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It is not a strawman. My point is that violent crime is the problem and eliminating guns does not stop violent crime.
originally posted by: MrMasterMinder
It is not a strawman. My point is that violent crime is the problem and eliminating guns does not stop violent crime.
Which is a perfect example of a strawman. In fact that's probably one of the most prefect example of a starwamen argument i've ever seen. I will be referring to that in future posts about any subject (bookmarking now).
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.
originally posted by: MrMasterMinder
a reply to: Answer
Yes when talking about gun crime stick guns and don't trying to include other types of generalized crime. That's the general idea. Stop using strawman arguments because it proves you have no solid point to make.
Sir Paul Condon, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, expressing fears of an emerging "gun culture" on the streets of Britain's inner cities. Estimates of illegal weapons range from 500,000 to a million or more, perhaps many more.
The Dunblane tragedy is bound to lead to calls for tighter gun control. But what more could be done - short of banning all gun ownership outside the hands of the armed forces and police - to tighten up what its advocates argue is already one of the world's tighter gun regimes?
Significant numbers among the one million or so people who shoot - anything from air pistols, to Olympic gunmen to wildfowlers and deer hunters - have been driven from the sport, according to Robin Peal, the BASC's head of public affairs - "people who couldn't be bothered with the hassle".
Past mental illness is taken into account in issuing certificates, but beyond that "it is virtually impossible for a doctor to make a judgement about someone's fitness to hold a gun," according to the BMA. Doctors were also worried about what would happen "if they provided a certificate and the individual then went out and shot a lot of people. Would the doctor, somehow, be held responsible for a judgement he could not really make?"
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Despite the country’s stringent gun laws, newspaper reports indicate that illegal handguns can be purchased for £50–100 (approximately US$70–155). In 2002 a Member of Parliament stated that there are some inner-city areas “in which it is now easier to buy an illegal gun than to find a taxi in the rain.” Newspapers reported that in the two years after the ban on handguns enacted after the Dunblane massacre the number of crimes in which handguns were carried increased by 40%.
Violent crime is not "generalized crime."
I'm talking about crime committed with the intent to harm others. Guns are obviously part of that picture.
originally posted by: Answer
Why are UK members of ATS so heavily invested in America's gun debate?
originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: SPECULUM
And here we have the best example why there could be so much gun-crime with unregistered weapons. But hey, they can tell you are cool.
originally posted by: Answer
a reply to: SPECULUM
Well since there's no such thing as a "yellow sheet" the rest of your post is not exactly what I'd call "up to date information."
If you know dealers who are keeping guns "off book", they're breaking the law.
originally posted by: SPECULUM
originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: SPECULUM
And here we have the best example why there could be so much gun-crime with unregistered weapons. But hey, they can tell you are cool.
No..Most folks don't like unkle sammy poking their nose in their business.
Gun Crimers steal guns or make them in machine shops out of legal parts kits you can buy anywhere...NO FFL OR NFA rules apply
originally posted by: Answer
originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: SPECULUM
And here we have the best example why there could be so much gun-crime with unregistered weapons. But hey, they can tell you are cool.
There is no gun registry in the US. A couple of states have it but it is not nationwide.
SPECULUM is talking about a legal activity of selling privately owned firearms. If those dealers are actually keeping guns off of their books to sell without a background check, they're corrupt and breaking the law.
A large number of guns used in crimes come from "straw purchases" which are already illegal. Also, corrupt dealers account for a large percentage and that is, again, already illegal.
originally posted by: SPECULUM
originally posted by: Answer
a reply to: SPECULUM
Well since there's no such thing as a "yellow sheet" the rest of your post is not exactly what I'd call "up to date information."
If you know dealers who are keeping guns "off book", they're breaking the law.
Lol..They still use yellow sheets at gun shops, and no one cares about their laws..SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED