Pioneer gravitational anomolies, page 1
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reply posted on 30-12-2004 @ 04:17 AM by masterp
As this article says, gravity is stronger the closer two bodies are together. But why should gravity depend on the distance, if the mass of two bodies does not change?

There are two solutions to that problem:

1) gravity is made out of particles that are washed away the further they travel.
2) gravity is not a pull by mass but a push by void.


reply posted on 30-12-2004 @ 01:11 PM by shanerz
Originally posted by masterp
As
this article says, gravity is stronger the closer two bodies are together. But why should gravity depend on the distance, if the mass of two bodies does not change?

There are two solutions to that problem:

1) gravity is made out of particles that are washed away the further they travel.
2) gravity is not a pull by mass but a push by void.



I read Youre second point, and then I think about neutrinos, etc... Gravity is the pushing of mass by void? But there really is no void, the "empty space" is filled with particles the size of electrons, called neutrinos.. my links above will show this, and they are massive (they have mass). But its so tiny that the force of gravity between them must not be as powerful (but there still is and that may be a push of sorts) as the mass we are more familiar with (elements, etc.). My thoughts

Regarding this statement: (but there still is and that may be a push of sorts)-- It is more like.. there is gravity everywhere and always. All the mass (whether its a planet, a rock, an atom, or a neutrino) is interacting with itself always... gravity is like glue for the fabric of all mass in the universe?

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reply posted on 31-12-2004 @ 01:38 AM by shanerz
Originally posted by masterp

But the neutrinos you mention are very few per cubic meter, and it is still not proven conclusively that neutrinos have mass.



I beg to differ.... These following passage was taken from:
www.ps.uci.edu...

1985 - A Russian team reports measurement, for the first time, of a non-zero neutrino mass. The mass is extremely small (10,000 times less than the mass of the electron), but subsequent attempts to independently reproduce the measurement do not succeed.

As well this gives some reference:
www.ps.uci.edu...


*edit...Oh and that 248,000 is nothing compared to where they are trying to get to either (wasn't it a star on Orion or something?)




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reply posted on 31-12-2004 @ 05:49 AM by masterp
Originally posted by shanerz
Originally posted by masterp

But the neutrinos you mention are very few per cubic meter, and it is still not proven conclusively that neutrinos have mass.



I beg to differ.... These following passage was taken from:
www.ps.uci.edu...

1985 - A Russian team reports measurement, for the first time, of a non-zero neutrino mass. The mass is extremely small (10,000 times less than the mass of the electron), but subsequent attempts to independently reproduce the measurement do not succeed.

As well this gives some reference:
www.ps.uci.edu...


*edit...Oh and that 248,000 is nothing compared to where they are trying to get to either (wasn't it a star on Orion or something?)




[edit on 31-12-2004 by shanerz]


I don't disagree with what you are saying...but it is still not proven conclusively that neutrinos are 100% what we think they are. In other words, neutrino theory is still in its infancy, it has not become mainstream knowledge yet, it has not entered mainstream physics books, so we can't tell if neutrinos have to do something with gravity or not.
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