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WTC-7 Mysteries FINALLY Solved.

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posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: skyeagle409


That won't fly. "AE911 Truth" has been discredited and It's history already.


That is one of the biggest fallacy I have heard so far.

That is your "opinion", now show me the science that discredits A&E science.




posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: Informer1958




You can bad mouth, ridicule and claim all the fallacies against A&E all you want. I want the scientific proof?

You have been shown proof over and over.
At some point we have to just let you believe what you want to.
This conspiracy isn't a conspiracy at all.
Just a few quick buck artists bamboozling a very small minority of people.

In reality the world doesn't care what conspiracy believers think.
No one is listening to you and never will.

I'll leave you with this.
Forget the science.
Ask yourself why the world doesn't pay any attention to these conspiracy hawkers?
A wise man on the internet once said if you turn off your computer all these conspiracies go away.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: Informer1958

Well, when you have 9/11 truthers bashing "AE911 Truth" for its deception and lies, what more can I say? BTW, were you aware of a group that at one time had worked for "AE911 Truth," attacking "AE911 Truth" for the way it was doing business?
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posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 04:30 PM
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Well, when you have 9/11 truthers bashing "AE911 Truth" for its deception and lies,


Another fallacy.

I have never read anywhere on the internet that 911 Truther are bashing A&E.

This is your "opinion". You show me a group of 911 Truther bashing A&E and I don't want to see your evidence from a bias OS website like 911 Myths.

You show me that the science of A&E are lies, with credible science? and please post your sources.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: samkent


You have been shown proof over and over.


The only thing I have seen is tampered videos, he said, she said, and "opinions".


This conspiracy isn't a conspiracy at all.
Just a few quick buck artists bamboozling a very small minority of people.


No conspiracy, LOL


In reality the world doesn't care what conspiracy believers think.
No one is listening to you and never will.


That is why you are here reading what people are uncovering.


I'll leave you with this.
Forget the science.


No lets not leave out the science. The fact is Science is the only way to prove how things work. Perhaps "opinions" is your science.

I'll leave this with you, Do you have "any credible science" that proves the OS true? No I didn't think so.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 05:13 PM
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Twin Towers Evidence Blows Away Fire Collapse Theory


The catastrophic destruction of the World Trade Center complex is said by government reports to have resulted from structural failure due mainly to fires initiated by the impacts of the airplanes. A closer look at the evidence reveals a much more disturbing crime.

Apart from the fact that no steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fire prior to or since Sept. 11, the manner in which the buildings came down is itself a substantial cause for re-investigation. A collapse due to fire would likely proceed gradually with large deformations visible in the building’s perimeter, with the building tipping over slowly in the direction of the steadily weakening structural members – to the path of least resistance.
Yet the Twin Towers both came down quite suddenly, without warning, and without any “jolts” that would indicate the upper mass impacting the lower mass. The smooth rate of descent was measured at 2/3 of free-fall. In other words, the building was accelerating (traveling faster and faster second by second) straight down through what should have been the path of greatest resistance – the 80,000 tons of structural steel below that was at least five times stronger than necessary to resist this load. Physicists and other experts agree that this could have happened only if the underlying supporting structures were removed ahead of the falling upper building mass. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) acknowledges that each building was destroyed in fewer than a dozen seconds, and that they “came down essentially in free-fall”.

More than a hundred first responders reported experiencing explosions and/or flashes of light as the destruction commenced. Much of this evidence was also captured on video by multiple cameras. EMT Captain Karin Deshore, in a Nov. 7, 2001, New York Times interview, described the astonishing events like this: “Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound - and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building.” There are many similar accounts in this astonishing series of oral recordings effected by NYC Fire Commissioner, Thomas Von Essen, but kept hidden by the city of New York until it was ordered by a federal appeals court to release them to the New York Times.


www1.ae911truth.org...

Are you going to say all these eyewitness accounts are lies?


Also captured on video and still photos were isolated explosive jets of material expelled from the sides of the structure 20-60 stories below the so-called “crush zone”. These precisely mimic what are known as “squibs” in the controlled demolition industry. Normally such charges are used to cut structural steel members so that the structure is able to fall with little to no resistance. The stack of 110 four inch thick concrete floors in both towers, each an acre in size, are missing from the rubble pile where photos reveal only a two-story pile of metal debris. A gravitational collapse should have left a pile of floors about 20 stories tall.


The fact is many of the videos depict this, are you going to deny this to?


As the WTC skyscrapers disintegrated before the eyes of stunned observers, steel framing sections weighing nine tons were hurled up to 600 feet away. This required an explosive force capable of ejecting these perimeter wall units at up to 70 mph as if shot out of a cannon. Some 90,000 tons of concrete and metal decking were pulverized, creating pyroclastic-like flows (hot gases with suspended solids) similar to those observed and filmed during the explosion of the Mt. St. Helens volcano.
When the clouds of dust settled, what was left were remarkably symmetrical 1,400 foot diameter debris fields consisting mainly of completely dismembered structural steel framing. Although the media often repeats that the Twin Towers’ concrete floors came down like a series of stacked pancakes, there were in fact no pancaked floors to be found in the photos or videos of the debris piles. “There’s no concrete... it was pulverized,” gasped Gov. Pataki at his first visit to the site.


www1.ae911truth.org...

Prove to me with credible science that this is not true?



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 05:45 PM
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Some 90,000 tons of concrete and metal decking were pulverized, creating pyroclastic-like flows (hot gases with suspended solids)


This is very telling, I have read some of the oral history's, some of the FDNY said that flow was so hot they thought they were going to get burned up. So where did the heat come from, not from gravity..




steel framing sections weighing nine tons were hurled up to 600 feet away. This required an explosive force capable of ejecting these perimeter wall units at up to 70 mph


That speaks volumes as well..
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posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Informer1958




You can bad mouth, ridicule and claim all the fallacies against A&E all you want. I want the scientific proof?

You have been shown proof over and over.
At some point we have to just let you believe what you want to.
This conspiracy isn't a conspiracy at all.
Just a few quick buck artists bamboozling a very small minority of people.

In reality the world doesn't care what conspiracy believers think.
No one is listening to you and never will.

I'll leave you with this.
Forget the science.
Ask yourself why the world doesn't pay any attention to these conspiracy hawkers?
A wise man on the internet once said if you turn off your computer all these conspiracies go away.


It is pointless to argue with someone who doesn't want to hear how the A&E organization is conning them, that A&E "science" is garbage, and that A&E are a parody of themselves. Gage is a complete fraud. Jones doesn't understand chemistry. Even some of the less brainwashed Truthers have come to realize that AE 911 Truth is promoting anything but truth.
As long as the fools support A&E, Gage will keep it alive even though there are very few Architects or engineers in the organization.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: pteridine

...said the debunked debunker, who got lost on Newtons Laws in the first place. That's funny!

Let me guess: you promote the truth? Which one is it then? Yours?



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: pteridine

...said the debunked debunker, who got lost on Newtons Laws in the first place. That's funny!

Let me guess: you promote the truth? Which one is it then? Yours?



I will be happy to debate you on Jones' paint paper and show you the light. I did not get lost on Newton's laws, I asked how you thought that they applied. You are obviously a fanboy of Gage and his motley A&E crew.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 09:28 PM
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Another fallacy.


Go back and read my post or do I have to post it again?



You show me that the science of A&E are lies,


Go back and read my post and then, pay attention.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 09:35 PM
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From you link.



Apart from the fact that no steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fire prior to or since Sept. 11,


How many steel-framed high-rise buildings were struck by B-767's? How many of those buildings suffered massive impact damage as was the case with WTC7?

Most of all, how many of those buildings retained their fire protection because they were not struck by a B-767 or had their steel ctructures encased in concrete?



Indications of the Imminent Collapse of the World Trade Center Buildings Disprove Explosives Theory

Scientists investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 collapse of the twin towers said, "the World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground." There would not be telltale signs if it was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse.

"In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m." New York Daily News reporter Paul Shin wrote in his June 19th, 2004 article 9/11 cops saw collapse coming.

"Federal engineering investigators studying the destruction of the World Trade Center's twin towers on Sept. 11 said New York Police Department aviation units reported an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed, a signal they were about to fall." - NYC Police Saw Sign of Tower Collapse, Study Says

Several minutes before the WTC buildings collapsed, the structures of the buildings were clearly failing and the exterior steel columns could be seen buckling. This simply would not be happening if explosives caused the collapse because explosives don't go off in slow motion for several minutes. Explosives don't slowly buckle steel columns over several minutes.

Obviously, the way an actual controlled explosion happens is the explosives all go off in a matter of seconds. There simply would not be warning signs that the buildings were about to be demolished by explosives, it would of course just suddenly happen. But that is not what happened, the buildings did notsuddenly collapse without any indications that they would. Instead, the fires were compromising the structural integrity of the buildings and the buildings' support structures failed.

Exterior columns buckled because the fires weakened the floor trusses and the floors sagged. The sagging floors pulled on intact column connections so as the floors sagged down, they pulled the exterior columns inward. This inward bowing of the exterior columns was evident to observers such as the police helicopters circling the towers.

"The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings." They could see that the exterior steel beams of the buildings were bowing. You can see the inward bowing of the steel columns in pictures of both WTC 2, (the first building to collapse) and WTC 1 (the second building to collapse.)
Buckling Steel

Dr. Shyam Sunder, lead investigator for NIST's building and fire safety investigation into the WTC disaster, said, "While the buildings were able to withstand the initial impact of the aircraft, the resulting fires that spread through the towers weakened support columns and floors that had fireproofing dislodged by the impacts. This eventually led to collapse as the perimeter columns were pulled inward by the sagging floors and buckled." "The reason the towers collapsed is because the fireproofing was dislodged," according to Sunder. If the fireproofing had remained in place, Sunder said, the fires would have burned out and moved on without weakening key elements to the point of structural collapse." - Latest Findings From NIST World Trade Center Investigation Released

"According to Shyam Sunder, the concave bowing of the steel was seen on the sides of the towersopposite where the planes hit them. At 10:06 a.m. that morning, an officer in a police helicopter reported that ``it's not going to take long before the north tower comes down.'' This was 20 minutes before it collapsed. In another radio transmission at 10:21 a.m., the officer said he saw buckling in the north tower's southern face, Shyam Sunder said."

www.representativepress.org...


Towers Weakened by Planes; Brought Down by Fire

WASHINGTON, D.C., MAY 1, 2002
Analysis by a team of 25 of the nation's leading structural and fire protection engineers suggests that the World Trade Center Towers could have remained standing indefinitely if fire had not overwhelmed the weakened structures, according to a report presented today at a hearing of the House Science Committee. That finding is significant, said W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., team lead for the ASCE/FEMA Building Performance Study Team, because extreme events of this type, resulting in such substantial damage, are generally not considered in building design, and the fact that these structures were able to successfully withstand such damage is noteworthy.

Only a handful of architects and engineers question the NIST Report, but they have never come up with an alternative. Although at first blush it may seem impressive that these people don't believe the NIST Report, remember that there are 123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.

911-engineers.blogspot.com...

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posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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And how do you think they applied? You are obviously not a fanboy of the Lee Group and wanna stick to your talking-points instead. Maybe you just try to avoid a discussion regarding their findings?

Give me that lighter back, you can forget about Jones for a second. Name-calling is all you've got to offer?



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 09:50 PM
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his is very telling, I have read some of the oral history's, some of the FDNY said that flow was so hot they thought they were going to get burned up. So where did the heat come from, not from gravity..


Rusty steel and iron in storage are known to generate temperatures high enough to start fires and there was a lot of steel at ground zero. Thermite and explosives do not generate long-termed heat generation.



Iron Burns

Sometimes a big load of iron in a ship can get hot. The heat can even set other materials on fire. That’s because the iron is rusting, which means it is burning very, very slowly. Iron rusts in a chemical reaction called oxidation. That means the iron reacts with oxygen gas from the air.

Oxidation is the chemical reaction that occurs when anything burns in air. Like most oxidations, rusting gives off heat."


You can generate heat on a much smaller scale in your kitchen using steel wool and vinegar.
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posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 09:56 PM
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This below is from your sources.


I guess a lot of you have heard about the website ae911truth where a group of individuals claim that what happened to WTC 1, 2 and 7 could not have happened. This is just a claim, because they have nothing to show for their allegation that it could not have happened the way it did. You won't find any calculations that show how the NIST Report is wrong. On this site, you will find many structural engineers - those who actually know what they are talking about - explaining why the towers collapsed the way they did. So feel free to look at all the information I have gathered about the research done on the collapse on the towers. The research has been published in numerous engineering magazines and all over the internet on engineering sites (See the links on the right side of this site).


www.representativepress.org...

You are posting yellow journalism. Based on some idiot "opinions".

Where is your science to debunk A&E?

The truth of this matter is you cant find any, after 14 years no scientist in the world has made a credible case against A&E.
All you can do now, is post "opinionated", yellow journalism News articles, mostly opinionated for the OS.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 09:57 PM
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hat is why you are here reading what people are uncovering.


What did they uncover that will result in breaking news on TV or can be used in a court of law? Post the list for all to see.
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posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 10:02 PM
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We can start here again.



The Poorly Scripted Cognitive Infiltration of AE911Truth and Tom Sullivan’s Lies of Omission

Richard Gage’s Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth seems to be spreading more and more disinformation since Gregg Roberts has come on board and their latest foray into anti-detcord disinfo (Tom Sullivan section starts at 1:34:35 into the video) with CDI (primary suspect for the demolition of the Trade Centers) explosives loader Tom Sullivan, is no exception.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 10:02 PM
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What did they uncover that will result in breaking news on TV or can used in a court of law? Post the list for all to see.


LOL, Everyone knows that the mainstream propaganda media only talks about the OS nothing else.

Everyone knows our media is controlled and censored.

Your real funny.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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From my reference.



AE911Truth lies about "118 Witnesses", is made aware, then lies further

"They've finally done it. The Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth has now lost any shred of dignity or honesty they may have once had"



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 10:07 PM
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You're funny by the fact you fabricated another false story and thinking no one would notice.
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