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Is Islam the Solution to the West's Deep Internal Malaise?

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posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 07:29 PM
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a reply to: Drest

Oh no, please continue.

Because this is getting to the "gist" of the topic, don't you think?

You cannot force people to believe in a certain way.

It doesn't matter if its Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Wicca, Pastafarians. . . .

Faith comes from the heart, the soul, the very essence of what a person is.

But if you desire to introduce Islam as a political system rather than a religious system, then your OP makes more sense.

I still wouldn't agree with it, but I could understand your point better.




posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 07:29 PM
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a reply to: Drest


Meh, if an Islamic theocracy took power in the US and started implementing those kinds of policies (which I don't support btw), most American women would probably just shut up and accept it. When faced with harsh punishment and death, compliance is easily forthcoming. The majority are not willing to die for their "rights".


The things you don't know are frightening. You don't even understand human nature, much less American Women.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Drest


Meh, if an Islamic theocracy took power in the US and started implementing those kinds of policies (which I don't support btw), most American women would probably just shut up and accept it. When faced with harsh punishment and death, compliance is easily forthcoming. The majority are not willing to die for their "rights".


The things you don't know are frightening. You don't even understand human nature, much less American Women.


No, I think I understand humans far better than you. [snipped]

Have you taken a look at a history book lately? The vast majority of conquests are not resisted by the populace at large. The general population accepts their new rulers and continues on with their lives in much the same way they had before.

As for American women? Not to be rude, but I consider then fairly weak, when you consider the hardships other women around the world have to go through. American women are not some special resilient group. If anything they are the opposite. They've had it so good for so long.
edit on 26-7-2015 by Drest because: (no reason given)

edit on Sun Jul 26 2015 by DontTreadOnMe because: Community Announcement re: Decorum



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: Drest


Meh, if an Islamic theocracy took power in the US and started implementing those kinds of policies (which I don't support btw), most American women would probably just shut up and accept it. When faced with harsh punishment and death, compliance is easily forthcoming. The majority are not willing to die for their "rights".


LOL! Bless your heart, you might just be surprised how "the majority" of American women would react.


J



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: Drest



As for American women? Not to be rude, but I consider then fairly weak, when you consider the hardships other women around the world have to go through. American women are not some special resilient group. If anything they are the opposite. They've had it so good for so long.


Exactly. Now read what you've said, put your thinking cap on, and see if it adds up to American Woman giving up their way of life for a religion globally known for how it oppresses women. If you are Muslim then this very attitude, the one you are showing here by your not-so-subtle put-downs, are the reason why we would NOT tolerate losing the life we have for a bunch of crazy people who think they have the right to tell us how to dress; what to eat, when to pray, who we can leave the house with, and all that BS.

You really need to give some more thought to this if you think all that would go down lightly. It wouldn't and muslim men would be in for a very rude awakening I'm afraid.

Anyway play your little 'what if' game. It's harmless and it won't happen anyway. Americans won't tolerate it.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 08:06 PM
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We're not talking about the elephant in the room.

Bacon.

Baconbaconbaconbaconbaconbaconbaconbaconbaconbacon.

Bacon.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: Drest

I've gotten the feeling I'm talking to a child. Your naiveté is astounding. I would never give up my bikini, much less my bacon. Adios. Your little flight of fantasy will remain as such.. : )



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
We're not talking about the elephant in the room.

Bacon.

Baconbaconbaconbaconbaconbaconbaconbaconbaconbacon.

Bacon.


Now you've gone and made me hungry! I think I'm going to fry some up and share a bite or two with my dog


J



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 08:24 PM
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Hmm, this thread needs some theme music. The music of fighters, warriors, men who change things:

www.youtube.com...
edit on 26-7-2015 by Drest because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 08:32 PM
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originally posted by: Drest
Hmm, this thread needs some theme music. The music of fighters, warriors, men who change things:

www.youtube.com...


Oh my lordy, lordy, lord!

I do agree, however with a musical choice.




posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: Drest

You reply to AngelDoll but you are not enough of a man to reply to me.
I will ask once again, if you have the manhood to actually give a logical response.

Let's look at Muslim countries in action.

How they are currently behaving, the reality of a fully Muslim society.

Saudi Arabia has many "unpaid" domestic workers, even though slavery is outlawed, "unpaid" domestic workers are common.
Actual real slavery is practiced in fully Muslim societies.
It is real slaves that Muslim's have and buy and sell.

Saudi Arabia doesn't allow women to drive

Nearly all fully Muslim countries force women to cover their bodies,
and do not allow women on the street without a male relative: the reason most often gives is men in Muslim countries have absolutely no self control and are compelled by women to rape them if they see a arm or calf, and they are compelled by their lack of self control and being "enticed" by seeing a woman alone: to rape a woman alone on the street

Many Muslim countries allow female genital mutilation so that intercourse is painful always for women: this is to prevent women from cheating on husbands because intercourse is excruciating after the genital mutilation

Apostasy is punishable by execution (the conscious abandonment of Islam by a Muslim in word or through deed. It includes the act of converting to another religion, or becoming non-religious, by a person who was born in a Muslim family or who had previously accepted Islam.)
www.vocativ.com...

Women are forced to marry men they do not wish to marry

Little girls are forced to marry much older men.


These are all things that are legal in many middle eastern countries that live under Shariah law and are living the life you think everyone in the US should live.

Your ideal is much like communism, a wonderful utopia in theory,
but hell on earth in practice for most of the people who live under it.

Tell us which Shariah compliant country, one that is living fully under Islamic law, that in practice is the utopia you think that everyone converting will be.

I'm not saying the US is perfect, by far it is not. However, when I look at fully Muslim countries I see a life of hell on earth especially for 50% of the population, girls and women.

Why are all of these legal and shariah compliant items above part of a utopia that you think the US women would want to live under or should live under?
If you think US women would not rebel, remember Lorena Bobbitt. If you don't know who she is, look it up and know that US women would do this to men who tried to subjugate them the way women are treated right now in countries that are Muslim by law and under Shariah law.

Answer all my questions if you dare. But I don't think you can or will because you have refused to do so in this thread. Instead you have gloated over how you would subjugate women if the US became Islamic, a bad tactic to gain converts at best.

But I can tell you won't have the manhood to answer these challenges. If you do think you have the courage and intellect, respond to these 4 statements.

1. You rail at buying products made with slave labor, while Muslims in Shariah compliant countries have actual slaves in their households - hypocrisy at its worst.

2. Shariah treatment of women when Muslim religion is in full control of the country, as it is in actual practice, not theory, but the way it is practiced today in Muslim countries.

3. Killing people for apostasy (basically unbelief of Islam if one was once a Muslim) Defend this practice as bringing utopia to the US if Shariah law were enacted.

4. Killing of all homosexuals being condoned and legal for simply being homosexual. Defend this practice as bringing utopia to the US if Shariah law were enacted.




After responding to my 4 questions which I don't think you have the guts to do.

ALSO Respond to this:
As long as there are extremely large numbers of people in the name of Allah and Islam and being Muslim who:
behead people, even children
engage in slavery
destroy museums and churches
line up Christians and shot them
marry children
capture girls to use as sex slaves
"give" captured slave wives to men for memorizing Koran verses
force women into isolation
make women hide themselves because they have no control over their own desires
force women to marry men they don't want
not allow women to drive
not allow women to walk outside without a male relative
engage in female genital mutilation so women feel only pain upon intercourse

As long as there are a number of very large communities of Muslims engaging in these activities
in the name of Islam and in the name of Allah

The religion of Islam overall has not evolved enough into the modern world
for me to take it seriously
and produces far more evil people committing HORRIFIC ACTS than any other religion does or has
in the last 50 years,
for me,
I can not even fathom wanting it as a dominant religion anywhere.

However, I don't think you have the courage or the faith to be able to answer honesty from what I have seen of your responses so far.
Or do you think that an old female is not worthy of your time or effort to respond? That is another possibility, extreme hatred of women on your part which is demonstrated quite clearly in your responses to the women on this thread.




edit on 9Sun, 26 Jul 2015 21:07:22 -0500pm72607pmk260 by grandmakdw because: addition



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Drest

You reply to AngelDoll but you are not enough of a man to reply to me.
I will ask once again, if you have the manhood to actually give a logical response.

Let's look at Muslim countries in action.

How they are currently behaving, the reality of a fully Muslim society.

Saudi Arabia has many "unpaid" domestic workers, even though slavery is outlawed, "unpaid" domestic workers are common.
Actual real slavery is practiced in fully Muslim societies.
It is real slaves that Muslim's have and buy and sell.

Saudi Arabia doesn't allow women to drive

Nearly all fully Muslim countries force women to cover their bodies,
and do not allow women on the street without a male relative: the reason most often gives is men in Muslim countries have absolutely no self control and are compelled by women to rape them if they see a arm or calf, and they are compelled by their lack of self control and being "enticed" by seeing a woman alone: to rape a woman alone on the street

Many Muslim countries allow female genital mutilation so that intercourse is painful always for women: this is to prevent women from cheating on husbands because intercourse is excruciating after the genital mutilation

Apostasy is punishable by execution (the conscious abandonment of Islam by a Muslim in word or through deed. It includes the act of converting to another religion, or becoming non-religious, by a person who was born in a Muslim family or who had previously accepted Islam.)
www.vocativ.com...

Women are forced to marry men they do not wish to marry

Little girls are forced to marry much older men.


These are all things that are legal in many middle eastern countries that live under Shariah law and are living the life you think everyone in the US should live.

Your ideal is much like communism, a wonderful utopia in theory,
but hell on earth in practice for most of the people who live under it.

Tell us which Shariah compliant country, one that is living fully under Islamic law, that in practice is the utopia you think that everyone converting will be.

I'm not saying the US is perfect, by far it is not. However, when I look at fully Muslim countries I see a life of hell on earth especially for 50% of the population, girls and women.

Why are all of these legal and shariah compliant items above part of a utopia that you think the US women would want to live under or should live under?
If you think US women would not rebel, remember Lorena Bobbitt. If you don't know who she is, look it up and know that US women would do this to men who tried to subjugate them the way women are treated right now in countries that are Muslim by law and under Shariah law.

Answer all my questions if you dare. But I don't think you can or will because you have refused to do so in this thread. Instead you have gloated over how you would subjugate women if the US became Islamic, a bad tactic to gain converts at best.

But I can tell you won't have the manhood to answer all my challenges.

1. You rail at buying products made with slave labor, while Muslims in Shariah compliant countries have actual slaves in their households - hypocrisy at its worst.

2. Shariah treatment of women when Muslim religion is in full control of the country, as it is in actual practice, not theory, but the way it is practiced today in Muslim countries.

3. Killing people for apostasy (basically unbelief of Islam if one was once a Muslim) Defend this practice as bringing utopia to the US if Shariah law were enacted.

4. Killing of all homosexuals being condoned and legal for simply being homosexual. Defend this practice as bringing utopia to the US if Shariah law were enacted.



After responding to my 4 questions which I don't think you have the guts to do.

Respond to this:
As long as there are extremely large numbers of people in the name of Allah and Islam and being Muslim who:
behead people, even children
engage in slavery
destroy museums and churches
line up Christians and shot them
marry children
capture girls to use as sex slaves
"give" captured slave wives to men for memorizing Koran verses
force women into isolation
make women hide themselves because they have no control over their own desires
force women to marry men they don't want
not allow women to drive
not allow women to walk outside without a male relative
engage in female genital mutilation so women feel only pain upon intercourse

As long as there are a number of very large communities of Muslims engaging in these activities
in the name of Islam and in the name of Allah

The religion of Islam overall has not evolved enough into the modern world
for me to take it seriously
and produces far more evil people committing HORRIFIC ACTS than any other religion does or has
in the last 50 years,
for me,
I can not even fathom wanting it as a dominant religion anywhere.

However, I don't think you have the courage or the faith to be able to answer honesty from what I have seen of your responses so far.




You seem quite upset. The reason I'm not responding to you is because:

1. I don't have enough time to respond to every single post in the thread.

2. I don't want to make you any angrier than you already are.

Some of what you're saying is true, but it's also obvious that you dislike Muslims. There's not much I can say that would change your mind, I'd wager.
edit on 26-7-2015 by Drest because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: Drest

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Drest

You reply to AngelDoll but you are not enough of a man to reply to me.
I will ask once again, if you have the manhood to actually give a logical response.

Let's look at Muslim countries in action.

How they are currently behaving, the reality of a fully Muslim society.

Saudi Arabia has many "unpaid" domestic workers, even though slavery is outlawed, "unpaid" domestic workers are common.
Actual real slavery is practiced in fully Muslim societies.
It is real slaves that Muslim's have and buy and sell.

Saudi Arabia doesn't allow women to drive

Nearly all fully Muslim countries force women to cover their bodies,
and do not allow women on the street without a male relative: the reason most often gives is men in Muslim countries have absolutely no self control and are compelled by women to rape them if they see a arm or calf, and they are compelled by their lack of self control and being "enticed" by seeing a woman alone: to rape a woman alone on the street

Many Muslim countries allow female genital mutilation so that intercourse is painful always for women: this is to prevent women from cheating on husbands because intercourse is excruciating after the genital mutilation

Apostasy is punishable by execution (the conscious abandonment of Islam by a Muslim in word or through deed. It includes the act of converting to another religion, or becoming non-religious, by a person who was born in a Muslim family or who had previously accepted Islam.)
www.vocativ.com...

Women are forced to marry men they do not wish to marry

Little girls are forced to marry much older men.


These are all things that are legal in many middle eastern countries that live under Shariah law and are living the life you think everyone in the US should live.

Your ideal is much like communism, a wonderful utopia in theory,
but hell on earth in practice for most of the people who live under it.

Tell us which Shariah compliant country, one that is living fully under Islamic law, that in practice is the utopia you think that everyone converting will be.

I'm not saying the US is perfect, by far it is not. However, when I look at fully Muslim countries I see a life of hell on earth especially for 50% of the population, girls and women.

Why are all of these legal and shariah compliant items above part of a utopia that you think the US women would want to live under or should live under?
If you think US women would not rebel, remember Lorena Bobbitt. If you don't know who she is, look it up and know that US women would do this to men who tried to subjugate them the way women are treated right now in countries that are Muslim by law and under Shariah law.

Answer all my questions if you dare. But I don't think you can or will because you have refused to do so in this thread. Instead you have gloated over how you would subjugate women if the US became Islamic, a bad tactic to gain converts at best.

But I can tell you won't have the manhood to answer all my challenges.

1. You rail at buying products made with slave labor, while Muslims in Shariah compliant countries have actual slaves in their households - hypocrisy at its worst.

2. Shariah treatment of women when Muslim religion is in full control of the country, as it is in actual practice, not theory, but the way it is practiced today in Muslim countries.

3. Killing people for apostasy (basically unbelief of Islam if one was once a Muslim) Defend this practice as bringing utopia to the US if Shariah law were enacted.

4. Killing of all homosexuals being condoned and legal for simply being homosexual. Defend this practice as bringing utopia to the US if Shariah law were enacted.



After responding to my 4 questions which I don't think you have the guts to do.

Respond to this:
As long as there are extremely large numbers of people in the name of Allah and Islam and being Muslim who:
behead people, even children
engage in slavery
destroy museums and churches
line up Christians and shot them
marry children
capture girls to use as sex slaves
"give" captured slave wives to men for memorizing Koran verses
force women into isolation
make women hide themselves because they have no control over their own desires
force women to marry men they don't want
not allow women to drive
not allow women to walk outside without a male relative
engage in female genital mutilation so women feel only pain upon intercourse

As long as there are a number of very large communities of Muslims engaging in these activities
in the name of Islam and in the name of Allah

The religion of Islam overall has not evolved enough into the modern world
for me to take it seriously
and produces far more evil people committing HORRIFIC ACTS than any other religion does or has
in the last 50 years,
for me,
I can not even fathom wanting it as a dominant religion anywhere.

However, I don't think you have the courage or the faith to be able to answer honesty from what I have seen of your responses so far.




You seem quite upset. The reason I'm not responding to you is because:

1. I don't have enough time to respond to every single post in the thread.

2. I don't want to make you any angrier than you already are.

Some of what you're saying is true, but it's also obvious that you dislike Muslims. There's not much I can say that would change your mind, I'd wager.


You are wrong, I am not upset, I am insulted that you won't answer these charges against your ideal of a country run by the Muslim religion.

You do not respond,because you can not and do not have the courage to respond, because you know I am right about each of these items and how terrible and awful life actually is under Shariah and in countries run fully by Muslims.

I am not angry - you sir, are a coward.

I apologize, you may not be a coward, I might be wrong,
instead you may be too weak in your faith to be able to answer my post.

So forgive me for calling you a coward if your faith is so weak and insecure that you are unable to respond.
edit on 9Sun, 26 Jul 2015 21:25:41 -0500pm72607pmk260 by grandmakdw because: addition



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Drest

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Drest

You reply to AngelDoll but you are not enough of a man to reply to me.
I will ask once again, if you have the manhood to actually give a logical response.

Let's look at Muslim countries in action.

How they are currently behaving, the reality of a fully Muslim society.

Saudi Arabia has many "unpaid" domestic workers, even though slavery is outlawed, "unpaid" domestic workers are common.
Actual real slavery is practiced in fully Muslim societies.
It is real slaves that Muslim's have and buy and sell.

Saudi Arabia doesn't allow women to drive

Nearly all fully Muslim countries force women to cover their bodies,
and do not allow women on the street without a male relative: the reason most often gives is men in Muslim countries have absolutely no self control and are compelled by women to rape them if they see a arm or calf, and they are compelled by their lack of self control and being "enticed" by seeing a woman alone: to rape a woman alone on the street

Many Muslim countries allow female genital mutilation so that intercourse is painful always for women: this is to prevent women from cheating on husbands because intercourse is excruciating after the genital mutilation

Apostasy is punishable by execution (the conscious abandonment of Islam by a Muslim in word or through deed. It includes the act of converting to another religion, or becoming non-religious, by a person who was born in a Muslim family or who had previously accepted Islam.)
www.vocativ.com...

Women are forced to marry men they do not wish to marry

Little girls are forced to marry much older men.


These are all things that are legal in many middle eastern countries that live under Shariah law and are living the life you think everyone in the US should live.

Your ideal is much like communism, a wonderful utopia in theory,
but hell on earth in practice for most of the people who live under it.

Tell us which Shariah compliant country, one that is living fully under Islamic law, that in practice is the utopia you think that everyone converting will be.

I'm not saying the US is perfect, by far it is not. However, when I look at fully Muslim countries I see a life of hell on earth especially for 50% of the population, girls and women.

Why are all of these legal and shariah compliant items above part of a utopia that you think the US women would want to live under or should live under?
If you think US women would not rebel, remember Lorena Bobbitt. If you don't know who she is, look it up and know that US women would do this to men who tried to subjugate them the way women are treated right now in countries that are Muslim by law and under Shariah law.

Answer all my questions if you dare. But I don't think you can or will because you have refused to do so in this thread. Instead you have gloated over how you would subjugate women if the US became Islamic, a bad tactic to gain converts at best.

But I can tell you won't have the manhood to answer all my challenges.

1. You rail at buying products made with slave labor, while Muslims in Shariah compliant countries have actual slaves in their households - hypocrisy at its worst.

2. Shariah treatment of women when Muslim religion is in full control of the country, as it is in actual practice, not theory, but the way it is practiced today in Muslim countries.

3. Killing people for apostasy (basically unbelief of Islam if one was once a Muslim) Defend this practice as bringing utopia to the US if Shariah law were enacted.

4. Killing of all homosexuals being condoned and legal for simply being homosexual. Defend this practice as bringing utopia to the US if Shariah law were enacted.



After responding to my 4 questions which I don't think you have the guts to do.

Respond to this:
As long as there are extremely large numbers of people in the name of Allah and Islam and being Muslim who:
behead people, even children
engage in slavery
destroy museums and churches
line up Christians and shot them
marry children
capture girls to use as sex slaves
"give" captured slave wives to men for memorizing Koran verses
force women into isolation
make women hide themselves because they have no control over their own desires
force women to marry men they don't want
not allow women to drive
not allow women to walk outside without a male relative
engage in female genital mutilation so women feel only pain upon intercourse

As long as there are a number of very large communities of Muslims engaging in these activities
in the name of Islam and in the name of Allah

The religion of Islam overall has not evolved enough into the modern world
for me to take it seriously
and produces far more evil people committing HORRIFIC ACTS than any other religion does or has
in the last 50 years,
for me,
I can not even fathom wanting it as a dominant religion anywhere.

However, I don't think you have the courage or the faith to be able to answer honesty from what I have seen of your responses so far.




You seem quite upset. The reason I'm not responding to you is because:

1. I don't have enough time to respond to every single post in the thread.

2. I don't want to make you any angrier than you already are.

Some of what you're saying is true, but it's also obvious that you dislike Muslims. There's not much I can say that would change your mind, I'd wager.


You are wrong, I am not upset, I am insulted that you won't answer these charges against your ideal of a country run by the Muslim religion.

You do not respond,because you can not and do not have the courage to respond, because you know I am right about each of these items and how terrible and awful life actually is under Shariah and in countries run fully my Muslims.

I am not angry - you sir, are a coward.


Isn't it against the terms & conditions to insult people? You are pretty clearly upset, and it's difficult to argue with someone that is acting irrationally.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

Perhaps the OP chose poorly when he posited the thought that Islam could ever be the ruling political/religious ideology in the US.

Hell, I'm a Christian and I wouldn't want to see a Christian theocracy here.

He obviously doesn't think very highly of independence, individuality, or freedom.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 09:26 PM
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originally posted by: Drest
Isn't it against the terms & conditions to insult people? You are pretty clearly upset, and it's difficult to argue with someone that is acting irrationally.


Yes, ad hominems are against our T&Cs. However, that didn't stop you from insulting---umm, stating your opinion on American women (and, I dare say, all women).

Why won't you address grandma's questions?

Jasmine
edit on 7/26/2015 by LadyJae because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: LadyJae


Now you've gone and made me hungry! I think I'm going to fry some up and share a bite or two with my dog


Dogs! That's another thing. Woe be unto the man who tries to come between me and my dogs!

'think we'd go quietly'............. clueless.




posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: Drest

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Drest

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Drest

You reply to AngelDoll but you are not enough of a man to reply to me.
I will ask once again, if you have the manhood to actually give a logical response.

Let's look at Muslim countries in action.

How they are currently behaving, the reality of a fully Muslim society.

Saudi Arabia has many "unpaid" domestic workers, even though slavery is outlawed, "unpaid" domestic workers are common.
Actual real slavery is practiced in fully Muslim societies.
It is real slaves that Muslim's have and buy and sell.

Saudi Arabia doesn't allow women to drive

Nearly all fully Muslim countries force women to cover their bodies,
and do not allow women on the street without a male relative: the reason most often gives is men in Muslim countries have absolutely no self control and are compelled by women to rape them if they see a arm or calf, and they are compelled by their lack of self control and being "enticed" by seeing a woman alone: to rape a woman alone on the street

Many Muslim countries allow female genital mutilation so that intercourse is painful always for women: this is to prevent women from cheating on husbands because intercourse is excruciating after the genital mutilation

Apostasy is punishable by execution (the conscious abandonment of Islam by a Muslim in word or through deed. It includes the act of converting to another religion, or becoming non-religious, by a person who was born in a Muslim family or who had previously accepted Islam.)
www.vocativ.com...

Women are forced to marry men they do not wish to marry

Little girls are forced to marry much older men.


These are all things that are legal in many middle eastern countries that live under Shariah law and are living the life you think everyone in the US should live.

Your ideal is much like communism, a wonderful utopia in theory,
but hell on earth in practice for most of the people who live under it.

Tell us which Shariah compliant country, one that is living fully under Islamic law, that in practice is the utopia you think that everyone converting will be.

I'm not saying the US is perfect, by far it is not. However, when I look at fully Muslim countries I see a life of hell on earth especially for 50% of the population, girls and women.

Why are all of these legal and shariah compliant items above part of a utopia that you think the US women would want to live under or should live under?
If you think US women would not rebel, remember Lorena Bobbitt. If you don't know who she is, look it up and know that US women would do this to men who tried to subjugate them the way women are treated right now in countries that are Muslim by law and under Shariah law.

Answer all my questions if you dare. But I don't think you can or will because you have refused to do so in this thread. Instead you have gloated over how you would subjugate women if the US became Islamic, a bad tactic to gain converts at best.

But I can tell you won't have the manhood to answer all my challenges.

1. You rail at buying products made with slave labor, while Muslims in Shariah compliant countries have actual slaves in their households - hypocrisy at its worst.

2. Shariah treatment of women when Muslim religion is in full control of the country, as it is in actual practice, not theory, but the way it is practiced today in Muslim countries.

3. Killing people for apostasy (basically unbelief of Islam if one was once a Muslim) Defend this practice as bringing utopia to the US if Shariah law were enacted.

4. Killing of all homosexuals being condoned and legal for simply being homosexual. Defend this practice as bringing utopia to the US if Shariah law were enacted.



After responding to my 4 questions which I don't think you have the guts to do.

Respond to this:
As long as there are extremely large numbers of people in the name of Allah and Islam and being Muslim who:
behead people, even children
engage in slavery
destroy museums and churches
line up Christians and shot them
marry children
capture girls to use as sex slaves
"give" captured slave wives to men for memorizing Koran verses
force women into isolation
make women hide themselves because they have no control over their own desires
force women to marry men they don't want
not allow women to drive
not allow women to walk outside without a male relative
engage in female genital mutilation so women feel only pain upon intercourse

As long as there are a number of very large communities of Muslims engaging in these activities
in the name of Islam and in the name of Allah

The religion of Islam overall has not evolved enough into the modern world
for me to take it seriously
and produces far more evil people committing HORRIFIC ACTS than any other religion does or has
in the last 50 years,
for me,
I can not even fathom wanting it as a dominant religion anywhere.

However, I don't think you have the courage or the faith to be able to answer honesty from what I have seen of your responses so far.




You seem quite upset. The reason I'm not responding to you is because:

1. I don't have enough time to respond to every single post in the thread.

2. I don't want to make you any angrier than you already are.

Some of what you're saying is true, but it's also obvious that you dislike Muslims. There's not much I can say that would change your mind, I'd wager.


You are wrong, I am not upset, I am insulted that you won't answer these charges against your ideal of a country run by the Muslim religion.

You do not respond,because you can not and do not have the courage to respond, because you know I am right about each of these items and how terrible and awful life actually is under Shariah and in countries run fully my Muslims.

I am not angry - you sir, are a coward.


Isn't it against the terms & conditions to insult people? You are pretty clearly upset, and it's difficult to argue with someone that is acting irrationally.


Not an insult, simply an observation as to why you are unable to respond to these things that many would like an answer to before even considering your proposal in the OP.

Of extreme import to answer since you charge the west with buying goods made by slave labor, why do countries run entirely by Muslim laws, have real household slaves and "unpaid" domestic workers?

I am not upset, you are just making excuses to not address these quite pertinent observations of life as it it practiced under the Islamic religion when your suggestion of everyone living under the Islamic religion is your proposal in the OP.
There are only a few logical reasons why you will not address these very important issues, one of the possible reasons is a weakness of faith.


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posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 09:53 PM
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1. Slavery is not systemic in the Muslim world. Saudi Arabia and certain African countries are an exception, but slavery in some form is present in nearly every country earth. Obviously that doesn't excuse the practice, but it's good to keep things in perspective.

Also, not all Muslim countries are ruled by Sharia law. Morrocco, Turkey, and Algeria come to mind, among others.

2. Muslim doesn't equal Sharia. There are different levels of women's rights throughout the Muslim world. Turkey, for instance, is highly secular, and is nearly up to Western standards as far as women's rights are concerned. They are not forced to cover in many North African countries as well, and in fact, one particular culture there (Tuaregs) traditionally has MEN cover their faces instead of women.

3. Executing apostates would most certainly not bring "utopia" anywhere, and I've never said anything to that tune.

Nowhere in this thread have I advocated Sharia law. I have only expressed support for certain positive aspects of Islam, a few particular qualities that I find admirable. The entire belief system itself is not perfect by a long shot.

4. I will not (and do not) defend the killing of homosexuals, for the reasons I've stated in previously.

Islam can be (and is) practiced in a variety of ways, and it's not nearly so rigid and egregious as you try to portray it.
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posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 10:00 PM
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So you just want a theocracy.

Not an Islamic theocracy.

You'd be okay under Catholic rule.



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