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Channel Tunnel: '2,000 migrants' tried to enter

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posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: dingdongdoodah

Avoided the question again.....

Anyway - all this bleeting about social policy and taxation is derailing the thread... Either stay on topic or take it somewhere else.




posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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originally posted by: ForteanOrg

originally posted by: alldaylong
The Country is FULL. Let someone else take them.


I'm quite flabbergasted by this comment - aren't it the Brits themselves - well, at least their governments - that keep saying that the Brits need to work longer, for less and for more years? Clearly, the Brits have a a problem finding sufficient labourers!

And then - look - opportunity knocks - in the form of mostly strong, healthy, motivated young man, who'd gladly work for pennies where the natives would ask pounds! What miracle, what lucky twist of fate!

Come on, Britain, rule the world again: house them, feed them, give them work, make them part of the proud, labour deprived British society, that they may serve you well and ease the burden placed on your shoulders!

Hurray!


Just because the Netherlands like the rest of the EU has #ed up there economy does not mean you should dump all the immigrants on our door step.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: dingdongdoodah
a reply to: stumason

my cousin lost his council flat from been under occupied .


No, your cousin lost his council flat because he didn't want to lost the 14% reduction to his HB. You don't get your house taken away from you for the under-occupancy penalty.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: dingdongdoodah
a reply to: stumasonThe main issue with housing is that in the 80's and 90's they sold lots of affordable council houses then did not build new ones in there place thus population growing no houses that are indeed affordable.


In my country we used to have affordable houses that we could RENT. You'd pay at most 20-30 percent of your income for rent, which of course included maintenance and upgrades. Most people lived in rented houses - there were non-profit cooperations that build these houses according to strict rules and regulations.

Then Reaganomics struck, and suddenly Joe Sixpack had to own his own house too, though he actually did not have the money to buy one. To force him out of his rented house his rent was artificially increased by the government on a yearly basis (2-5 percent p/a). Banks offered 'affordable' loans for a house. Joe Sixpack did NOT get a better house - often he ended up living in the very same house he had rented before, but now as the proud owner, paying rent to the banks. He typically payed a bit more than he used to pay but also had to pay for his maintenance - and as a house owner had to pay taxes to the municipality too.

Joe now suddenly was in debt and in fact payed more than he did before. And of course, deprived from their steady flow of income (rent) and forced to sell property the non-profit housing organisations ceased to exist - and the banks had a field day.

Ah, the blessings of the market..



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 10:54 AM
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If the army is involved it will escalate into shooting, I know of no security deployment that has not ended in the army shooting, its got nothing to do with how professional the army is and every thing to do with the "other side" pushing to a point of no return. Soldiers will be badly hurt and killed but the shooting will start. 2000 men armed with knives pick axe handles petrol bombs, some even guns charge the army, what will the army do, stand fast and get killed, run away, start shooting. The army will be forced into a shooting match, thats why the army is always deployed as a last resort.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 10:58 AM
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There are a lot of bleeding hearts in this thread, but the basic point to all of it is that under international law a refugee must apply for refuge in THE FIRST SAFE COUNTRY THEY REACH.
The UK is not the first safe country for a single one of those immigrants in Calais, it may not even be France but you know what, I don't care because the UK most definitely is not.
It ain't our problem, it's a problem for France.

If you don't like it then go complain to international bodies instead of whining about the UK attempting to keep it's borders secure.
All those folk are in a safe nation. We have no obligation to let any of them in, especially when they are not using legal means to attempt entry.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Oh boohoo...it must be soooo hard for you guys with all of those illegals running around. Luckily here in the US we don't have nearly as many illegals as you guys do...

*sarcasm*



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: stumason
We've been fighting wars with Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Eritrea, Nigeria and Ethiopia?


No, we just look the other way when we buy something for £100 that cost £10 to manufacture and which the person making it in that country was paid £0.50 a day, while working in a hellhole that might collapse around them at any moment.


originally posted by: stumason
Give over with the fluffy, left-wing nonsense.


In comparison to your angry and ignorant right-wing nonsense, I definitely prefer fluffy.


originally posted by: stumasonThese aren't refugees, they are economic migrants looking for the "good life". We can't just open our doors and invite everyone in to "share"!


A good life, not "the good life" as if they're risking their f-ing lives just because it's "cushy" smdh



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: dingdongdoodah

Well you share then.

I prefer not to live like im ina slum in a 3rd world # hole.


Ah, but what would you do?
You would LEAVE!
Where would you go?
To a better country!

Are you having an epiphany yet?



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: Danke
a reply to: grainofsand

Oh boohoo...it must be soooo hard for you guys with all of those illegals running around. Luckily here in the US we don't have nearly as many illegals as you guys do...

*sarcasm*

Nope, it's hard for France with all the illegals trying to break into the UK through the Channel Tunnel.
I'm just glad we are an island nation, if we had a land border such as you have with Mexico our attempts to control illegal immigration would be much more challenging.

Again, not our problem, it's a problem for France.
All those immigrants are in a safe country, so if they don't claim asylum there I say tough luck.
That's just international law.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewokJust because the Netherlands like the rest of the EU has #ed up there economy does not mean you should dump all the immigrants on our door step.


Send them over here! We WANT them! We NEED them! In our country we face an ordeal now: we do not have sufficient people to do all that work that is piling up here! I'm sure, as our Government keeps telling us that we need to work more, longer and for less. We have plenty of work here, no need for that foul socialst plot to convert us all into lazy bastards here!

Heck, yes, we used to be lazy socialist bastards: we even only worked 32 hours per week and got our state pension at 65! Friggin' Greek style! But now - due to the enormous shortage of labour force - we have learned our lesson. We are now forced back to putting in 40 hours a week for the same or less money, and still we have too much work piling up, it must be so, as there is no end to it in sight! They're now considering reinstating the 6 day workweek and the pensions will be payed at more like 70 by the time I get mine. So, we're in despair! We need more workers, like you!

But I guess you have the better propaganda machine, as these refugees hardly get here. Instead they are so keen on helping you out there, they come here by various dangerous means, and even don't hesitate to jump on a speeding train - just to help you out! I envy you, you glorious bastards you!

Send them over to us, I say! But you foul dogs all keep them to yourselves. I knew something was rotten when the Brits agreed to have the chunnel dug - and now it shows WHY...
edit on 29-7-2015 by ForteanOrg because: he sented instead of sended



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: Rocker2013

Yeah, and they are in a safe country, France.
An asylum seeker must claim it in the first safe nation they reach.
I don't care if France is not the first safe nation half of them arrived in but it certainly isn't the UK.
International agreements and asylum seeker legislation, we have no obligations towards those folk in France, a safe country.

Go whine to the UN or something to change internationally agreed rules on asylum if you like, but right now the UK doesn't have to do anything except protect it's border lawfully.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: Danke
a reply to: grainofsand

Oh boohoo...it must be soooo hard for you guys with all of those illegals running around. Luckily here in the US we don't have nearly as many illegals as you guys do...

*sarcasm*


Yes true, but your illegals are of a similar culture and pray to a Christian god. They will blend in long term. Our illegals are largely Islamic, they are not going to blend in. Even worse, when their kids are born they will go against this country as we are seeing now with thousands fighting in foreign wars that will come home to hurt us like blowing up our buses and underground. We already have little Islamic areas in our cities and the country will become a replica of the former Yugoslavia with all the Bosnia style consequences.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

The problem is that governments around the world are being told to ignore the laws on the books. The end goal is to dissolve the borders.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: ForteanOrg
Send them over to us, I say! But you foul dogs all keep them to yourselves.
Nope, we are actively striving to keep them out of the UK by securing the border at the tunnel.
If you want those immigrants it is a request you should be making to the French as they are hanging around the UK border, but still in France.
We don't want them, and under international asylum seeker legislation we have no responsibility as they are in a safe country now.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: Danke

That is all a bit irrelevant though when the UK government is actively seeking to protect our border.
Again, those people are in a safe country now, it has nothing to do with us except the challenge of keeping them out of the UK.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Not all governments are the same or can be controlled/manipulated to the same degree. Also, saying you are doing everything you can to protect your border and actually doing it are far different things.



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: Danke

So what is your point exactly?



posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: dingdongdoodah

Well you share then.

I prefer not to live like im ina slum in a 3rd world # hole.


Ah, but what would you do?
You would LEAVE!
Where would you go?
To a better country!

Are you having an epiphany yet?


Fact is I dont live in the 3rd world and have no desire or care too.


So the solution is to import there problems to us and turn the UK into a 3rd world # hole too?

Thanks but no thanks. I would rather see the army mow them down with machine guns than that "option".
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posted on Jul, 29 2015 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Fighting to protect your borders will only prolong the inevitable.




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