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WTC-7 Mysteries FINALLY Solved.

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posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 07:37 PM

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: hellobruce

No, not a holographic plane at all.

You really are very confused, you claimed

The maneuver overhead the Pentagon could not have been flown by anybody,

So it was not a plane, it must have been a holographic plane? Or what was it aactually?
remember, it had to have the same wheels as a 757
the same engines as a 757,
the same undercarriage as a 757,
the same passengers and crew as Flight 77,
the same fuselage as a AA 757....

A holographic plane might be possible Bruce but you're the only one bringing that up. You and John Lear might believe that dis-info. Unlike you Bruce I have to have some evidence before I speculate. You might be right though. A hologram is possible. I heard they are getting very advanced whilst listening to the Art Bell radio show years ago. LOL
edit on 21-6-2016 by Doctor Smith because: (no reason given)

posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 07:44 PM
A reply to: hellobruce

You all forgot what I told you to never forget ?

These presumed hijackers flew that Flight 77 plane according to the "recovered" FDR, already ten minutes before it started its near full circling descend :


Up till the impact at column 14 in the West wall of the Pentagon, while putting that bird about 10 to 5 meters above the grass, in the last 300 meters of flight.
That must have given quite a jittery feeling in the wrists of that "pilot", while he was busy to keep that plane from jumping up like a jitterbug in those last 5 seconds, fighting the still present ground effect at those speeds as advertised by those last falsified 5 seconds of flight path :

Flutter : my a$$tude behind.

posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 09:58 PM
a reply to: LaBTop

That must have given quite a jittery feeling in the wrists of that "pilot", while he was busy to keep that plane from jumping up like a jitterbug in those last 5 seconds, fighting the still present ground effect at those speeds as advertised by those last falsified 5 seconds of flight path :

A great fine.

I cannot imagine how on earth the pilot was able to keep the aircraft from slamming inches off the ground while increasing the speed at the same time.

There is no doubt in my mind that the plane had to be shaken violently just due to the ground speed and the pressure under the plane.

posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 11:11 AM
I have to cross-link my 3 answers to the above post by Informer1958, it has no sense to double post them :

While you're there, do take the time to read all my new posts above those 3 last posts also, on that thread's page 32.

posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 12:53 PM
I would like to proceed now with the subject of this thread. WTC 7.

So, back to Joe Webber, Special Customs Agent for New York on 9/11, let's see what we can find through Search Engines :

Madam Speaker, I also want to mention Joe Webber, who is the special agent in charge of the Customs office in New York. For over 21/2 years, the Customs Service has been investigating a Colombian money laundering scheme called Operation Wire Cutter which involved the illegal exchange of drug-based dollars into pesos in Colombia. Following the September 11 attacks, it appeared that 21/2 years of investigative material was lost and that that investigation was for naught because the evidence compiled and housed in 6 World Trade Center was not available. Mr. Webber, however, kept the faith. He still thought there was a chance to retrieve the information. A month after the attacks, he convinced fire officials to lower him into the wreckage of World Trade Center 6 to search for the evidence. Fortunately, yes, perhaps miraculously, as the gentleman from California (Mr. Becerra) said, Mr. Webber was able to find that evidence which led to the seizure of $8 million and the arrest of several individuals involved in this scheme. The terrorists had lost.

Seems a dedicated professional to me. And a REAL American.

posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 12:56 PM
Read also in this US Customs Service link from History Commons, the last entry :

May 13-June 30, 2003: FBI Wins Battle to Control Finance Investigations

The FBI and Customs Department had been waging a bureaucratic war over control of Operation Greenquest, a controversial but largely fruitful Customs terrorist finance investigation (see After March 20, 2002-Early 2003). On May 13, 2003, Attorney General John Ashcroft and Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge signed a memorandum of agreement giving the FBI near total control over all terrorist finance investigations. According to the memorandum, if the FBI feels the case is related to terrorist financing and should belong to them, “the investigation and operation of the matter shall be led by the FBI.” The agreement also effectively ends Greenquest. The memo states, “The Secretary [of Homeland Security] agrees that no later than June 30, 2003, Operation Greenquest will no longer exist as a program name.” [National Review, 5/27/2003]

Seems the Cabal didn't like the separate, fruitful investigation into terrorists financing....
Looks as if they can control the FBI, but had trouble controlling Customs.

More in the same link, on the Greenquest investigation by Customs Service ( Joe Webber) :

Throughout 2002, al-Awlaki is also the subject of an active Customs investigation into money laundering called Operation Greenquest, but he is not arrested for this either, or for the earlier contemplated prostitution charges. [WorldNetDaily, 8/16/2003] At the time, the FBI is fighting Greenquest, and Customs officials will later accuse the FBI of sabotaging Greenquest investigations (see After March 20, 2002-Early 2003).

posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 12:57 PM

WTC 6 was an eight-story building that stood directly northeast of the the North Tower (WTC 1). Its tenants consistent almost entirely of federal government agencies. It housed the offices of 760 employees of the U.S. Customs service.
800 workers were evacuated from WTC 6 within 12 minutes of the first plane striking the North Tower. That impact caused debris to rain down on the roof of Building 6, which was adjacent to the impacted wall of the tower.

That's damn fast, evacuation drills must have been trained many times, after the 1995 WTC bombing. There were lots of exit doors.
And the second plane hit at 9:02:54 a.m., the first at 08:46:26 a.m.
That's 086060 - 084626 = 14 min 34 secs + 2 min 54 secs = 17 min 28 secs that went by in between the two plane hits.

It's thus clear by now, that

the Joe Webber party could easily reach
the closed OEM doors at the 23rd floor of WTC-7 in those 17.5 minutes.

And heard, felt and/or saw the second plane hit the South Tower from their position. Which let Joe Webber decide to go back to his offices in WTC-6, to save anyone still in, and save his precious Greenquest files.
He knew by now, that this was an attack and not an eventual accident anymore.

posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 12:59 PM
Subject: Who is blocking Dateline from showing an expose' on the FBI? The Full Webber interview is in this post. (Sorry for the Capitals usage, it's not mine)

-- snip --

(JOE WEBBER NAT SOT: The entire center of the building was a crater.)


(JOE WEBBER NAT SOT: And I was in this area here.)

(LT : that's a full out LIE, we know that he went down from the 7th floor in WTC-6 and crossed the Plaza and then went up to the 23rd floor in WTC-7 in the first 12 minutes that all 800 Customs personnel evacuated WTC-6.)


JOE WEBBER: I felt an obligation to make sure that the building was empty.
VICTORIA CORDERI: What were you thinking?
JOE WEBBER: Well there were some private thoughts there, but... I recall thinking that was the end. And thought of my family. Said a prayer.

He rushed back into his office AFTER the second plane struck : that was at 9:02:54 a.m. on 9/11.
That means that Joe Webber was at the closed doors from the 23rd floor OEM rooms and offices BEFORE and DURING that second plane slammed in the South Tower at 9:02:54 a.m.
They didn't tell the public in that 6/3/2005 (Friday) Dateline NBC episode, titled "Show #82", that Joe Webber was with his subordinates already at the CLOSED doors of the 23rd floor in WTC-7 of the OEM emergency rooms and offices around 9 o'clock.....Then the second plane hit the South Tower, and then he decided to go back to his office in WTC-6, probably to save important Greenquest terrorist-financing investigation files (he seems quite a dedicated fellow) and to see if there were any colleagues left behind, and got trapped there by falling debris from the collapse of the South Tower.
REMEMBER, it took no more than TWELVE minutes to evacuate 800 people from the 8 stories high WTC-6, after 0:8:46:26 a.m. when the first plane hit the North Tower.
So why should it have cost Webber more than 15 minutes to go from the 7th floor in WTC-6, immediately after the first plane struck, to the 23rd OEM floor in WTC-7.?
Especially since we know from Hess and Jennings that the express elevators in WTC-7 still worked when they went up to the 23rd floor, which took no more than 1 minute from Lobby to that halfway up 23rd floor in that 47 floors building.

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 02:22 PM
After having found all about Trooper Myrlin Wimbish, I started to Google with these search terms :
" Special Customs agent Joe Webber was at a staff meeting in WTC6 "
" Special Customs agent Joe Weber was at a staff meeting in WTC6 " (one "b" less gives a few other links ! )

It resulted in 2 of my threads as the first hits : : WHY FAKING >73° BANK-ANGLES for a NoC FLYING PLANE, page32

FDNY Chiefs KNEW WTC 2, 1 and 7 would FAIL, page 3
Read that long post closely too, and view the video at the bottom of that post at 0:45 seconds in the 8:54 minutes long video, where NYPD Sam Esposito tells you :

At 09:00, the NYPD offices in WTC-7 were closed : ""When I got there, headquarters had been closed, they'd 've went evacuating everybody.

Any New Yorker who can explain what text he's shortening there?
I hear him say : they'd 'ave went (or want) , which probably is meant to mean : they had went evacuating everybody. New Yorkish is not easy to comprehend at times.
One thing is now sure, the evacuation of WTC-7 was ordered directly after the first plane hit the North Tower. Which is totally illogical for the inhabitants of the 23rd floor, who's job it was to solve exactly such an emergency situation.
And, in total disagreement with all the years long lies from the authorities, that the order to evacuate WTC-7 was given either after 09:30, or after the first tower, WTC2S, collapsed, that's after 10 o'clock.
It's clear by now, that WTC-7 was already fully evacuated a few minutes after 9 o'clock.
Within 20 minutes maximum, after the first plane hit at 08:46:26 a.m.
And that Barry Jennings wasn't lying when he kept telling us over the years, that he and Hess arrived in the WTC-7 lobby shortly after 9 o'clock. And also found the OEM doors locked, just as Special Customs Agent Joe Webber found out around the same time.

Then these links :
WTC 7 Emergency Command Center Locked by 09:03 AM

Google excerpts : ... account by Joe Webber, the special agent in charge of US Customs for New York: Quote: Joe Webber was in a staff meeting that morning, on the seventh floor at Six World Trade Center ... Joe Webber Becomes a Whistleblower : Late 2002: FBI Hinders Customs Investigation into Bin Laden ... the lobby of WTC 7 as occupants from WTC 1 and WTC 6 evacuated through WTC 7.

In the above HistoryCommons link,
you can read this :

Joe Webber (photo at left), running the Houston office of the Department of Homeland Security’s Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, starts investigating a man believed to be raising money for Islamic militants. The suspect is in direct contact with people who are known to be associated with Osama bin Laden. Webber has good cooperation with the local FBI office, federal prosecutors in Houston, and Justice Department officials in Washington. However, he claims that FBI headquarters officials tell him point blank that he will not be allowed to conduct his investigation. After many months of delays from the FBI, friends from within the bureau tell him that headquarters will not allow the investigation to proceed because it is being run by Customs and not by the FBI. Webber is so upset that he eventually becomes a whistleblower. Sen. Charles Grassley and other politicians support his case and say there are other instances where the FBI impedes investigations because of turf battles. Asked if the FBI would put a turf battle above national security, Webber says, “That’s absolutely my impression. You would think, in a post-9/11 environment, that an event like that wouldn’t occur. But it did.” [MSNBC, 6/3/2005]

Go find his phone number, could not be that difficult with all info you've got now.
It could be that if you phone Joe Webber, that he could be giving an honest time indication for his arrival time at the closed doors of 23rd floor OEM, after he ordered his meeting party on the 7th floor of WTC-6 to come with him to the OEM offices in the 23rd floor of WTC-7.
At 08:47 a.m on 9/11/2001, one minute after Flight 11 slammed in the 94th to 98th floors of the North Tower, they began their descent in WTC-6 from its 7th floor, by still working express elevators. Then they ran over 50 meters Plaza area, over the wide promenade bridge into the Plaza Lobby of WTC-7, took an express elevator up there and found the doors of the OEM rooms and offices LOCKED already, just before, at or at most a few minutes after 9 o'clock. Just as Jennings and Hess also found out very shortly after.

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 02:31 PM
Then we have also this WTC-6 misinformation link, which is not so puzzling at all, what puzzles me is that such misconceptions are still up and running after so many years of explanations.

Which seems not puzzling at all but totally clear to me, based on a huge misconception by this person, he thinks the billowing white smoke on the left side of the North Tower and the collapsing South Tower is an explosion in WTC-6 at 9:02:54 a.m. when the second plane slammed in the top of the South Tower, while he doesn't realize that he drew that red circle in a News video screenshot of the end of the South Tower collapse at 09:59:04 to :13 a.m.
He seems to think that there are two towers still standing, but in fact we see only the North one still up. That smoke to the left AND right of the North Tower is from the WTC2S tower its immense collapse dust cloud.

I want to know what happened to flight 93 and why building 6 exploded immediately after United Airlines Flight 175 slammed into the South Tower, at about 9:03 a.m.

09:59:04 a.m. the South Tower collapsed. Not at 9:02:54 a.m., that's when the second plane hit.

Now that's cleared up, can the guy now post a correction on that page, or remove it.?
Can anybody who's also disliking this years-long up miss-info, attend him on his huge misconception.?

We however still have this reference from E.P. Heidner his Collateral Damage Part 1 pages :
ref 17, page 47 : (Link will follow next, don't get distracted now already)

9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby, February 10, 2006, as testified to by eye-witness Ground Zero EMT Patricia Ondrovic . One also needs to note the photographic evidence of Building 6 before the Towers fell, which show a large crater in the center of the building.

Can anybody show me those photos.! I don't know of them, at all. Only the ones AFTER the collapses, that I saw, had that huge round crater in them with all the facade columns and aluminum cladding strewn on the roof of WTC-6.
If photos from BEFORE any collapse exists, with a crater in WTC-6, and are really available, we must find them.

I don't think they exist...I am afraid E.P. Heidner leaned on this misinformation page, and another one, equally misinforming, from that professional photographer, Mr. Jack White. This one :

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 02:49 PM
There's also an earlier version from the 59 pages long, second link that came up in a Google search, that one is only 21 pages long by E.P. Heidner, named :
"Collateral Damage: September 11, 2001
A Historical Understanding of the Patriots Who Executed the Attacks to Protect Freedom
By E.P. Heidner" :

What few people know is that the buildings themselves were not the targets. Three offices in those buildings hit by the September 11 terrorists were the targets. All three offices shared a National Security secret. This report is about that National Security secret.
-- snip --
The fraudulent securities used to accomplish the original national security objective of ending the Cold War ended up in the vaults of the brokers in the World Trade Center, and were destroyed on September 11, 2001. They came due for settlement and clearing on September 12. The federal Agency investigating these bonds – The Office of Naval Intelligence - was in the section of the Pentagon that was destroyed on September 11. To a keygroup of senior National Security officials who had participated in the victory of the economic cold war in 1991, the WTC, the Pentagon, the four airliners and their occupants would become ‘collateral’ damage in the Cold War. Their deaths were required to hide the existence of the Black Eagle Trust, and the covert activities it had funded for over 50 years. The alternative view of these events suggests that the destruction of these lives and buildings constituted a cover-up of continued lawlessness by a fraternity or brotherhood of businessmen and criminals known as the Enterprise, the New World Order or the Trilateral Commission.

21 Pages about that. READ them, they are quite different from the following, extended, 59 pages long version : : Collateral Damage : U.S. Covert Operations and the Terrorist Attacks on September 11. His 59 Pages about US covert operations regarding 9/11. A report by E.P. Heidner from 28-06-2008. FULL of references and until then, and now, countless unknown facts.

Google excerpts : Building 6 was home to the U.S. Customs agency and the El Dorado Task force, ..... From the British Special Operations Executive (SOE) came ..... took control of the "Emergency Crisis Management Staff," in a Cabinet meeting. ...... prosecutor Mary Jo White, a first cousin to former President George Bush.

If at last, you as an interested reader, would like to know the REAL reasons behind 9/11, you must read this SUPERB report. After that, go read more E.P. Heidner links in Google, when you by then have much more insight, so you are now able to follow his lines of thought in his other work.
Just read and let it sink in. Especially the first two paragraphs on page 1 of this superb report.
You'll suddenly see the overall picture, without getting drawn into details too much.

Note my very first thread on ATS in 2005, and my directing you all to the ONI offices in the Pentagon. And what went on there...

page 2 : “All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran -- the number three guy in that office. "We lost our network, we lost all our computers, we lost all the equipment that we use as Secret Service Agents. Everything from machine-guns to our shotguns to our electronic equipment that we use." A lot of cases had to be closed as a result of losing that building.” [ref 16] (See note for additional references.)

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 03:01 PM
LT : this is ref 16, page 46 : This is all very important ! :

Ground Zero for the Secret Service, CyberCrime, July 23, 2002, article is based on original reporting by "CyberCrime" senior producer and co-host Alex Wellen; see also “The 47-story, WTC-7 burst into flame, several suspicious, small haphazard fires that raged hours through several key floors long after the twin towers fell. They should have been extinguished in minutes by the buildings fire system. Besides government agencies DOD, CIA, SS, IRS and Giuliani's "Command HQ," it also was home to the Security and Exchange Commission. Several of the floors housed records pertaining to multi-billion dollar investigations. The Los Angeles Times reported on September 17, 2001 that an estimated 3,000 to 4,000 cases were destroyed….” “So very unfortunately, lots of documentation and evidence was lost with the collapse of WTC 7. The CIA's clandestine New York station was lost, seriously disrupting United States intelligence operations…. Unfortunately, "Some further email records the committee has requested cannot be retrieved," wrote Citigroup Deputy General Counsel Jane Sherburne in an Aug. 7 letter to House Committee on Financial Services. "The backup tapes were lost when the building in which they were stored (7 WTC) was destroyed in the terrorist attack on September 11, 2001."

How convenient for some well known families, intertwined with all these investigations.
Author’s note: No IT professional stores back-up tapes in the same building as the hardware they are sourced from. Off-site storage for the WTC was vigorously pursued after the 1993 attack.

See also “But more importantly WTC 7…. housed high-level government offices including the FBI, CIA and the Secret Service. WTC 7 was also the storage facility for millions of files pertaining to active cases involving international drug dealing, organized crime, terrorism and money laundering.” From PBS Documentary: Silverstein, FDNY Razed WTC 7, Jeremy Baker; “WTC 7 had a clandestine CIA bunker on the 23rd floor, and offices were occupied by the Department of Defense (DOD), INS (Immigration & Natural Services), the IRS (Internal Revenue System), as well as some of the banks involved in shady wire transactions to the supposed Arab terrorists involved in 9/11.
Additionally, the SEC had much of its filings in WTC 7 - including Enron's SEC filings. WTC 7 was likely a central planning station for what really happened on 9/11.” From 9-11 Science Report, Dr, Stefan G.E. Grossman, Appendix D; "Maybe no financial institution lost more critical documents than the Securities and Exchange Commission, which had its New York regional office at 7 World Trade Center. While the regulatory agency was fortunate in that it lost no employees in the terror attacks, it suffered setbacks in a number of long-running securities investigations."
From ; "Regardless of what the regulators say, they lost a ton of files," says Bill Singer, a New York securities lawyer, who says one case he had pending before the SEC quickly settled because so many of the original documents were destroyed. "In my opinion it was a wholesale loss of documents."
From ; “What's curious, especially given all the Wall Street scandals later in the year, is that Building 7 was where the SEC was storing files related to numerous Wall Street investigations. All the files for approximately 3,000 to 4,000 SEC cases were destroyed. Some were backed up in other places, but many were not, especially those classified as confidential. [National Law Journal, 9/17/01] Lost files include documents that could show the relationship between Citigroup and the World Com bankruptcy. [The Street, 8/9/02] The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission estimates over 10,000 cases will be affected. [New York Law Journal, 9/14/01]
The Secret Service also lost investigative files. Says one agent: "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building." From Tech TV, 7/23/02; “It is also eventually revealed that there was a secret CIA office in Building 7” from CNN, November 4, 2001” Douglas R Page, April 3, 2003]

It's well known that the SEC files that were classified as confidential, were all files that had to do with the Bush family or other members of the Bush presidency team involvements in those cases.

This line by Heidner intrigues me to no end : ""In the midst of all this, Building 6 was destroyed by explosions from within, before being buried in the rubble of the Towers.""[ref 17]

LT : ref 17, page 47 :

9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby, February 10, 2006, as testified to by eye-witness Ground Zero EMT Patricia Ondrovic . One also needs to note the photographic evidence of Building 6 before the Towers fell, which show a large crater in the center of the building.

LT : Show me those photos.! I don't know of them at all. Only the ones AFTER the collapses. If they are really available, we definitely must find them. Ask Heidner...

But I'm afraid he based it on the wrong websites. See my remarks in a later post.

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 03:03 PM

FEMA, the agency charged with investigating the disaster, did not collect any data on this building. Building 6 was home to the U.S. Customs agency and the El Dorado Task force, an inter agency money-laundering group from 55 agencies created in 1992. The El Dorado Task force was responsible for coordinating all major money-laundering investigations in the U.S.
In the immediate aftermath of September 11, these groups would be redirected to investigate terrorist financing. [ref18]

LT : ref 18, page 47 :

“FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III announced last week that he is reorganizing the agency and will reassign hundreds of agents to counter terrorism.” See Profiling worries called hindrance, Dave Boyer, Washington Times, June 4, 2002, This would be the same strategy that Mueller deployed when taking over the investigation of BCCI: replacing the current investigators with his own team. See Note 96.

LT : BCCI Bank was the drugs and weapons money laundering bank used by the Iran-Contra cabal, the Bush and cronies families, Kashoggi and all other weapons traders, all major heroin and coc aine players, major other drugs traders, the list goes on and on.

On the same day, the Securities and Exchange Commission declared a national emergency and for the first time in U.S. history invoked its emergency powers under Securities Exchange Act Section 12(k) and eased regulatory restrictions for clearing and settling security trades for the next 15 days. These changes would allow an estimated $240 billion in covert government securities to be cleared upon maturity without the standard regulatory controls around identification of ownership. [ref 19]
(The manner in which this was accomplished is explained later in the report.)

LT : ref 19, page 47 :

Tom Flocco Interviews VK Durham – Financial Terrorism, Tom Flocco, November 26, 2006,

After reading all his arguments in those 59 pages, you'll have to admit that most of his reasoning fits all the events of that day, as a silk glove.
By the way, it's nearly more interesting, to read all his 232 Footnotes from page 43 on to page 58.

edit on 26/6/16 by LaBTop because: One ] too much.

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 03:18 PM
And then we have of course his 56 pages long 26-12-2008 "Collateral Damage (Part 2): The Subprime Crisis and the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001 By E.P. Heidner" :

It's about the 2008 starting global crisis, here's a short abstract of its 56 pages, you should immediately READ, if you want to be in the KNOW :

Abstract: The U.S. Subprime and global financial crises of 2008 was the direct result of a covert monetary policy implemented by the U.S. financial institutional caretakers of the World War II Black Eagle Gold Fund. Major growth in this fund occurred in 1986 when the Reagan/Bush administration ousted Ferdinand Marcos and confiscated the Philippines holdings of Japanese pre-WWII treasury, buried in the Philippines due to the U.S. Naval blockade of Japanese ports. Not being able to publicly acknowledge the illegal confiscation of multiple national treasuries, U.S. officials and their banker-agents have released major portions of this fund to the money market in excess of monetary demand, expanding the money supply by $3.5 to $7 trillion. The individuals responsible for releasing this gold were also responsible for deliberately opening the subprime mortgage market to national banks, thus creating inflationary demand in the high risk, subprime housing market. In addition to the ‘coincidence’ that virtually all of the troubled mortgages which are at the source of the 2008 economic crisis seem to come from a time frame and monetary growth spurt linked to the ‘9/11 bond dump’ this report will document that the primary source of funds for the liar’s loans and troubled subprime loans comes from banks that are in lock-step with the covert funding operations. Given that these same individuals covertly financed the collapse of the Ruble in 1991 using these same funds, and then orchestrated the buy-out of key Russian industries for pennies on the dollar, this analysis provides evidence that a similar gambit is being made for the take over of key

This story, how unbelievable it may sound for most of the readers that have no financial industry, nor gold trading background, is witnessed by two insiders, independent from eachother telling the same story :

Page 2 from Collateral Damage (Part 2):
The Subprime Crisis and the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001. By E.P. Heidner, December 25, 2008. All Rights Reserved.
Two independent ‘insiders’ to the fund have provided us with testimony and documentation contending that George H.W. Bush and Alan Greenspan funded a covert operation in 1991 in the range of $240 billion dollars. One of those insiders was the wife of a minor covert fund manager (CIA operative Russell Hermann, of the Durham Trust) and the other was the long-term program manager of the covert fund (General Earle Cocke). [ref. 3,4]
Subsequent investigation into the funding and the history of that period suggests they used the gold to fund a covert economic war that caused the collapse of the Soviet Union. [ref. 5]

However implausible the claim may sound, “…it helps to realize that the entire cost of World War II, in current dollars and including service-connected veterans' benefits, is about $460 billion…. The cost of the Vietnam War, including benefits, was $172 billion; Korea was $70 billion; World War I was $63 billion. The Civil War was $7billion.” [ref. 6]
For George H.W. Bush and his colleagues, the covert war was probably a bargain that was too hard to turn down, regardless of the legality!

This is the explanation why the 2008 crisis was caused by that covert funding of the fall of the Russian economy :

The corroborating evidence for these claims is extensive, and moreover suggests that securities from the $240 Billion covert war were ‘settled’ in the aftermath of September 11th, 2001 tragedy. This meant that $240 billion jumped from the off-balance sheet accounts to the balance sheets of their respective holding banks, and had a major impact on the money supply. Since that event, a chain reaction has contributed to an economic crisis that has stripped corporations and investment funds (read as retirement and saving plans) of trillions of dollars, and brought global economic growth to a standstill. Starting with a significant failure in the subprime equity market, a major contraction of the finance industry created a crisis with the following characteristics. Etcetera.

READ those characteristics, and while doing so, pay no attention to the thread disturbances.
It's as if you have to give a dissertation in a Kindergarden school, shut yourself off from the noisy disturbances, and pay only attention to the facts offered for free.

Astute gold traders noticed gold appearing on the market with no clear sourcing, and this observation resulted in the Howe lawsuit, and an FBI investigation. The FBI investigation of this activity was unhinged with the attack on the World Trade Center in 2001, and [the bombing of the FBI evidence repository on the 23rd floor of the North Tower which destroyed the files.
The Howe lawsuit was dismissed for technical (jurisdictional) reasons, with the court implying the case still had merit. A subsequent lawsuit by Donald W. Doyle (CEO of Blanchard & Company) amended to address the courts instructions to Howe, focused on a company called Barrick Gold, and accused it of working with banks to ‘fix’ gold prices. This lawsuit was settled out of court in 2006 and the agreement sealed.

.Search ATS for : LaBTop gold

Note : ONLY in the last few days, if I Search ATS with terms like f.ex. : LaBTop Greenquest , it will only return much older threads, and most not having anything to do with my recent posts where I used that if someone fiddled around in the board software. Or it's Google, where the ATS Search engine is based on, who did that.?
Any Mod awake reading this, to alert Admins to look into it.? It stands apart from this serious board-attack from today that SO informed us of.

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 03:24 PM
To top it off, this is the 2008 version of E.P. Heidner's 361 pages piece on the 9/11 Commission Report :

Serious Doubters will have numerous sources, new to them, to investigative in the next years, and I hope Heidner reads this ATS 9/11 forum, because I will attend him on some new findings which move the very suspicious decision to evacuate the 23rd floor its OEM center to an even much earlier, totally illogical (in terms of Emergency Management) early time, namely between 08:46 and 09:00 a.m. on 9/11, just after the first plane hit the North Tower :

Page 16 of 361 :

H. There are seven conditions pertinent to the collapse of WTC 7 that are not explained by any official explanation of the events at the WTC. These seven conditions are all explained with the theory of ‘targeted destruction.’ This report concludes that within minutes of it being known that Building 7 was not going to be hit by a third plane, it was ordered evacuated by an unknown individual so that incendiary explosions could be ignited without the presence of witnesses. These devices would have targeted federal and bank offices on multiple floors. The 9/11 Commission Report and FEMA have been unable to explain :

1. Source of fires throughout the building;
2. Lack of response by firefighters to those fires;
3. Order for evacuation of the Mayor’s emergency command center on Floor 23 of Building Seven, when no comparable order was given for the WTC command Center in the North Tower. This center was evacuated shortly before (LT : NO.! Much earlier.! See my note) the collapse of Tower 1 (10:29), but after the crash of Flight 93 (10:07), when it became clear Flight 93 would not reach its target. No one claims responsibility for the evacuation order;
4. Documented seismic spike just prior to the collapse of the Building 7 in the same magnitude as those preceding the collapse of the North and South Towers;
5. The reason for the tape-recorded “pulling” comment by the building’s 99 years leaser, who has since refused to explain his comment;
6. Ability to bring down Building Seven with controlled demolitions, when it takes days to place explosives for controlled take downs;
7. Misleading references to the locations of the fires, which are generally referred to as a couple of lower floors, but occurred throughout the building as documented by photographic evidence;

Ad. H 3. : This pertains to the evacuation order for the whole building, which was also given much earlier than Heidner thought in 2008 when he wrote this piece.
The OEM center was even much earlier evacuated, between 08:46 and 09:03 a.m.
See all my former thread posts about this subject. Joe Webber and Jennings do corroborate each others earliest reports on their closed OEM doors experiences.
Ad. H 4. : Told you so, (and so to see, him too).

I. The airline attacks on the World Trade Center were cover-up for explosives placed in the building. There are nine categories of evidence which support the statement that the North and South Towers were subjected to “targeted” demolitions :

1. Numerous eyewitness statements of explosions in and throughout the building;
2. Seismographic recording of the incidents showing massive underground explosions just prior to the collapse of Towers 1, 2 and 7;
3. Analysis of videotape of the collapse of the South Tower which shows the order in which floors are collapsing by exploding windows, demonstrating non-sequential explosions on lower floors;
4. Video tape evidence recorded on-site at the WTC by a rescuing fireman;
5. The pattern of deaths in the North Tower reinforces the theory that there were explosives set at lower levels of the North Tower, especially in the vicinity of floors 23 and 24 of the North Tower (Tower 1), which suffered inexplicable and unusually high death rates;
6. Multiple testimonies from a) small rescue team, 2) trapped workers and 3) people leaving the building which help explain events on the 23rd floor –site of a secretive FBI office which housed investigations into illegal gold-price fixing, gold trades and the KazakhstanGate investigation linking Dick Cheney and George Bush Sr. to illegal bribes paid to Kazakhstan officials;
7. An FBI agent in the North Tower Operations Center received a call on his cell phone advising him the North Tower would soon collapse. The timing of this call, approximately 15 minutes before the building collapsed, suggests someone was in control of the primary demolitions in the basement;
8. Investigating government agencies have not been able to explain how fires reached required temperatures to melt steel and thus cause the towers to collapse. An official letter from Underwriter Laboratories to the National Institute of Standards and Technology, explains why the government’s official stance on how/why the buildings collapsed has no merit;
9. Unexplained and forgotten CNN video footage of the explosion inside WTC6, which housed US Customs Agency, the agency that coordinated multiple federal agency money laundering investigations with its El Dorado task force.

Ad. I 2. : Told you so in 2005 already, and him too, so to see.
Ad. I 9. : Can someone find that footage (unknown to me, and so to see no reference by Heidner). I am afraid it's about those pages from Jack White, the photographer, which are full of misconceptions about that so called explosion in WTC-6. Simply not true, did not happen that way, but there were flashes at the ceiling noticed by passers-by, as reported on the net.
One thing I also found apart from Heidner is the report by EMT Patricia Ondrovic, Search ATS with my screen name and her name, and you'll find a tad bit more on her.

J. The attack on the Pentagon was for the purpose of destroying the Office of Naval Intelligence. This Office was investigating a gold backed securities fraud which might have been perceived as a threat to national security, but would link the Bush family to multiple illegal activities.

K. The attacks of September 11 were timed to coincide with multiple war-games,which included scenarios of airline hijacking and building attacks. This coincidence creates a scenario of ‘plausible deniability’ under which FAA and NORAD officials can argue there was no air response because they were “confused” as to whether the attacks were part of the games or not.

1. These war games were being monitored by Vice President Dick Cheney at the time of the attack, rather than the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
2. The war games which were usually scheduled for October were rescheduled for early September by an unknown decision-maker.
3. The war games probably included an unreported computer simulation of a financial attack on the US economy (as performed during war games in 1997 and 2000 by Cantor Fitzgerald.) It is hypothesized that this simulation computer program was the source of the illegal trades conducted in the minutes preceding the attack, and those illegal trades were meant to cover the settlement of the 10 year Durham/Brady Bonds which came due on September11.

Now you know a tad bit more, READ the rest of these highly informative 361 pages, and thou will be enlightened.

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 03:28 PM
Three more hit pieces by E.P. Heidner, about the 2007/8 economic meltdown, and its 9/11 connecting evidence cases, which were all rooted in the events before, during and after 9/11/2001 :

1. Analysis of Bailout Funding, 19-01-2008, 14 pages by E.P. Heidner :

Well, begin by trying to get hold of a book by the highly respected consultant to the CIA, Claire Sterling who unabashedly points out that the collapse of Russia in 1991 was directly managed by Intelligence Agencies. Claire Sterling, Simon and Schuster, 1994, (p.202 :
Title : Thieves World.

Page 202 : The fact that scarcely anyone outside Russia has heard of the Great Ruble Scam may be explained partly by its seemingly unbelievable details, but partly, too, by Western reluctance to touch exquisitely sensitive political nerves. Western governments rejoicing in the collapse of the evil empire wanted to assume, and to all appearances did assume, that all the evils in an emerging democracy emanated from politicians identified with the fallen communist state. Not one was prepared to acknowledge indelicate evidence to the contrary. The ability of three or four characters to mount such a planet wide operation, their extra ordinary impact on what was still a world superpower, and their singular immunity from beginning to end suggest the guiding hand of not just one, but several intelligence agencies.”

Then read those 14 Bailout Funding analysis pages. And understand the inter-connections between all these financial scams, perpetrated by the same small group of insiders, let's call them : "The Cabal".

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 03:31 PM
Now go on reading the next Heidner report :

2. $134 Billion Suitcase Bomb, June 22, 2009, 6 pages, by E.P. Heidner :

General Earl Cock’s ‘deathbed’ deposition in April 2000 describes Citibank’s and John Reed’s central involvement in Project Hammer in the last quarter of 1991 as being funded with $ 223 billion dollars, of mostly CIA moneys. Cocke also references the use of baby bonds to collateralize these funds, which are 10 year bonds. Cocke describes the source of these funds as “accounts, participants or players” with the accounts converting to bank ownership upon the death of the controlling party, and then to the government. This matches exactly what Sterling and Peggy Seagrave claim happens to the gold accounts opened by agents of the US.

Search ATS for : LaBTop gold .
You'll find my thread-OP with all the copies of this scam in my possession, littered with typos and false names, which is customary in these kinds of documents, so the receiving party (banks etc, who have copies) can ask for evidence that they are dealing with the rightful owner or his/her legal representative, in the form of precise descriptions of the enclosed printed typos and used names in the originals, before being shown the original precious papers, and subsequently handing over any funds or other deeds in natura in exchange for these kind of immense valuable papers. As you can read, if the temporary physical holder died, the bank(s) took over the accounts with their huge deposits belonging to these papers their physical holder upon handing over of a death certificate by notary, and informed their government (Administration), after that, converted them to their government, seemingly in all cases the US one.
The old boys network from the former OSS, later CIA etc., were for the most part, patriotic to the bone, Americans, who really wanted the USA to profit from these huge spoils of War.

I can understand the earliest reasons, but not the later ones, which I deeply dissent and dispute.
Later, the not so patriotic ones took over in the sixties and seventies....fill in your usual suspects at will.
Here are a few :

Page 2, point 2. : Mrs. V.K. Durham, wife of widely reported CIA covert fund manager Russell Hermann, who claims in sworn testimony, and provides actual documents of the transfers, that Greenspan and Bush with the assistance of Goldman Sachs, generated around $240 billion in covert bonds in1991. Documents show the bonds were sent to Israel, where they were converted to yen and Deutsche marks.[ref. 3]

Read points 3 (The German monetary policy failure) and his next point 3 too. (Heidner created two nr 3 points, (smile) which covers the 400 billion Russian rubles scam, which was about $ 240 billion dollars at that time. [Ref. 5.]

This is Heidner's Reference 3 :

V.K. Durham presents substantial photographic evidence of these crimes on her website, and it can also be located at Tom Flocco’s website as well.
See ; also conduct a search engine query on “VK Durham”

Note that banks are obliged to hold around 10 % in real cash or gold against their 100 % outstanding loans which are covered by simple extra dollar notes printing at the presses.
Thus, if a bank receives billions of dollars worth of gold deposits, they can legally prep up their loans in a comparable manner by 90 %. That's why their "books" grew in the nineties by over one trillion, after being saturated by these Project Hammer funds, by 200 billion dollar figures.

So, now you can understand what the purpose was of these 2 Japanese men, trying to smuggle over the Italian-Swiss border in June 2009, a suitcase carrying $134 billion of bearer bonds.
It was confiscated by Italian police who were already for a long time on the case, as they said, while these two tried to smuggle these bonds into Switzerland. No one ever said they were false, by the way.
These covert huge amounts are always used to covertly topple a government, president, prime minister, or buy the influence needed to control oil-rich countries.

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 03:33 PM
So, up to the next Heidner paper :

3. U.S. Juggernaut Rolls over Honduras as it Targets Hugo Chavez, 2009, 4 pages by E.P. Heidner.
An alternative explanation for the 2009 military coup in Honduras :

You can find leads in this paper to connect to the lately -a few months ago- discovered Panama Papers, about international black money laundering scams. It grew to epidemic proportions after the 9/11 events. Of course, all these small and big criminals saw that a cabal of billionaires molded the human history to their foreseen outcome, and got away with it.
Lots of possible blackmail scams on 9/11 participants, lots of suddenly daring money launderers who at last used the long time available tax evading solutions, which they did not trust for the full 100%, before 9/11. On 9/11/2001 they saw the brutal machinations, and got brave at last, following the shining example of how to fix things YOUR way.

See Ref. 10, about a ""Torrent of Dirty Dollars (How the Dutch do offshore banking. Forget about Panama for stashing away unreported money. From Netherlands Antilles, funds under a Dutch company can find their way back to the US tax-free. ) "", JONATHAN BEATY AND RICHARD HORNIK, June 24, 2001,

See Ref. 16, about ""Venezuela has 77.5 billion barrels (1.232×1010 m3) of conventional oil reserves according to PDVSA figures, the largest in the Western Hemisphere and making up approximately half the total. This puts Venezuela as fifth in the world in proven reserves of conventional oil. By also including an estimated 235 billion barrels (3.74×1010 m3) of tar-like extra heavy crude oil in the Orinoco Belt region, Venezuela claims to hold the largest hydrocarbon reserves in the world. Venezuela also has 150 trillion cubic feet of natural gas reserves. Wikipedia.""

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 03:39 PM
a reply to: LaBTop

S & F for some excellent work on 9-11 LaBTop

posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 03:50 PM
Just remember these political elite crimes and their always following whitewashes.
Why should 9/11 be any different.? :

1941 The US trade pressure on Japan, inevitably causing Pearl Harbor
1945 Hiroshima, Nagasaki atomic bombing, why not a demonstration first, instead?
1946 Captain Edward Lansdale -of the OSS, the CIA’s predecessor- and Santa Romano their covert looting of the Black Lili gold stashes buried in the Philippines by the Japanese in the last years of WW II
1952 McCarthyism
1953 Mossadeqk assassination by Operation Boot and Operation Ajax
1954 Lavon Affair
1962 Operation Northwoods and Operation Mongoose, proposals false flag attacks Cuba
1963 JFK assassination, LBJ installed, pro military/industrial complex politician
1963 Lee Harvey Oswald assassination one day later
1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, false flag, US ground forces sent to Vietnam war
1967 USS Liberty signals intercept ship attack by Israeli planes, at onset '67 ME war
1968 RFK assassination, CIA, Bush Sr. involved?
1968 Martin Luther King assassination
1968 First October surprise
1971 Ellsberg burglary
1972 Senator Wallace assassination attempt
1972 Watergate burglary, the Nixon White House got toppled later
1980 Bologna station massacre by Operation GLADIO
1980 Second October surprise, preventing the release of the Iranian US embassy hostages until Ronald Reagan's slim victory over Jimmy Carter. Players : George HW Bush, Adnan Khashoggi, Oliver North, David Kimche, Bob Gates, Richard Secord. For 40 million dollars, the Iranians would delay the release of the hostages until after the election
1981 Pres. Reagan assassination attempt
1984 Iran-Contra scandal
1989 Berlin wall down, Western complicity in the collapse of the Soviet Union and the subsequent looting of Soviet industry in the years after.
1990 Waco massacre
1993 OKC bombing
1994 The governor Wanta Russian Ruble scam, Project Hammer, Bush Sr involvement
1995 First WTC bombing assisted by FBI
1999 Clinton "I had no sex with that woman" affair
2000 Disputed presidential election Bush Jr
2001 9/11 attack
2001 Patriot Act's roll back of US civil liberties
2001 US labs originated Anthrax spores. The letters attacks on 2 Senators and Media offices
2002 Sen. Paul Wellstone assassination by plane crash
2003 Iraq gate
2004 Disputed presidential election Bush Jr again
2004 Up to recently : Bogus terror alerts

The CIA really did secretly administer L-S-D in “mind control” experiments, causing one of their own to "fly out" a hotel window and fall to his death. (1950ies)
The DoD top brass really did plot the commission of terrorist acts inside the U.S. with the intent to blame Castro. (1962)
The Nixon White House really did bug the Watergate Democratic National Convention headquarters, which crime did cost Nixon the presidency. (1972)
JFK's son died in a plane crash, an assassination.
The creation of Al-Qaida in Afghanistan to topple the Russian friendly Taliban regime.
The Bin Laden assassination, no corpse, burial at sea filmed, of a closed casket.
The creation of ISIS in Iraq, Libya, Syria by the CIA.
42 False Flag operations, many of them by US sources :

And some readers still believe some Arab hijackers did 9/11....?
""Three factions fought for power: a network of old boys from the OSS (the Office of Strategic Services, the WWII precursor to the CIA), a group within the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), and a group within the CIA led by George H. W. Bush"".(Fifty Years of the Deep State, by Mark Gorton) by David Guyatt.(insert a ":" between Document and The, in address)
An introduction to the involvement of senior US politicians, bureaucrats and the CIA in globalized criminal activities, the investigation of which cost investigative reporter Danny Casolaro his life.
Many old-mysteries solving, deep state based manuscripts on David Guyatt's excellent web site "Deep Black Lies", by David Guyatt :
David's 8 years long investigation on the murky subject of the gold plundered by the NAZI and Japanese militaries during World War II and what happened to it, is especially interesting in the light of the OSS, later CIA, developing their immense behind the scenes influence.
Probably based on their subversive theft of most of those huge gold bar storages hidden by the Japanese and Nazi militaries in caves on the Philippines and in German mountains, in the last years of WW II. That gold being the base for their black projects funding, which it still is.

Another book on the WWII secret gold recoveries :
Seagrave, Sterling; Seagrave, Peggy (2003). Gold Warriors: America's Secret Recovery of Yamashiita's Gold. Verso Books. ISBN 978-1-85984-542-4 :

Quite a long review of the above book, titled "The Looting of Asia" :

Six good reviews of the Seagraves books :

The authors may well have uncovered the last really big secret of the post-WW II era, and in so doing, opened the way for a restoration of the balance of power among diverse nations, and a sharp delimitation of the abuses that appear to characterize American leadership when it thinks it can rely on secret gold and stolen oil to engage in imperial adventures and domestic improprieties. As an American citizen and voter, and as a person of faith who believes that we must do unto others as we would have them do unto us, I find this book to be shocking, credible, and a basis for popular outrage and demands for truth and reconciliation.

Sterling and Peggy Seagrave their books and E-books website :
He was 72 in 2007, let's hope they're still alive, history need men and women like them, and David Guyatt.

edit on 26/6/16 by LaBTop because: L-S-D, Lysergic acid in crazy amounts administered to their OWN personnel. Just as they let those soldiers stand up near an atomic bomb explosion...

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