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And, at that point, a different position was taken by some of the Allied countries. There were divisions within the class as to how much money should have been expended on these Fascists. There were others there who supported them, but it was time to regroup. It was time to back off a little, to try to get what they had together. The resources were more or less expended in the effort to set up a permanent war economy, which Charles Wilson from General Electric talked about. And to go into what they called the `Cold War,' or `low intensity warfare,' and genocide against Third World people, while they continued to build the empire and maintain the hegemony. And to re-establish the Fourth Reich, the Fascism, not only here in the United States but throughout the world.
The death of FDR brought about a sea-change in America that restored to power essentially the same group that had gained control under Woodrow Wilson and hugely expanded that power under Herbert Hoover. They were the same people who would have preferred an alliance with the Nazis against the Soviets, but were outmaneuvered by FDR and Churchill. Many of them had never lost power under FDR, simply submerging, remaining as a 5th Column, or taking refuge in the OSS, or on Wall Street. Averell Harriman, for example, posed as a Democrat, while his magazine NEWSWEEK became a key reactionary instrument in attacking the credentials of war crimes investigators, journalists, and sabotaging systematically the long-projected reform of Japan into a democratic society. Only land reform was accomplished before the group including Hoover, Harriman, Morgan, Rockefeller, and others using General MacArthur as their cat’s-paw, were able to redeem Hirohito, free all the indicted war criminals from Sugamo Prison, and enlist the most dangerous of them to suppress any form of democracy, labor unions, or multi-party democracy, returning Japanese government to the wartime fascists where power remains today. This was done not only to fulfill America’s Puritanical obsession with righteous money, but to acquire Japan (the most industrialized country in Asia) as an economic ally, and as a fascist bulwark against the encroaching Maoists, Stalinists, Trotskyites, or any group of underdogs whose protests could easily be labeled Leftist. Control of US and European media was a priority, a lesson learned from Goebbels, and the vast treasures looted by the Nazis and the Japanese were used in secret slush funds to acquire newspapers, magazines, radio and later television, throughout the world. This was an imperfect effort at Mediopoly, but it had the result of numbing down the audience. And in the meantime war crimes investigators who persisted in Asia were victims of “assisted suicide” or mysterious plane crashes. Thousands of European and Asian POWs and civilian prisoners and slave laborers were buried alive in mine shafts and treasure vaults by Japanese corporations like Mitsubishi, while survivors were warned not to pursue lawsuits for compensation. Those tainted Japanese corporations quickly regained their global leverage, claiming that their war crimes had been the work of different, earlier, management.
John Simkin, on Feb 2 2007, 09:57 AM, said:
(3) What was the motivation of the American authorities to cover-up these events?
Sterling Seagrave :
Ultimately, the motive of American politicians, financiers, industrialists, lobbyists, and their journalistic pawns, was to replace global European empires with an American empire - to profit in countless ways from WW2 as they had from WW1. They were quick to do so, so quick that OSS agents in Bangkok who thought they were still at war with fascism were astonished to be replaced overnight by CIA agents who were allied with fascism against communism - publicly. It soon became evident even to the slow-witted among them that power and leverage were attained and secured by money, so once the Nazi and Japanese war loot was in the pipeline, drugs and the laundering of drug money replaced gold as the universal standard backing the dollar. It is no exaggeration to say that the day after WW2 ended, Richard Nixon woke up in bed with Meyer Lansky.
The aluminum wings and the planes their fuselages would have been almost instantly shredded into pieces the size of an adult's fist, said Tomasz Wierzbicki, director of the impact and crash-worthiness laboratory at M.I.T. (Massachusets Institute of Technology)
Engines and other heavy parts continued to the core, but by working out the amount of energy involved, Dr. Wierzbicki and a student, Liang Xue, determined that at most half the inner columns could have been broken or severely mangled.
Source : New York Times.
In a September 1, 2006, New York Times article, "U.S. moves to debunk ‘alternative theories’ on Sept. 11 attacks", Jim Dwyer reports that the National Institute of Standards and Technology, an agency of the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, disputes Professor Jones’ suggestion. NIST believes that such "enormous quantities of thermite would have to be applied to the structural columns to damage them", that engineered demolition is not feasible.
Gentle reader, note what NIST is saying.!
If no reasonable quantity of the explosive thermite which is used for engineered demolition (LT : or TBs used as in the Szechnia War by the Russian military, to collapse high rise buildings with sniper nests in them), could damage the powerful buildings, the measly energy from an airliner, a bit of jet fuel, and gravity could not have collapsed the buildings.
Source : Peoples Voice.
originally posted by: [post=21162994]LaBTop
Watch at 2:48 minutes into that 3 minutes long video, titled "Rockets at the World Trade Center", which shows the first seconds of the South Tower collapse from its 2:37 minute point onward.
originally posted by: [post=21163015]LaBTop
This above Spanish news video shows as the best, that a NATURAL collapse of a steel high rise
originally posted by: [post=21163045]LaBTop
Well, Charles M. Beck DID remove half of all those core columns from his engineering math calculations, and to top it off, he also removed half of ALL the inner and outer steel its strength....
originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: LaBTop
Solved the day it happened. Buildings that aren't hit by falling debris or aircraft and only had a small contained fire on 1-2 floors DON"T collapse of their own accord. Explosives inside the building is the ONLY answer.
"Artfully crafted - manages to convince cumulatively that there are still questions to answer" - Joe Gill - Journalist - Middle East Eye
"Absolutely first rate! The film manages to navigate the broad aspects of 9/11, with all the complexity, and even tie it with 7/7 and JFK, while avoiding the pitfalls of discredited speculative theories. I have no hesitation in sharing this with anyone" - David Chandler, retired physics teacher.
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Section 15 Article 3 of the UK Terrorism Act (2000) states:
(3) A person commits an offense if he— (a) provides money or other property, and (b) knows or has REASONABLE CAUSE to suspect that it will or may be used for the purposes of terrorism.
This film gives us more than REASONABLE CAUSE to suspect that in the UK we are ALL guilty of funding the purposes of terrorism through our taxes and funding of the BBC.
originally posted by: LaBTop
Tony is the man from England that went to court and won,
Rooke, who admitted owning a TV and watching it without a licence, was found guilty of using an unlicensed set, given a six-month conditional discharge and told to pay £200 costs.
Judge Imposimato : "The 9/11 attacks were a global terror operation permitted by the administration of the USA, which had foreknowledge of the operation, yet remained intentionally unresponsive, in order to make war against Afghanistan and Iraq.
To put it briefly, the 9/11 events were an instance of the strategy of tension enacted by political and economic powers in the USA to seek advantages for the oil and arms industries".
Obsidian Wolf, 3 month ago.
Building 7 is the best obvious proof.
If the Pentagon wasn't enough or if asymmetrical damage on WTC 1&2 leading to near symmetrical collapse wasn't good enough. If eyewitness testimony of fire personnel, police, civilians, and rescue crews talking about multiple explosions before and during isn't enough. If the only consistent constant is the inconsistency of the official stories and expert opinion isn't enough. Just ignore everything else and focus on building 7.
Fire has never before caused a collapse of a steel reinforced high rise (LT : higher than 15 stories). Even NIST admits this much.
There are larger and less reinforced buildings that have burned days and weeks longer yet never fell.
NIST even updated their report to say that for at least 2.25 seconds that building did experience free fall. The equivalent of 8 stories (100 ft.) So for at least 100 feet, free-fall officially happened. Free fall can only be achieved when all resistance under it is removed.
Once the penthouse folds in on itself the entire building takes about 7 seconds to collapse.
Dozens of witnesses saw, heard, or felt the collapse, some were warned to move prior to being told it was coming down or being brought down.
Vast footage shows explosions that can be seen, some appear sequential, there is also audio evidence.
Remember, no plane on this one, no jet fuel excuse, just furniture, paper, electronics, etc. Jowenko (Dutch demolitions company owner, RIP) is one example of an expert on the subject who absolutely understands from footage alone the professionalism and efficiency is proof positive of collapse from explosives.
Medical crews were told to move triage because the building was to be brought down.
Fire teams received the same warning.
Are the eyewitness testimonies of fire personnel, police, rescue crews, civilians, and the conclusions of experts on the subject, and civilians all telling lies?
Silverstein had the building reinforced far beyond requirements to accommodate Solomon Brothers (brokerage firm) $200 million in reinforcement -
Silverstein (New York Times, 1989):
"We built in enough redundancy to allow entire portions of floors to be removed without affecting the building's structural integrity...more than 375 tons of steel - requiring 12 miles of welding - will be installed to reinforce floors..."
The 911 commission report states:
"what may have happened...will require additional study..." regarding WTC 7.
NIST admits this is the first time in history a building taller than 15 stories fell due to fire
NIST's official answer (theory) is office fires
NIST ignored testimony and never tested debris for explosive residue
NIST updated to admit at least some free fall did occur
NIST changed drafts omitting certain parts of the structure
NIST's computer models are inconsistent with video footage of the collapse
NIST classified its input data for computer models in the name of public safety
And anyone wanting to use NIST's conclusion as scientific evidence needs to remember :
no NIST report has been or is open for peer-review and therefore is not to be accepted as proof, evidence, or a sound conclusion, scientifically or otherwise.
There were closer and more damaged burning buildings that did not collapse.
Varied theories are not as important as the fact that questions exist. Theories arise and are ridiculed because the "official" answer is unacceptable, illogical, and has no support given the evidence. People come up with their own answers because they don't accept BS, not because they are crazy or paranoid. The fact that questions remain is blatant in itself as proof that we have been lied to absolutely regarding all the details surrounding the horrible events of that day.
The Chief of Fire Sciences at the time, (now former) leading expert worldwide on the subject of fire and fire safety, a decorated Ph.D., is now asking for an independent review, notes much inconsistencies, and admits lawyers blocked much of his inquiry.
Think about this carefully. The man in charge of fire and fire safety wants to see why other reasons and concepts besides fire causing collapse wasn't investigated, is very troubled by lack of timeline and inconsistent data, the models, and inconclusive tests performed. That should really speak volumes to supporters of the "official" fairy tales. Are they just going to label him crazy or paranoid as well? I wonder.
Thrashaero, 10 month ago :
The arc analysis is a bit flawed, given how the smoke arcs were descending as things fell, the center was being drawn down faster, not reflecting the actual arc. Either way, the explosiveness of flinging massive chunks in all 4 directions doesn't make any sense for a regular collapse.
Phong Tran, 6 month ago :
BUT WHAT REASON FOR USA GORVENMENT TO DID THAT?????????
Tony Duncan : What if, after all, the towers fell down ONLY because they were hit by passenger planes?
How is your maths and physics? If good enough, you can argue this point:
PRIMARY 9-11 CONSPIRACY ASSUMPTION SHOWN TO BE FALSE:
AN ANALYSIS OF THE AMOUNT AND DESTINATION OF THE POTENTIAL ENERGY OF A WTC TOWER
A standing WTC tower possessed two hundred and forty six tons of TNT of POTENTIAL ENERGY merely by just standing there We shall call this energy Eo.
(LT : he provides the calculation of it a bit further down).
The tower fell by taking the direction of LEAST RESISTANCE, which was THROUGH ITS BUCKLING COLUMNS.
The columns failed by BUCKLING because their STRUCTURAL STABILITY had been compromised by LOSS OF FLOOR ATTACHMENTS. No steel got crushed when this buckling failure occurred.
The floors had detached themselves by sagging to an angle which snapped their connections. Photographs of these separated floors (taken shortly before collapse) are plainly shown in the NIST Report.
Tony Duncan : As each tower fell some of that stored energy, converting to kinetic energy by falling, was released to damage and dismantle itself on the way down.
The amount of the initial energy consumed in such a manner was inversely proportional to the rate of acceleration of the tower as it descended. It can be calculated. We shall call it Ed.
The amount of energy remaining (Er) when the tower wreckage hit ground zero is then (Eo - Ed).
This energy, transferred elastically, caused PLASTIC DEFORMATION in the crushed base steel wreckage, and became HEAT. This too can be calculated.
The heat was considerable. The signs of it were captured by satellite. It amounted to the equivalent of a thousand tons of steel raised to a temperature exceeding 1,000 degrees Centigrade.
Tony Duncan : This hot steel oxidized its surface and absorbed local oxygen gas, leaving a reducing atmosphere.
In these reducing conditions, and at a temperature of 1,000+ degrees C, fireman’s water which had percolated through crushed gypsum wall boarding DISSOLVED calcium sulfate, the sulfate ions of which were reduced to sulfur which combined with the exposed iron to form IRON SULFIDE, which at such temperatures is MOLTEN. It flowed away.
Such hot reducing conditions also caused the water/steam to be REDUCED to hydrogen gas which was noted by firemen to be burning at the surface of the wreckage.
CALCULATIONS (in SI units):
To calculate the original potential energy of the tower in TNT equivalent,
G = 9.81 metres/sec^2
Mass (M) of tower = 5e8 Kg
Height (h) to the tower’s CG = 210 metres
1 ton of TNT (Kt) is equivalent to 4.184e9 Joules
Equation: PE(Eo) = ( M * G * h ) / Kt = ( 5e8 * 9.81 * 210 ) / 4.184e9 = 246 tons of TNT.