's seen pictures of fetuses in books. She's already filled with guilt and remorse for getting herself into this situation... She KNOWS what's going on. Why would she or should she want to see the gruesome details of the result?

When I had my gall bladder removed, I didn't watch a video showing a removed gall bladder. Why would I subject myself to something like that?



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

She should watch to instill as much fear and guilt in her as possible; these are the preferred products of most religion, one in particular.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Islam?



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: Gryphon66

Islam?


Does Islam make you guilty and afraid?

Then, yes, for you.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I didnt say forced. I actually believe it would be cruel and unusual punishment to make a women watch such horror at a time when she is having to make such a hard choice. It has to be a really stressful intense time. Im not sure how many take the time to read the fine print, so they are ill informed of the procedure. I think I would want to know the whole truth. Maybe not. I dont think anyone can say until they were faced with such a hard choice. But, I do think this has made a lot of women who have had abortions, reevaluate their decision. I try not to judge anyone.



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