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Is Islam the Solution to the West's Deep Internal Malaise?

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posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 02:18 AM
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Islam is a brotherhood, a community, and it prizes Discipline and Self-Control above all other qualities. Discipline is submission to Allah, it is an acknowledgement and an attestation of faith.


I don't know about others but I have lived in a Muslim country where everyone was supposedly on the same page. Numerous Religious Police patrolling with their canes to swat any female they found offending their idea of piety or waiting and wanting to detect the slightest disparaging remark about the government or their religion so appropiate action could be taken all under the guise of religion..

It is true if everyone converted to Islam we could keep our women bare foot and pregnant at home and if they pissed us off just say I divorce you 4 times and kick them out of our manly homes. Save allot of money on buying cars for them and the worthless daughters who we would have to watch like a hawk unless they dishonor the family by talking to a male who is not family. I know we could marry the daughters off at puberty (or sooner) so any temptation of the loins could be averted and sanctified by the will of god.. Of course if the women is raped lets stone her for it was her fault for being seductive or having pretty hands exposed..

I like the idea of a 7 year old starving kid who stole a piece of bread being shown mercy; so instead of cutting off his right hand they just broke his arm by running over it a few times.. Whoever said Islam was not merciful ?

If I remember correctly Mohammed was married 12 times but that was probably the gig back then to unify tribes and families... With the exception of Aisha whom he consummated his wedding to close to her 9th birthday, Muhammad only married widows and divorced women. A very civil paternalist I must say . Hey Sadeak you got a nice wife there I want you to lead our next attack (?)

Yep you got a good one going there why change anything.




posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 02:32 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky
I agree.
Religion is in our make up, we have a craving to be institutionalised due to our inability to take responsibility for our own action. We need to have the responsibility of making our daily decisions about life taken away from us. Sorry but some of us live our lives true to OURSELVES without harming anyone or killing or forcing people to understand religions.
We are the ones mature enough to understand you who have a religion of any kind are just not evolved enough to take responsibility for what YOU do. You are merely children in a grown up world. it is so sad you cannot find your own peace without someone to provide it for you.
What is YOUR opinion on life. Not the one you were taught, but the one you came to through experience.
Following religions is the same as following any ideology, it gives us motivation to do horrible things to each other.
I follow no religion but have never harmed anyone intentionally and would wish no-one any harm because I posses EMPATHY. something no religion teaches.
The reason they will not teach this is because this will stop you being brainwashed and not forming an opinion through life experiences.
EMPATHY- leadsto - UNDERSTANDING-leadsto- FORGIVENESS-leads to- GRATITUDE-leadsto- ECSTACY- thus ENLIGJHTENED and need no orders from above. I can be free and harm no-one.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 02:39 AM
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a reply to: khnum

If you see through the illusion of free will that will lead to acceptance (surrender).



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 02:39 AM
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a reply to: Drest

Most of the things you listed are things I view as positive changes in society.

You criticize "feel good morality" but it's replacing "make others feel like crap morality"
You criticize "atheists with a masturbation addiction" but it's replacing the "religious zealot with a flagellation addiction".
You criticize "pothead criticizing the police" but it's replacing the "drunken good ole' boy fighting in bars"
You criticize "sexually liberated female" but it's replacing the "sexually-oppressed female"
You criticize the "western secular humanist" for replacing one ideology for another. Yeah, because it's better.

Each of these are better steps than a world where people are not allowed to be expressive or enjoy the freedom to do all of these things. Islam is not my enemy but a totalitarian mentality is. If you fear being a slave to your own desires, perhaps you need to desire something more worthwhile.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 02:44 AM
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a reply to: Drest

lol! Are you being serious?

You write as if Islam has the solution to all humankind's woes when in my opinion it has just created many more and of the worst kind, too.

So what nation is the flagship of Islam? What Islamic nation has made a Utopia for humanity? All I see is Sunni versus Shia. They blow each other up. They blow us up, too. They chop off people's heads, throw them off buildings for being gay, kill women if they say one bad word about M and subjugate them, forcing them to cover everything up apart from the eyes. I could write forever about the shortcomings of Islam.

I am very offended by your post. The West is not like you say. You are spouting a lot of Islamic propaganda.

IF you don't like the West go live somewhere else where it suits you. Yet you don't do that because your life would not be as nice. You would be living in fear.

I am glad our women have equality. Sex is beautiful. Women are beautiful. Gay people and transgender people are beautiful. The West has much better societies. Here we don't chop off limbs for small crimes. I could write forever about why I don't trust Islam, why I think it is the worst religion on planet earth. For me it is barbaric and medieval. You asked so I told you.

Would you like me to write some more or have I made my point? I could write a thousand pages about why I don't like Islam. I don't want it anywhere near having any say in my society to tell you the truth. I don't hate Muslims, but there is no way you are going to get any say in the laws of the country I am in. I'll fight you to the death if necessary.

I'd rather have my Western malaise any day of the week. I covet my right to jack off any time I feel like it, lol. Surely you don't get all guilty jacking off once in a while do you? Lol.

Sorry for the heavy retort, but you asked for it mate writing all that propaganda attacking my lifestyle. I love my Western life.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 02:49 AM
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any of the abrahamic religions are not the solution. Of I were to choose an organised religion as a solution it would be Buddhism. The only religion that doesn't compel you to believe in a God. In fact it asks you to question traditions that are believed the practice of meditation and yoga can also help with the crippling cynicism of modern western society



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 02:50 AM
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a reply to: Cuervo

I have seen a few pornographic movies quite frankly they dont do much for me when I go to a hotel I know they are there but knowing I can watch them if I wish I choose not to.Now to a religious zealot whose dogma forbids such things it becomes an almost irresistable temptation of the Debil or whatever and almost causes an annurism.Such people become very dangerous if put in charge.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 02:51 AM
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Ha I love it when the religious talk freedom but fail to understand that religion is the chains made not by god but man.
If you don't like western society I suggest moving to an Islamic country where you will not enjoy the freedoms the west gives folk.
So no Islam is not the answer in fact no religion is because religion can make a good man do bad things.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 02:55 AM
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a reply to: Revolution9
Again we have another brainwashed individual who thinks religion is the answer and can only make decisions on the level of mentality he possesses. these people are not capable of seeing past the limitations placed on them. All religions are the same.
I know what to do with the 1 life I have and I will harm no-one intentionally.

We should have a new psot about the fact that religion is a mental illness devised by someone who didn't believe in a GOD and used our basic instincts to control us.
reminds me of a controlling parent or an abusive partner who are only doing it for the greater good and because they love you . They are just lazy, like all religious people. It takes a lot of hard work and barriers need to be broken. Not for the lazy who would just rather be religious and let someone find it out for us and let us know what we should be thinking.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 03:03 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
Ha I love it when the religious talk freedom but fail to understand that religion is the chains made not by god but man.
If you don't like western society I suggest moving to an Islamic country where you will not enjoy the freedoms the west gives folk.
So no Islam is not the answer in fact no religion is because religion can make a good man do bad things.


We are so good in the West in many ways. That is why EVERYONE including Muslims want to come here. We even give Muslim refugees a home from their hell hole, genocide ridden, war ridden societies they have messed up so much they have to run away from in fear and dread. We are repaid with child abuse, chopping off the heads of our police men and soldiers, blowing up innocent civilians on buses and trains and trying to change our laws so our societies can become the hell hole they have escaped from. It is quite literally insane to suggest the West has a society that is worse than Syria, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, all the war torn African societies, almost ad infinitum. I would not even visit any of those countries as it stands. I would not like it, it would be pointless. I would just get upset about the way they treat each other and the hate I would encounter. My life would be in danger, too, in most of those places because I insist on free speech and my right to criticise M and that for me he is no prophet, just another cult starter and frankly the cult he started by its actions has proved to be a death cult (in my opinion which I am free to give).
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posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 03:15 AM
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originally posted by: Revolution9

We even give Muslim refugees a home from their hell hole, genocide ridden, war ridden societies they have messed up so much they have to run away from in fear and dread.

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It is quite literally insane to suggest the West has a society that is worse than Syria, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, all the war torn African societies, almost ad infinitum.

Is it insane to suggest that those societies are the way they are because of Western subversion and manipulation?

I think not. Would the Saudi government be in power if not for the West? Would there have been an Iranian revolution if the West had not propped up a puppet dictator?

Yeah, they should totally love the West for all the favors it does them.




posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 03:16 AM
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a reply to: Revolution9

The OP is doing humanity a great disservice also.
Utter fail is our society? I see it as a wonderful amazing thing It has given us knowledge at the tips of our fingers helped cure disease and we have seen the farthest reaches of our solar system not to mention all the social freedoms our society has given folk, womens rights (not so great on the religious front) gay rights and many others.
I sure hope the OP lives in Iran or somewhere otherwise he is a hypocrite and a traitor to freedom.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 03:18 AM
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Discipline is a submission to A.
In our language
submission to any religion is a loss of freedom and total enslavement.

it is amazing how powerful DENIAL is. It is the only emotion that allows us to believe our own lies. How can you believe your own lies. Invent a religion that implants denial into you and BINGO.
Don't want to insult anyone but a true muslim wouldn't live in western societies so I accuse you of cherry picking to suit your live of freedom provide by people who throughout history have fought and died to save us from complete subjugation.
Something you want because you are not mature enough to make a simple decision about your own life. Even reliigious people have to take responsibility for their actions.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 03:26 AM
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originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: Revolution9

We even give Muslim refugees a home from their hell hole, genocide ridden, war ridden societies they have messed up so much they have to run away from in fear and dread.

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It is quite literally insane to suggest the West has a society that is worse than Syria, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, all the war torn African societies, almost ad infinitum.

Is it insane to suggest that those societies are the way they are because of Western subversion and manipulation?

I think not. Would the Saudi government be in power if not for the West? Would there have been an Iranian revolution if the West had not propped up a puppet dictator?

Yeah, they should totally love the West for all the favors it does them.


We are not the people doing it to them. We are under the same constraints as them. we prop up a REGIME as do they. They are waging war on us, not the REGIME, their own and ours. We have more freedoms because we need more appeasement and that's the only reason. in uk we are losing these freedoms because people think we need to. They are taking thousands back to a stone age way of thinking. The same people control the world stage. The same people control religious propaganda that is responsible for conflict. Its not the WEST that does it. Its just done in the name of the WEST.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 03:29 AM
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If a person doesn't like video games like Call of Duty or sex, then the solution is that they can make the personal choice to not participate.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 03:37 AM
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originally posted by: chewi
a reply to: 727Sky

What is YOUR opinion on life. Not the one you were taught, but the one you came to through experience.
Following religions is the same as following any ideology, it gives us motivation to do horrible things to each other.
I follow no religion but have never harmed anyone intentionally and would wish no-one any harm because I posses EMPATHY. something no religion teaches.




This is horse hockey! If God is one God, he must have one faith! (Ephesians 4:5) True there are many religions, but how would a person find the correct one? "Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." (Acts 16:11)

He expects us to use our brains. He is not going to knock us on the head with a big red plastic bat! The fact is, most people really do not want there to be one true faith, even if it exists, because it messes up their game plan. If God called down from heaven: "This is the way it is" I venture to say that most would say "Go away God, I don't want to change my life"



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 03:38 AM
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originally posted by: Drest

Here on ATS, I'm sure that many of you know this malaise I speak of.


No. People may cry about aspects of the West that they don't like (because they can), but I would rather live in a Western democracy than some theologically driven, medieval state with Islam - or any religion - dictating what we can and cannot do!

Islam is no answer. In fact, Islam holds countries back and keeps people ignorant and repressed. You just need to look at the Arab world as proof.

Show me a Muslim nation that takes women's rights seriously, and I'll happily rethink my whole post.

Any Muslim person who thinks the West is not for them is free to emigrate to Saudi, or Pakistan. Not many do when they sit and have a think about it, eh!



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 03:43 AM
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originally posted by: Drest


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Enter ISLAM. Islam, the hated foe of the West, the adversary who stands opposed to every "freedom" that we cherish.

Islam, utterly uncompromising, unbending, unyielding. A stalwart, powerful religion that refuses to bend to global currents. Defiant. The religion that spits in the face of globalist hegemony. The religion that inspires people to live and die by it's tenets, regardless of inconvenience, danger, and death.

But the most important aspect of Islam, the quality that could liberate us all, is it's disdain for selfish desire. Islam is a brotherhood, a community, and it prizes Discipline and Self-Control above all other qualities. Discipline is submission to Allah, it is an acknowledgement and an attestation of faith.

Muslims only serve one master, and I would sooner submit to him than live as a stupefied, lobotomized slave to my own desires.

Would you?


Not sure of trolling or serious, but to sum it up: Are you f*cking serious? Somehow, I doubt a religion based on the rantings of an illiterate schizophrenic tent dweller are relevant or even desirable in an advanced, civilized society.

While I find the decadence of modern society pretty disturbing, it pales to the moral, social, and spiritual depravity of Islam and it's older Abraham siblings.

Humanity needs to start colonizing space if we are to survive, and that isn't going to happen so long as people keep trying to drag us backward with Bronze Age BS. Society if filled with problems, but none of them are solvable via religious superstitions.

I'll take the future with its levitating skateboards, rocket ships, replicators, ect, and you go ahead and keep Mohammed, his flying unicorn, and the accompanying insanity.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 03:52 AM
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originally posted by: Drest
Here on ATS, I'm sure that many of you know this malaise I speak of. You can't quite put your finger on it, but you know it's there, you can feel it. A brooding sense of unwell, uncertainty, and fear of what's to come.


I don't, and the fact that you can't quite put your finger on it might just mean that it's all in your own head.
A guy living a lonely life in a trailer in Idaho has a different perspective of society and the world than the guy living in an apartment in NYC with a wide circle of friends - are we all supposed to pick a "model" to align ourselves with, just because it suits your notions?


originally posted by: Drest
What are the symptoms of this malady, on a mass scale? Selfishness. Rampant materialist appetites. Pessimism. Hedonism. Cloying notions of tolerance and nicety, that while good in theory, are merely avenues to self-righteous "feel good" morality.


What about love, charity, friendship, kinship, family, art, adventure, discovery, science... are these all "symptoms" of what you loathe about the world, or just inconvenient things you choose to ignore because they don't suit your notions?


originally posted by: Drest
You, the atheist with a masturbation addiction. You, the Evangelical who gets a dopamine rush from proselytizing. You, the languid pothead who spends his time raving about police on the Internet. You, the sexually liberated female who bases her self-worth on sexual exploits and male attention. You, the secular Western humanist, unaware that you simply traded one ideology for another.


You the Muslim, who preaches love and faith, while your brothers rape women and children under the banner of your faith, brutalize people for nothing more than their sexuality, executing people in the most barbaric ways they can imagine, destroying the cultural heritage and history of their own civilization because they're too brainwashed and arrogant to see the value?

If we want to start tarring whole groups with brushes, you're going to be messier than anyone else at the end of this.


originally posted by: Drest
Islam, utterly uncompromising, unbending, unyielding. A stalwart, powerful religion that refuses to bend to global currents. Defiant. The religion that spits in the face of globalist hegemony. The religion that inspires people to live and die by it's tenets, regardless of inconvenience, danger, and death.


You know you just described a cult, right?


originally posted by: Drest
Muslims only serve one master, and I would sooner submit to him than live as a stupefied, lobotomized slave to my own desires.


Then you are a slave.


originally posted by: Drest
Would you?


Not on your nelly.



posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 03:54 AM
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In a sense you've already been beaten, because you look back. TPTB have managed to make you believe that the only solution is to look back, that there is nothing left to invent, that we have arrived at the end of history. But it's a lie, there are things to invent, new kinds of societies, we need to look ahead of us, not back.

Religions have had their chance, they have a responsibility in the way the world looks like today, they have failed, time's up now.




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