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The Mark of the Beast is in your wallet

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posted on Jul, 27 2015 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: johnwick

I'm not Christian and I never even implied that Muslims were evil. Reread my post. I said that just because a Muslim prays at a mosque instead of a church doesn't make him evil.
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posted on Jul, 27 2015 @ 11:27 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: johnwick

So why does money get a pass but religion doesn't? Religion is the source of both good and bad just as money is. Even if religion can be used for good that doesn't take away the fact that the concept exists solely for a few to benefit off of it. Religion is just a concept just like money is.

What did Jesus say? Something about giving freely with no expectation of return? Money is a slap in Jesus' face in that regard. He would turn the other cheek though, he wouldn't destroy society he would try to change it, as he did. Remember the moneychangers in the temple?

Jesus didn't seem too find about the concept of money, he was all about God not money, which is why he said "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's but God what is God's" in reference to the denarius. It is also why he said you can't serve God and money at the same time.


No not money, usury.

That is why he started slapping folks in his father's house, because they were loan sharking in his father's house.

Usury-the act of charging interest on money lenses.

Jesus didn't hate money, he hated usury.

It flat out says that in the Bible, in almost exactly those words.

Why do I know more about your religion than you do?

Maybe that's why i'm not religious, because I know the entire story, and back story, and manner in which your religion was created.

Look it up, everything I have said is 100 percent factually correct.



posted on Jul, 27 2015 @ 11:28 PM
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a reply to: johnwick

Now I know for a fact you didn't read the entire OP. You've really backed yourself into a corner it seems. If you had read the entire OP then you would have read that I call Jesus the first beast.

Why are you debating me when you don't even know what my stance is?

What isn't 100% factual are your assumptions about my stance. Take a gander at my post history and thread history, you'll come to realize that I am the furthest thing from a Christian you will find.

I even pointed out that Christians are Janus worshipers at the end of my OP. Janus is a Roman god. Why didn't you read my entire post before attacking me?
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posted on Jul, 27 2015 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: johnwick

I'm not Christian and I never even implied that Muslims were evil. Reread my post. I said that just because a Muslim prays at a mosque instead of a church doesn't make him evil.


" but if you are a Christian, Muslim's are evil"

What were you lying?

Isn't that a sin?

Your problem is ignorance, you pass judgement on things you know nothing about, and then promote a religion as the one true religion, while not even knowing its most basic Tennants.

You want the truth.

Judaism was created to control the population, by a council of men, that decided both the content and wording of the old testement.

Jesus came along, was he actually gods son?

I don't know, but he was a very great man, that not only preached but practiced love for your fellow man.

He may be one of the single greatest and most influential people in the entirety of all human history.

Even the Muslim's prophet Mohammed, help him in the highest reguard, and the Koran teaches that he was basically the perfect man.

The example of what all men should aspire to.


I'm not religious, but have done very extensive study on many, you can tell, I know the Bible and the background, with great understanding.

I read the bible cover to cover 7 times in 1 year, then did the research, then formed my opinion.

I find it wanting.

The basic just is, let those in power remain in power.

Which plays right into the elites hands.

It is probably the single greatest story ever told.

It has it all, good bad extremely moving epic tales of valor and sacrifice.

It makes the lord of the rings look like Dr.Suess, compared to Shakespeare.

But in the end it is a story, most of which was stolen from other cultures, and combined into one story, you were brainwashed into believing without question.

The single greatest propoganda piece ever created in all of recorded human history, to keep those at the top at the top.

Sorry brother, I know it is a downer, but better the truth you don't like, vs the lie you love.



posted on Jul, 27 2015 @ 11:56 PM
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a reply to: johnwick

I never said Muslims were evil. Seriously, go reread my post because you are putting words in my mouth. I said that to a Christian (which I am not one) ISLAM is evil, a work of the devil. I never once said that Muslims are evil just because they are Muslim, a Muslim is not the entirety of the concept of ISLAM.

I didn't lie about anything, you are reading my posts in the way you want to see them, not how they actually are.

And yeah, the bible is the biggest propaganda piece ever written. You are assuming things about me without even knowing my beliefs. The bible was written by those in power to oppress us, I 100% agree with you.

A piece of advice for future reference, read someones post before replying and attacking them. You didn't read my OP, you stopped at the top then went into attack mode. You're looking really ignorant right now.



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 12:26 AM
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This thread seems to be going round and round and getting nowhere. I think the trouble is that the only system that works for humans is capitalism , and capitalism is based on greed, so money is not the problem, religion is not the problem but the very basic need to survive that humans have is the problem. If we got rid of money and religion tomorrow something else would just take its place as humans need to survive,(money and religion are importation to greed, so important to survival) and greed is an excellent survival system.



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 03:16 AM
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Religious people have a massive problem seeing past the beginnings of their prophets. Throughout history these so called tribes who lived a co-operative life together still raided other villages, towns, countries, neighbours. Not for money but because he wanted what you had and he didn't. Its not about money, cash or even possessions. Its all about the power it brings. The power comes other people wanting what you have got. That gives you power. The squirrels of society have more than enough to live a thousand lifetimes each. they are not keeping their lifestyle they are just stopping us from having it whilst dangling the carrot.
I remember listening to an interview with a billionaire over 10 yrs ago on tv. he was as ked the question of 'when will you have enough money and assets, when will you stop and enjoy the riches you have built up'. The answer was astounding.

When I have a dollar more than the next richest person.

After you own a certain amount of wealth it then becomes irrelevant. It is the power it brings and the servitude it controls that is the motivation.

Jesus was trying to tell us we are merely cavemen and need to evolve into human beings that can control basic urges. 2000yrs later and not only do we not see the simple message he gave but we have fell deeper into our Neanderthal brain functions. Its not money . its US .
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posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 06:41 AM
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People are defending money as strongly as a fundamentalist defends his religious beliefs.

Defending money over God Is one form of worship/service exchanged for another, from spirit-worship to material-worship. Nature has given fruits and vegetables for free and the aggressive put price tags on it and took control, now people are defending such aggressive hold of reasources that God/Nature/Life has given for free.

How quickly will they defend the microchip when it's mandatory! They'll be claiming it isn't slavery and will give the same excuses they give for money.


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Throughout history these so called tribes who lived a co-operative life together still raided other villages, towns, countries, neighbours. Not for money but because he wanted what you had and he didn't. Its not about money, cash or even possessions. Its all about the power it brings.


Not all of them did that, but even if they did, that doesn't justify slavery through the control of natural resources through the money-system.



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posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 07:06 AM
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originally posted by: imod02
This thread seems to be going round and round and getting nowhere. I think the trouble is that the only system that works for humans is capitalism , and capitalism is based on greed, so money is not the problem, religion is not the problem but the very basic need to survive that humans have is the problem. If we got rid of money and religion tomorrow something else would just take its place as humans need to survive,(money and religion are importation to greed, so important to survival) and greed is an excellent survival system.


One of the truest overviews of human existence I have ever read, good on you for seeing it so clearly.

We start with a greedy selfish need to survive, and take it to the Nth degree.

Well not most of us, just the super greedy, get more at all costs, types.

Starred!!!!



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: chewi
Religious people have a massive problem seeing past the beginnings of their prophets. Throughout history these so called tribes who lived a co-operative life together still raided other villages, towns, countries, neighbours. Not for money but because he wanted what you had and he didn't. Its not about money, cash or even possessions. Its all about the power it brings. The power comes other people wanting what you have got. That gives you power. The squirrels of society have more than enough to live a thousand lifetimes each. they are not keeping their lifestyle they are just stopping us from having it whilst dangling the carrot.
I remember listening to an interview with a billionaire over 10 yrs ago on tv. he was as ked the question of 'when will you have enough money and assets, when will you stop and enjoy the riches you have built up'. The answer was astounding.

When I have a dollar more than the next richest person.

After you own a certain amount of wealth it then becomes irrelevant. It is the power it brings and the servitude it controls that is the motivation.

Jesus was trying to tell us we are merely cavemen and need to evolve into human beings that can control basic urges. 2000yrs later and not only do we not see the simple message he gave but we have fell deeper into our Neanderthal brain functions. Its not money . its US .
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So why can't one of us that sees it this clearly get into power and fix it?

Because we wouldn't lie cheat steal and even kill to do so?

If this is truly the case humanity is doomed.



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: arpgme

This was my thought as well, people are more likely to defend something they grew up with and told is normal or good despite the evidence that points toward the contrary. It's brainwashing and indoctrination, we've been indoctrinated into the monetary system, we can no longer see it and it's tool (money) as a bad thing.

Everything is freely given already as you say, all that is required is work. Money is the middle man between that work and the resources. This is not how it was meant to be.



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 07:45 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: johnwick

No we haven't always worked for money. Do those tribes in the Amazon work for money? No, they work in order to gather the resources they need directly, they do not work in order to gain money in order to buy the resources indirectly. We have not always been industrialized. See the difference?

Working for money IS worshipping it. We have been conditioned to not see it that way, but it is so. To serve God is to worship him right? So what does it mean to work (serve) for money?

I also noticed you only addressed the first paragraph. Did you read the entire OP before replying? Doesn't seem like it.


Money is the modern translation.

Living in a specialized society made barter impossible. As a proofreader, I cannot carry the value of my work around with me like a farmer could. So money was used. I would provide my service (in those days as a scribe) and receive money in return to represent the value of my service.

Money symbolizes goods and services you do for others and the value you provided to society.

We can argue all day, and do on other threads, about the relative values places on different goods and services, but the simple tool of money is not inherently evil anymore than the labor, good or service is evil.

If you want to argue that money is evil, then so is anything you do to support yourself and your family.

Even Christ taught parables based on farmers and others who prospered monetarily. If money itself were so evil, then He surely would have used another means.



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: imod02

Well said, but there is another, it is the root of greed and it is called Fear. Like a subliminal chant to our subconsious minds what humanity greed for 'some more than others, much more', causes a thought to stem in our minds that we some how 'Lack' something.

As this man said:

personalityspirituality.net...




GREED is one of seven basic character flaws or “dark” personality traits. We all have the potential for greedy tendencies, but in people with a strong fear of lack or deprivation, Greed can become a dominant pattern.

As with the opposite chief feature of self-destruction, greed stems from a basic fear of life. To be exact, greed is driven by a fundamental sense of deprivation, a need for something that is lacking or unavailable.


Thus the Earth transforms further into a subliminally hostile environment.



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 08:11 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

The monetary system in place is evil, not money itself. I changed my stance on that. The banking system is the beast, money is its mark, the thing that you cannot buy or sell without.



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: johnwick


I agree, more death and pain have been caused in the name of religion than cancer the black plague Spanish flew aids Ebola diabetes smoking drinking and all other drugs combined.

Only war comes close, and most of those were in the name of religion, so that's a 50/50 if it counts to one side or another.

The 50/50 being religion or money, all wars were caused by one of those 2.


Communism a form of atheism has killed more than religion, check your facts

Greed and self is the cause, money is not the issue.
Greed and self is the problem

Wantingmore is the issue

Context is the key

Dont take one part and ignore the rest



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: borntowatch

Communism is not a form of atheism. You can be communist while still believing in God. Russia is a communist country yet 75%of its population is identified as Orthodox Christian.

Communism is a form of socialism, Jesus was a socialist, healing and feeding people for free. Jesus said to give away all that you had, that is a forum of redistribution, a staple of the socialist movement.



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

The monetary system in place is evil, not money itself. I changed my stance on that. The banking system is the beast, money is its mark, the thing that you cannot buy or sell without.


The beast forces all to wear the mark on head or hand.

We do not have that kind of system yet.

And money predated the banking system.

So money cannot be the mark of the beast.



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: borntowatch

Communism is not a form of atheism. You can be communist while still believing in God. Russia is a communist country yet 75%of its population is identified as Orthodox Christian.

Communism is a form of socialism, Jesus was a socialist, healing and feeding people for free. Jesus said to give away all that you had, that is a forum of redistribution, a staple of the socialist movement.


I think you need to read the Gospel a little more closely.

At the same time that Jesus was teaching the young man He also had disciples, some of whom were wealthy. Why were they still wealthy if the only way to become saved was to give it all up?

The real lesson the young man was that love of God had to be uppermost in your heart. When it came right down to it, the young man loved his money more than Christ and He knew this. Why do you think He asked the young man what He did?



posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Yes we do, money can be thought of (forehead) and spent (hand), we already have the "mark". Can you buy or sell anything without money? Money fits all criteria.

Obviously the mark isn't a literal mark that is put on the skin, unless of course the beast is literally a leopard with bears feet and the mouth of a lion that will literally come out of the sea. It is an allegory, an allegory for the monetary system and money. You cannot buy or sell anything without money, it is the beasts mark.

What is the only species to use money? Man. The number of the beast is that of man. No other species uses money, we are the only ones.

The mark has already been put in place long ago. Revelation is a commentary on our society turning away from God and toward money and consumerism. That consumerism is the cause of the raping of our beautiful planet. Money is the foundation of the industrialized world, it is what it revolves around.
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posted on Jul, 28 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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What is the only species to use money? Man. The number of the beast is that of man. No other species uses money, we are the only ones.


Why is it called the beast if only humans are doing it and not actual beasts/animals?

Transhumanism, microchips, money, putting marks on people so they can buy and sell, none of that seems beast-like/animal/natural to me. Strange that the word "beast" would be used to talk about such ideas.

I'm not arguing against you, 3NL1GHT3N3D1, I know you didn't come up with this book of revelation idea, I just thought using the word "beast" as in animal, natural, worldly and not heavenly, for advanced technology like microchips against nature is strange.
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