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originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: zbeliever
The statue is not the statue of 'the devil' - it is a statue of the sabbatical goat as depicted by Eliphas Levi in 1856. That sabbatical goat represents the binary unity of all things: female and male, dissolve and create, animal and man, the sun and the moon. From it's lap we see the symbol of knowledge: two snakes curled around the tree of life. And that tree of life is put where it is intentionally: it can also be seen as the male organ, giving life. The two snakes might be seen as the two faces of knowledge: the snake itself is the ultimate duality in one: it's venom can both kill and cure. And what of the two it does is determined by man, the only measure of good and evil.
This 'goat' is just an icon, used by "magicians" to discuss various concepts. Levi's definition of a magician is very close to how I see it. According to Levi a magician "looks on the wicked as invalids whom one must pity and cure; the world, with its errors and vices, is to him God's hospital, and he wishes to serve in it." Note that this requires the magician to be aware of good and evil, of what actually IS wicked. This knowledge is partially born into man, partially taught, and symbols like the 'goat' merely serve to help with that.
This statue is simply that: a statue. It serves as an icon, but is not to be worshipped, as it is stupid to worship a statue (which you can read in the Bible too). Such images and statues are useful though, like the statues of angels, Mary, the Saints or Jesus hanging from the cross (not a pretty sight either). Stuatues are not to be worshipped, they are merely put in place so the people are reminded (by themselves or their ancestors) to discuss good and evil and to teach them that it is not God who defines good and evil - it is man.
The sabbatical goat itself has no name.
It is often referred to as being named Baphomet. This likely stems from medieval times. Baphomet is most likely just a misprononciation of Mahomet = Muhammad. Crusaders, returning from a longer stay in the Middle East had adopted various teachings of Muhammad and had included them into Christendom.
The most powerful of these crusaders were the Knights Templar, whom became very powerful - so powerful they were seen as a (political!) threat. The weird stories circulating around the Templars' secret initiation ceremony created mistrust. King Philip IV of France took advantage of these rumours for his own good (he had huge debts with the Templars) and in 1307 (on a Friday - hence the popular belief that Friday the 13th brings bad luck) many of the Order's members in France were arrested, tortured, subsequently they confessed and were burned at the stake. King Philip pressured Pope Clement V to dissolve the Order in 1312. The rumours of these weird knights that believed in the teachings of "Baphomet" remained and were picked up by nineteenth and twentieth century magicians and hippies. The rest is just pop-culture.
So, you need not worry. Baphomet is not a deity. He is not 'worshipped' - most certainly not by the people that erected this particular statue. Actually, if it were a public statue, I'd advise you to visit it, and use it to discuss Evil and Good with your children, family and/or friends. For example: abortions are often seen as evil by Christians - but are they? Why do we think this, and is this indeed true? Always? Is killing animals to devour them - Good? Is killing people - Good or Evil, why? Is it a Good or Evil thing to give a new kidney to a mass murderer, because it was randomly determined he should get that kidney and not your loving and caring father?
A statue - be it a cross with a dead man hanging from it or "Baphomet" - is just that. It is what happens inside your head and how that influences your behaviour and that of others what matters.
May your day be filled with joy.
originally posted by: buster2010
Well we do have freedom of religion in this country. Would the op prefer we have a nation that is ruled by just one religion and everyone that didn't follow that religion would be treated like second class citizens with no rights?
originally posted by: TheLegend
a reply to: zazzafrazz
Symbols have great power and effect over people, in particular their collective conscious or groupthink.
It would be the same if it were a statue of yarn, or a cat's tail. It does not matter what the symbol is or if it's even religious. What matters is what it represents. This "Satan" idol represents evil and perversion/destruction of mankind and innocence.
The fact people worship this symbol, and how naive hipsters sit on a high horse to defend it (literally condoning their own demise and perversion of the soul), is what is so repulsive here. But let's be cool and throw up pure symbols of perversion and destruction everywhere. Missing babies/pets will skyrocket as blood sacrifices to gain "magical powers" from an idol takes hold in the masses of depressed and misguided hipster youths. Vandalizing and harassing will be considered cool, or fair game, due to "unfairness" etc.
You enjoy that neighborhood. Think I'll stick with the Christian one.
Do not harm little children.
Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
originally posted by: KAOStheoryExactly. Apparently no one who's posted after you (well, one or two maybe) have bothered to read this so here it is again, as it really needed to be said, and you said it well.
originally posted by: zbeliever
a reply to: ForteanOrg
I have read your post....It is well written .
understand you, and what seems to be the majority that has posted ,want to point out the fact that they don't worship this Idol. Well this may be true.
I really want to get my message across that we are living in the time I was brought up to believe is the end of times....
Ask me if I have went to church in years.......No
Ask me if I broke any commandments ...........Yes
Ask me if I judge others for their believes......No
Ask me if I feel it is the time of Tribulations....YES
Maybe this unveiling will have this effect on more people and we will change our ways for the better.
I understand by posting my true feels I am waking up the trolls on this site....let the ridicule begin
originally posted by: justQ
a reply to: zbeliever
Satan always turns against his friends, you would think Satanists understood that little fact