originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: raymundoko
I don't think I am. Care to show me?
I'll admit I am splitting hairs a little bit, but a more direct order would be get out of the car, which the person would have to take the seat belt
It isn't illegal to have your seat belt on while stopped, so not really a lawful order to say take it off.
The point that many apologist are ignoring and are trying to whitewash over is that there was very little about this stop that was lawful. This stop
had absolutely nothing to do with law. This stop was about him getting his jollies by harassing the citizens of the area and feeding his ego. He was a
campus cop, so why was he so far off campus? There were no people to harass on campus or maybe he knows how sick he is, so he decided not to crap
were he eats.
The man said he had a DL but he didn't have it on him. How hard was that to check? He knew the man likely had some warrants or past offenses, hell, he
probably ran his tag before even pulling him over. Listen to the conversation. It was not an attempt to gather information. He was toying with the
little mouse he had caught. It had nothing to do with a missing front tag. Some States don't require a front tag, so no front tag is no big deal. I
was accused of being one of a large group of idiots because I made the statement that this cop was not justified in killing this man, because he had
no front tag, which was just the ammunition he needed to start his game. The reason he killed him was because he committed the worse sin, in the mind
of the new members of the Barney Five brotherhood, "He defied him"!
Did you listen to other videos of this cop's encounters with the local citizenry? His modus operandi is, to harass and demand. When asked why they
were being stopped or harassed, his standard response was, " BECAUSE I TOLD YOU TO!"
Your God has spoken! He made it clear that he saw the citizenry as his private toys, and that he didn't owe them anything, not even an explanation for
why he chose them to amuse himself. Members of the Barney Fife brotherhood, mental faculties shut down and they go straight into roid rage when the
useless eaters dare question or defy them.
In some ways this cop "is" being hung out to dry. His department knew this guy was a loose cannon and a ticking time bomb. Before the video was
released they were double dutching and even admitted this guy "never should been allowed to be a police officer". So is this how they plan to reduce
the sick and corrupt numbers of their ranks? Wait until they expose themselves with sick and unwarranted killings of the innocent until proven guilty
citizens of their communities?
It is easy to research. Just Google, Max penalties for traffic infractions in Ohio. If he was guilty of all the offenses people are saying he was
quilty of, the most he was looking at was six months jail time. That resisting arrest charge with drunk driving would have likely been a M1; a fine
and 180 days in jail. Nothing this man did warranted his execution.
We can debate all day and all night about the who, what, and when's of the videos. It does not change the fact that this cop "never" should have
pulled his gun. The situation did not call for it, his alleged crimes did not call for it, and even if he was as pissed as a caged pitbull having his
tail clipped, he should have never pulled his gun. He had no right, not morally, spiritually or legally to pull his gun and kill this man. His actions
were not the actions of a police officer trying to get a dangerous felon off the street, and even if he was a dangerous felon, the scenario that
played out in the video, still would not have supported a cop in killing him.
I work with law enforcement, every stage. Cops are just people, and that is the biggest part of the problem. Businesses are interested in one thing;
one thing only, revenue. Everything, and I do mean everything, translates to dollars and cents. Your local police force is not very likely to be
manned with the best and brightess. They may be the best and brightess they are willing to "pay" for. Trust me on this, there is a huge difference in
those two statements.
The majority of your local cops have issues. We all have issues. Imagine yourself on the job and you feel like you are under paid, overworked, poorly
respected or not respected at all. No matter how much you give it is never enough. I have been there and done that, and working in and for the public,
the last thing you need is someone that your job is to help, making your job more difficult, because they too have their own set of issues.
People burn out, or they come to realize the job is not for them or just not worth it. I comforted a young nurse who had only been on the job six
months, fresh out of school. She was terrified because she had just started work, had a good five years of school loans to pay off, and she had come
to grips with the fact that working as new nurse grad was killing her. The only words of wisdom I could give her was, to stick it out until she could
find better employment and maybe things would improve. In other words, I lied. Things will not change for her. The sad truth is she will change to
survive the job.
People make career choices based on an idealic perception of what the job is, how the job will define them, and of course, the money. Public servants
are "always" overworked and under paid. Most know that and are willing to make the sacrifice for their "calling". That quickly goes flying south, when
you are giving 200% of yourself and are constantly abused for not having more hands, for not being able to bend time and for not having a magic wand
to make everyone's wishes suddenly appear. When you don't give people what they want, " you" then become the problem, and there is the rub.
Cops are not public servants. They are "law enforcement". Their job is to be vigilante, to make sure they keep the revenue stream flowing. Not what
you see on TV. Cops on TV are badass mofos, that everybody respects and fears. Now add to that a daily reprimand for not making your " quota", don't
believe the lies, Yes, they have quotas, and you are very likely to catch a cop on a bad day. Because everyday is a bad day. Until you come along,
having your own bad day, and while attempting to vent your frustration after your last straw is being snapped; you make his day a good day "and" an
opportunity to rack up some street credits and bragging rights.
I get that being a cop is not easy. Worse, it is not that dream job they sell on TV. When are people going to get it. Everything, again, everything on
TV is an illusion. Any truth is so rife with lies that it is impossible to decipher the truth in what they project. I get that he was a Barney Fife,
and resented that he was viewed as an Andy. I get that he saw the entire area within five blocks of the campus his private empire. I get this was his
coping mechanism, but when he thinks he has the right to play judge, juror and executioner, he crossed the line and he became the face in the
The fact remains that this cop was wrong. Color it anyway you want, he executed a man for no sound reason.
edit on 1-8-2015 by NightSkyeB4Dawn because: Grammar corrections.