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originally posted by: Liquesence
I think that many people who got "saved" and think they are saved, aren't truly "saved."
Cheap grace is the idea that "grace" did it all for me so I do not need to change my lifestyle. The believer who accepts the idea of "cheap grace" thinks he can continue to live like the rest of the world. Instead of following Christ in a radical way, the Christian lost in cheap grace thinks he can simply enjoy the consolations of his grace. ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer
The greatest lie the devil has infiltated is that a sinner is a saved person, that a sinner can be a Spirit filled person. There is no where in the Bible and I challenge anyone here, theres no one in the Bible that considers a sinner a saved person.
Sin trespasses the spirit... we have changed the gospel and that is why we have so many people so full of demons. Because the gospel has been so watered down...
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1 John 3:6-10
We train people to repeat little things and we have turned the most powerful gospel, the most powerful essence of God in the world into little formulas that have millions of people bound up to lies. That's how we train our disciples today, this is what you have to say, this is what you don't have to say, we teach them how to discuss, but not how to manifest the Glory that destroys the enemy.
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: Murgatroid
I could see there being some conspiracy in the past to spread a once saved always saved doctrine, in efforts to bring more people under control of the flock. Kind of reminds me of when the Vatican sold Indulgences. I wonder when once saved always saved first came about on the scene.
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
I wonder when once saved always saved first came about on the scene.
The doctrine of once-saved-always-saved is a new belief introduced approximately fifty years ago by secular progressive clergy eager to lift the “burden” of God’s Word off the backs of unrepentant sinners. Prior to then there was not one major denomination that preached or believed the once-saved-always-saved lie many now consider Gospel.
ONCE-SAVED-ALWAYS-SAVED IS A DEADLY LIE
On August 3, 1979, Howard Pittman, a Baptist minister for 35 years, died while on the operating table during surgery and had a near-death experience.
Instead of allowing me to enter, the angel stationed me before the Gates, slightly to one side. He instructed me to stay there and watch as the saints were permitted to enter into Heaven. This point was so important that the Holy Spirit told me Himself. I watched the fifty saints enter Heaven, but the point I missed was the time frame involved.
It was explained to me that at the same time those fifty saints died on Earth, 1,950 other humans also died; or only 50 out of 2000 made it into Heaven. That other 1,950 were not there. Where were they? That was only 2 ½ percent going to Heaven! Ninety seven point five percent did not make it! Is that representative of the entire world today? If so, 97 ½ percent of the population of this world today is not ready to meet God. Placebo by Howard Pittman
Christians in Hell
The two angels escorted me to Hell. I then saw many pastors, elders, and deacons in Hell. I asked the angel, “I know them. They had served God faithfully while on the Earth. They had died some time ago. We all had thought they were in Heaven with God. But now, I see them all in Hell and they are crying out that it is so hot! Why are they here?” There were so many pastors, elders, deacons and all other lay believers.
The angel answered, “Pastor Park Yong Gyu, a person can appear to be a true follower of Christ on the outside but God knows the heart.
There are multitudes of churches on the Earth and many of the churches are filled with many people. However, most of them are not true Christians. They are but church attendants. The true churches will firmly believe in Heaven and a Hell. The lives of many Christians are in chaos because they do not firmly believe in Heaven and Hell. When one soul enters Heaven, one thousand cursed souls enter Hell. The rate of Heaven and Hell is 1 to 1000.” (Matt 7:14)
Heaven & Hell 1000 to 1
Bishop Wilfred Lai is the founder and senior Pastor of Jesus Celebration Center in Mombasa, Kenya and it is a church of over 15,000 members. One day he asked the Lord how many of them were ready for heaven and the Lord told him only 200. Only 1% of that church is going to heaven! Dr. Lai said that some pastors have created large groups of sinners meeting in the name of God. “What you have are not churches, but large congregations of sinners.”
Message from Pastor Wilfred Lai
Obviously, my path in life took a different route. So my question to the theologically minded here at ATS. Will we see each other in Heaven? Or has my name (and those of other former Christians) been blotted from the Book of Life?
originally posted by: Treespeaker
Yes but then if "heaven" exists....or doesn't for folks then it still is what it is. Positivity in your life on a more than casual basis is a good thing and good news, doesn't always take anything extra, if it's good then it's good. If the interpretation of life is negative than it takes only oneself to turn it around, it's a hard pill to swallow. Context does not relate to what is. Does an omnipotent being need to follow name and pretext? It is what it is, if it was a bush on fire or whatever, would it matter? Same message more than around everything.....life and a definition of it.
"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" - Luke 6:46
"But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful." - Luke 6:35-36
"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again." - Luke 6:37-38
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
Why even discuss religious texts in the first place if you do not believe them?
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
Personally I enjoy discussing religion with atheist with the hope one day they will reconsider their decision concerning Christianity.