U.S. Marshals Raid Sheriff Joe’s Office

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Semicollegiate

And what does ancient history to do with current events?

What do your ancestors have to do with you being born?

I had made the claim that the right only believe rights belong to certain groups.

And said that they love to tell us they are not this and that and that a thread would be made a few days later to prove they are exactly that..

Well here we are, proving once again the right are exactly what people say they are.

Now according to them it is OK to stop and harass Mexican Americans because they may be illegal, but for anyone else...how dare they they overstep the precious constitution..

It's funny to see right wingers tell us they are not this and that, give themselves a pat on the back to console one another and than a week later, maybe even a day or two later create a thread that showcases the exact things they are being accused of

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Semicollegiate

And what does ancient history to do with current events?

What do your ancestors have to do with you being born?

Are you saying that you would like to go back to the days of slavery because your ancestors were perfectly OK with it? Ridiculous argument. Society evolves.... or dies. You guys better make a good choice.

a reply to: intrepid

Is he also responsible for my occasionally irregular bowel movements?

Ya he has ordered the FDA to poison all the bacon and maple syrup you guys live on up there.

All part of the psy-op duh.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Semicollegiate

And what lincon did over 100 years ago has no relevence to joe.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Under your logic i can murder people in the USA cause OJ simpson got away with it so should I,


A true liberatrian judges those invidualy under the law not as a collective group. Just be because someone else escaped justice does not create a blank check for others.

If you were a true libertarian you would despise the tyranny of joe as much as Obama. The fact you dont makes you a plain bog standard neocon who supports those on partasian lines.

Have fun with that,

I have to admit I don't now about the tyranny of Joe. Words and actions have meaning in context. Neither of us know the real contexts of The Sherriff's actions. That is a major failing of all government on all levels, the lack of transparency. As I recall Obama promised complete transparency, or at least more than average. Since the Congress has to pass a bill before it can see what's in it, there is no reason to start cleaning house with a filthy broom. If sheriff Joe is breaking the law then he is maybe a century from being the next in line in court.

I am a Libertarian because Sheriff Arpaio is irrelevant compared the voluntary servitude of the inflated money using "voters". And the Federal Government has as much right to prosecute anyone by the law as has any criminal in prison for fraud.

originally posted by: Annee

I live on the AZ/MEX border.

Those saying nothing is being done are ignorant and cluless to the facts.

How does the AZ/MEX border compare to your other residence in Los Angeles?

Pictures would help.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: crazyewok

If law enforcement and government were following existing laws concerning illegal aliens, then there wouldn't be the broad sweeping attempts at stopping the flood of illegal aliens who include murderers, rapists, thieves.

So you support any attempt even at the expense of the constitution?

Why should I have to follow the Constitution if government isn't?

Beezzer, did you really just use that as a response?

You DO realize that you don't get to "follow the constitution" until you are "government", right? The constitution doesn't give you limits, it gives government limits.

If you don't like what government is doing, mistreating a bunch of hispanic folks isn't going to help solve that. You can round up all the Mexicans in the world, and put them in one big single camp (wearing pink underwear), and it won't change our rogue government.

Thats your job. And mine. And it makes zero difference in this case. Joe Arpaio has broken the law, and has violated the rights of citizens. On his own merits, he is criminal and unworthy of his badge.

a reply to: xuenchen

How does the AZ/MEX border compare to your other residence in Los Angeles?

Pictures would help.

How about stats? In 2001 the number of border patrol agents was 9,800. Today it's over 21,000. There are more border patrol agents under this administration than any other previously, including Bush. Deportations is at a record high as well, higher than the previous administration:

www.politifact.com...

www.pewresearch.org...

But yes yes, go onto Fox news or Alex Jones or any other rightwing nutjobs news source and you'd be made to believe the liberal pinko kenya socialist in the whitehouse is letting the illegals run free.

If you want to have a serious discussion about the issues of illegal immigration in this country, I'm all open to this provided we stick to our facts. It seems however, many on the right including Joe's supporters, do not wish to have this discussion based on facts.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Semicollegiate

And what does ancient history to do with current events?

What do your ancestors have to do with you being born?

Are you saying that you would like to go back to the days of slavery because your ancestors were perfectly OK with it? Ridiculous argument.

Society evolves.... or dies. You guys better make a good choice.

Slavery is paying the taxes that the government decides you will pay. Slavery is paying for health care and not getting it without a tracking chip in your skin, or brain. Slavery is one vote away conscription for any war that government incompetence may have enjoined. Slavery is working for money that loses its value every year.

You have never heard "Those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it" ? Seriously?

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: crazyewok

If law enforcement and government were following existing laws concerning illegal aliens, then there wouldn't be the broad sweeping attempts at stopping the flood of illegal aliens who include murderers, rapists, thieves.

So you support any attempt even at the expense of the constitution?

Why should I have to follow the Constitution if government isn't?

Beezzer, did you really just use that as a response?

You DO realize that you don't get to "follow the constitution" until you are "government", right? The constitution doesn't give you limits, it gives government limits.

If you don't like what government is doing, mistreating a bunch of hispanic folks isn't going to help solve that. You can round up all the Mexicans in the world, and put them in one big single camp (wearing pink underwear), and it won't change our rogue government.

Thats your job. And mine. And it makes zero difference in this case. Joe Arpaio has broken the law, and has violated the rights of citizens. On his own merits, he is criminal and unworthy of his badge.

You have violated due process by assuming the accused guilty before trial.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

And the border situation is now the worst ever government failure in history since the European Colonization invasions.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

And it would be so simple if that's all it was. We have cases of MCSO officers pulling over card for traffic offenses and arresting the US citizen passenger for being off Hispanic descent while letting the driver off without even a warning.

Do you have evidence for that, or is it just claims? How do we know they weren't arrested for something else? Allegations are made all the time, but they aren't always true. Also, how do we know it wasn't people with fake ID?

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee

I live on the AZ/MEX border.

Those saying nothing is being done are ignorant and cluless to the facts.

How does the AZ/MEX border compare to your other residence in Los Angeles?

Pictures would help.

As it has already been pointed out that more illegals come through Ari. than anywhere else.... wth would the point be other than to take the focus off of Joe? Nice try.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee

I live on the AZ/MEX border.

Those saying nothing is being done are ignorant and cluless to the facts.

How does the AZ/MEX border compare to your other residence in Los Angeles?

Pictures would help.

As it has already been pointed out that more illegals come through Ari. than anywhere else.... wth would the point be other than to take the focus off of Joe? Nice try.

Wasn't me that brought up the side topic.

But L.A. might have more illegals that Joe's county.

Ask an expert is always smart.

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: xuenchen

How does the AZ/MEX border compare to your other residence in Los Angeles?

Pictures would help.

How about stats? In 2001 the number of border patrol agents was 9,800. Today it's over 21,000. There are more border patrol agents under this administration than any other previously, including Bush. Deportations is at a record high as well, higher than the previous administration:

www.politifact.com...

www.pewresearch.org...

But yes yes, go onto Fox news or Alex Jones or any other rightwing nutjobs news source and you'd be made to believe the liberal pinko kenya socialist in the whitehouse is letting the illegals run free.

If you want to have a serious discussion about the issues of illegal immigration in this country, I'm all open to this provided we stick to our facts. It seems however, many on the right including Joe's supporters, do not wish to have this discussion based on facts.

A fact I read from a book out of print said that since 1840 immigration has been favored over technological development as a source of production because immigrants can be molded by political machines.

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Semicollegiate

And what does ancient history to do with current events?

What do your ancestors have to do with you being born?

Are you saying that you would like to go back to the days of slavery because your ancestors were perfectly OK with it? Ridiculous argument.

Society evolves.... or dies. You guys better make a good choice.

Slavery is paying the taxes that the government decides you will pay. Slavery is paying for health care and not getting it without a tracking chip in your skin, or brain. Slavery is one vote away conscription for any war that government incompetence may have enjoined. Slavery is working for money that loses its value every year.

You have never heard "Those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it" ? Seriously?

Your argument was that we are predisposed to be like our ancestors. They had slaves. HUMANS. You can attempt to poopoo that away but it's not going to play. Your, supposed, slavery is nothing compared to the indignity of what slaves went through. I think that's kinda sick but that's just me.

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
You have violated due process by assuming the accused guilty before trial.

Let me bastardize a Hendrix song, "Hey Joe. Is that you being a total hypocrite?"

originally posted by: Semicollegiate


You have violated due process by assuming the accused guilty before trial.

Do you even know what that means? Again: I am not government, so the Constitution doesn't apply to me.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee

I live on the AZ/MEX border.

Those saying nothing is being done are ignorant and cluless to the facts.

How does the AZ/MEX border compare to your other residence in Los Angeles?

Pictures would help.

I have 2 residences. Sort of.

My permanent residence of 20 years is still AZ. But, due to circumstances, (welfare of a child), looks like I'm moving back to where I grew up.

What is it you want a picture of? Ocean and desert?

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee

I live on the AZ/MEX border.

Those saying nothing is being done are ignorant and cluless to the facts.

How does the AZ/MEX border compare to your other residence in Los Angeles?

Pictures would help.

As it has already been pointed out that more illegals come through Ari. than anywhere else.... wth would the point be other than to take the focus off of Joe? Nice try.

Because of the southern border crackdown (you know, the one that never happened), the biggest problem now is the ocean. They're coming in by boats.