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Senate GOP Fast-Tracks Bill To Defund Planned Parenthood

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posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: introvert
Tax dollars do not fund abortions. It's against the law.


The SCOTUS definition of the ACA as a "tax" disagrees with you, friend.


That's already been taken care of.


The ACA mandates that at least one of the multi-state plans offered on each state’s marketplace excludes abortion coverage (exceptions for instances of rape, incest and life endangerment are permissible).

Source

Have an objection to paying for insurance that covers abortion? You have a choice.




posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

The provisions of the individual mandate (a Republican idea) is a tax, or more precisely, the right of the Congress to legislate the terms of the individual mandate is based on the Constitutional power of taxation.

The entire ACA and the provisions of the insurance programs that fall under same are not "a tax."


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posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

If the right ends up getting a victory here, it is SERIOUSLY going to hurt them in the polls next year.

Though, like I said at the beginning of the thread, Obama is most likely to veto this; and that is IF they can get this through the House as well.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Gryphon66

If the right ends up getting a victory here, it is SERIOUSLY going to hurt them in the polls next year.

Though, like I said at the beginning of the thread, Obama is most likely to veto this; and that is IF they can get this through the House as well.


It will also CLEARLY demonstrate that many on the right are willing to lie, cheat, steal and support the power of an overreaching government as long as THEY think they are in power.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

That it does. I would normally just chalk this up to being a pandering bill to gain votes from the various politicians' voting base, but the fact that they are fast tracking the bill to force a vote before the start of August (that's 2 days from now) says otherwise.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sigh, so much vehemance. Of course I do, again I am Pro Choice...but grudgingly. We are not that dis-similar. I just dont like how easily we who are already alive can so easily dismiss lives...ill gotten or not. My sister worked for Planned Parenthood in the 80s. She was followed and threatened with death...I returned home to protect her...I will defend her right to choose until I die, BUT Planned Parenthood should not be involved in trade as it is set up...ONLY because money of this caliber ALWAYS corrupts my friend...always...not every person involved, but enough to create a horrible profitable situation selling human life down the river. A publicly funded foundation should NOT be involved here, again just my opinion...no reason to attack me because my heart responds differently.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: BlueJacket

Then have them investigated PROPERLY. I've been saying that since I first started posting in this thread.

Instead of a proper investigation, we are getting 12 hit pieces on Youtube and politicians believing that they are valid evidence enough to judge the actions of this organization with out a trial (something that violates the Constitution btw). I have no fears of an investigation being conducted. Why is it that the ones pointing blame aren't calling for an investigation? Is it because they know that deep down, their accusations are without merit? I think so.

If an investigation were conducted and it came back saying that PP was really in the wrong, I will be one of the first to say I was wrong and being calling for ways to fix the behavior. Meanwhile, how likely do you think it would be that if an investigation came back saying no harm no foul, the pro-life crowd would be saying the investigation was flawed and be calling for new investigations?

In any case, I REFUSE to damn someone or something based on Youtube evidence alone. Even IF there are 12 videos.
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posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: BlueJacket

I have a daughter. She is my life. I personally could not see me ever having an abortion, unless my life was in danger and even then, I might not be able to go through with it. But I can't make that choice for another woman.

Women go to PP asking for help to end their unwanted pregnancies. If these women want to donate the fetus tissue for medical research, that is their right, just like a parent can decide to donate their deceased child's organs for organ transplants. PP is within their rights to ask for reasonable reimbursement for their costs in helping to facilitate the mother's request.

We've already seen experts in the bio-research field say that the prices discussed for reimbursement in the videos were reasonable, and could in no way be seen as "profitable".



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Hey I appreciate your opinion in the end. I feel the preponderance of evidence points in another direction for me...I typically disdain Utube out of hand, but what other forum do some folks have for quick dissemination of information?



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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I respect your response friend


a reply to: jimmyx



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 06:35 AM
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a reply to: BlueJacket

That still doesn't mean you shouldn't verify the information. That is just being willfully naive. As it stands, all that video evidence likely wouldn't be able to be admitted into any legal proceedings because it wasn't obtained lawfully.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 06:43 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BlueJacket

That still doesn't mean you shouldn't verify the information. That is just being willfully naive. As it stands, all that video evidence likely wouldn't be able to be admitted into any legal proceedings because it wasn't obtained lawfully.


Not obtained lawfully but apparently being used by the Legislative Branch to destroy a healthcare provider that serves 4.5 MILLION people each year.

Was someone saying something about government overreach?



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 06:47 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

found the complaint that was filed by Stem Express...

popehat.com...



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

NICE! Get some litigation going. Though I'm sure this isn't the litigation that the pro-life crowd was looking for, but about time for some accountability.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t
according that the complaint both the federal dept of justice and the california dept of justice announced they were beginning criminal investigations of CMP and the planned parenthood videos.

it will be interesting to see where this goes. it prove to be a very costly mistake on the part of this group both monetary and freedom...



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Krazysh0t
according that the complaint both the federal dept of justice and the california dept of justice announced they were beginning criminal investigations of CMP and the planned parenthood videos.

it will be interesting to see where this goes. it prove to be a very costly mistake on the part of this group both monetary and freedom...





I dont think thats the direction this is going to go.........

The videos have legs, they arent amateurish, PP has come out last week and appologized for them , knowing what was said was true.....

And now this?

Sorry guys , your Holy PP church is going to be exposed



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 07:59 AM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

PP hasn't apologized for those videos... I'd post their official statement, but APPARENTLY someone is hacking PP's site... and it is down.
plannedparenthood.org...

But in case that video comes back up later down the line, PP is saying that the group's claims are discredited and their claims fall apart under scrutiny.

ALSO, dawnstar posted official court filings AGAINST Center for Medical Progress. I'd worry about THEM in fact, they may end up being unemployed after this stunt.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 08:20 AM
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But just how much funding does Planned Parenthood receive from the government? In the fiscal year that ended June 30, 2014, Planned Parenthood had $1.3 billion in total revenue. Of that, $528.4 million came from government health services grants and reimbursements. The group says the vast majority of federal dollars it receives comes from Medicaid reimbursements for providing preventative health care.

That's why ending the flow of federal dollars isn't as simple as turning off the spigot. The laws governing Medicaid - the health insurance program for low-income families - prevent states from excluding certain providers solely because of other medical services they provide, like abortions. Those laws also say Medicaid recipients must be allowed to seek treatment from anyone who is qualified to perform the services. This is sometimes called a "freedom of choice" provision.

In other words, the bill introduced by the Senate Republicans Wednesday - if it were to pass - would violate existing federal law and almost certainly face a challenge in court, Susan Fogel, the Director of Reproductive Health for the National Health Law Program, told CBS News. [Source]



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

They're amateutish as hell. ISIS does far better.



posted on Jul, 30 2015 @ 08:47 AM
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White House backs Planned Parenthood over ‘edited’ videos, federal funding


It wasn’t exactly a surprise, but the White House gave a forceful defense of Planned Parenthood Wednesday and decried Republican lawmakers’ efforts to defund the organization in the wake of undercover videos revealing the sale of fetal tissue.

White House deputy press secretary Eric Schultz said he didn’t know whether President Obama has seen the videos because the president just returned Wednesday from a five-day trip to Africa.

But Mr. Schultz said White House officials are “familiar with the news reports, including that a lot of these videos have been edited.”

And he said the White House “couldn’t disagree more” with congressional Republicans who want to strip the organization of federal funding over the issue.


Mainly because it would be ILLEGAL.



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