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Florida Man Ordered by City to Keep BBQ Smell From Leaving His Property

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posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: jude11

A bit of a different tangent....

Do these regulations only apply to citizens? Does this city ever have a carnival in town? With the wonderful aroma that accompanies the variety of food? It common practice for restaurants around here (Canada) to actually pump the aroma onto the sidewalk to entice customers to come into their establishment. Is that illegal there too?

Heck, even my bank had a bbq going for customer appreciation day where they giving out free hot dogs and pop. Right on the sidewalk.

I can smell KFC chicken, and Burger King's charbroiled burgers almost a block away.

Great, now I'm hungry...




posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: Wolfenz

Having watched the video has nothing to do with the epa. It's a county code having lived in Florida I know why. In Florida slept of residence create burn piles counties set up regulations on smoke because of these. Your not supposed to have then to close to the property line so that smoke enters your neighbors yard.

If he is using a barbecue grill that puts out a lot of smoke those same rules would apply meaning he has to move it elsewhere on his property. If his property isn't large enough to prevent this then he's not supposed to burn items that create mass amounts of smoke. A barbeque with charcoal would never create enough smoke to be caught by the burning ordinance.

This means he's got a huge wood burning BBQ that must put out as much smoke as someone burning garbage in there yard. Believe this to be true if the neighbor was able to call the fire department without being fined by the county. A normal grill would get her fined for calling the fire dept out for false alarm.
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posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 02:20 PM
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SO I'm guessing that an 'environmental specialist' is one of those green jobs that Obama promised us...


"they are calling this guy an 'environental specialist' This is someone they hired off the street to be a thug to go around and ticket people. They are calling him a specialist" So the EPA is the Agenda 21 arm of the government...




posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: ByteChanger
a reply to: jude11

A bit of a different tangent....

Do these regulations only apply to citizens? Does this city ever have a carnival in town? With the wonderful aroma that accompanies the variety of food? It common practice for restaurants around here (Canada) to actually pump the aroma onto the sidewalk to entice customers to come into their establishment. Is that illegal there too?

Heck, even my bank had a bbq going for customer appreciation day where they giving out free hot dogs and pop. Right on the sidewalk.

I can smell KFC chicken, and Burger King's charbroiled burgers almost a block away.

Great, now I'm hungry...



I was with you until KFC.

Jude



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 02:34 PM
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All these replies expressing outrage and rolling eyes are predictable. Damn the EPA. Damn government intrusion. Damn everything against what I want to do. But consider these:

1. In Olympia, Washington State, there is a mushroom producer that sells commercially all over the Pacific Northwest. Their "plant" uses pig manure to fertilize the mushrooms. You can smell this quite well for a mile around the plant. On hot days it gets REALLY smelly.

2. Now I like Peanut Butter. In the right mood it hits the spot. But in a city across the state there is a Peanut Butter factory that grinds the stuff out 24 hours a day. They sell commercially and the brand is (or was, anyway) a quite famous one. But for miles around this plant you can smell Peanut Butter. On hot says it gets REALLY smelly. You can smell it as you drive past on the freeway.

3. Tacoma, Washington is well-known for the Aroma of Tacoma. It comes from the paper companies on the tide flats who process wood pulp into paper. It smells like a fart. Although the factories have cleaned up considerably in the last few years you can still smell it.

4. I grew up about three miles from a copper smelter. They used sulfur in the processing and poured it out of a huge smokestack. The sulfur would drift in the wind and descend to the ground in my neighborhood. In the font of the house no plants would grow. because the house acted as a shield, plants would grow close to the house in the backyard. I grew up suffering from chronic bronchitis. Of course, both my parents smoked, which undoubtedly contributed to the problem. But if you walked out the front door you were greeted with the dense smell of sulfur. It's the same smell if you get next to a volcano like Kilauea in Hawaii. I grew up a virtual invalid and didn't grow out of it until I hit my twenties. That's when I moved out.

5. In our town there is a very old house that has been converted to a Pub, the "Harbour Public House." It's very famous for the best fish & chips around. Because zoning laws are pushing development into the city proper in favor of keeping the country part "rural," (i.e.: Middle class housing with a farm-like atmosphere) condominiums have sprung up in town, including next door to the Pub. The condos are million-dollar condos and are "Johnny-come-lately's." The Pub wanted to expand so they could hold larger "music nights." They encountered resistance from the condo owners because "music night" belted very loud music until 1:00-2:00am in the morning and contributed to congestion and ambient crowd noise.

Now in all five cases here, the perpetrators were spewing either smell or noise far beyond their property lines. And in every case here save perhaps the last one, if someone complained here on ATS about them, you would all be bitching about "Big Bad Corporate America" polluting the Earth and making life miserable for citizens living for miles around these plants.

Now you DO have property rights. They extend to your property line. They don't extend BEYOND your property line. And if you are creating a nuisance, and someone NOT on your property complains about it, then it is a problem YOU need to address. If you would find yourself in a position of being opposed to the copper smelter, opposed to the mushroom and peanut butter plants, opposed to the paper pulp mills, and opposed to the loud music until 2:00 in the morning and you would feel justified and outraged if you encountered them, as surely you would, then how do you account for your opinion here? Is it just a matter of scale? Or are you opposing something on the basis of who is on which side and not on the merits of the case?

And that's normally the case here on ATS. people are not opposed to something based on the merits of the case; they are opposed to it based on who is responsible. And that means you are predictable. One can always tell what side you will take based solely on who is involved on what side. THAT'S what is meant by the term "sheeple."
edit on 7/25/2015 by schuyler because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 02:46 PM
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The man needs to come up with enough money to by some government officials. After all, that is how it is done in today's world.



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: bally001
a reply to: MysterX

He can fart but he ain't allowed to light them up


No worries, LEO will do that for you..

edit on 25-7-2015 by RobinB022 because: typo

edit on 25-7-2015 by RobinB022 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
The man needs to come up with enough money to by some government officials. After all, that is how it is done in today's world.


No corporations buy scrubbers that's what. They use on their grills. To prevent smoke from choking out their neighbors. No need to buy anyone off.



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
All these replies expressing outrage and rolling eyes are predictable. Damn the EPA. Damn government intrusion. Damn everything against what I want to do. But consider these:

1. In Olympia, Washington State, there is a mushroom producer that sells commercially all over the Pacific Northwest. Their "plant" uses pig manure to fertilize the mushrooms. You can smell this quite well for a mile around the plant. On hot days it gets REALLY smelly.

2. Now I like Peanut Butter. In the right mood it hits the spot. But in a city across the state there is a Peanut Butter factory that grinds the stuff out 24 hours a day. They sell commercially and the brand is (or was, anyway) a quite famous one. But for miles around this plant you can smell Peanut Butter. On hot says it gets REALLY smelly. You can smell it as you drive past on the freeway.

3. Tacoma, Washington is well-known for the Aroma of Tacoma. It comes from the paper companies on the tide flats who process wood pulp into paper. It smells like a fart. Although the factories have cleaned up considerably in the last few years you can still smell it.

4. I grew up about three miles from a copper smelter. They used sulfur in the processing and poured it out of a huge smokestack. The sulfur would drift in the wind and descend to the ground in my neighborhood. In the font of the house no plants would grow. because the house acted as a shield, plants would grow close to the house in the backyard. I grew up suffering from chronic bronchitis. Of course, both my parents smoked, which undoubtedly contributed to the problem. But if you walked out the front door you were greeted with the dense smell of sulfur. It's the same smell if you get next to a volcano like Kilauea in Hawaii. I grew up a virtual invalid and didn't grow out of it until I hit my twenties. That's when I moved out.

5. In our town there is a very old house that has been converted to a Pub, the "Harbour Public House." It's very famous for the best fish & chips around. Because zoning laws are pushing development into the city proper in favor of keeping the country part "rural," (i.e.: Middle class housing with a farm-like atmosphere) condominiums have sprung up in town, including next door to the Pub. The condos are million-dollar condos and are "Johnny-come-lately's." The Pub wanted to expand so they could hold larger "music nights." They encountered resistance from the condo owners because "music night" belted very loud music until 1:00-2:00am in the morning and contributed to congestion and ambient crowd noise.

Now in all five cases here, the perpetrators were spewing either smell or noise far beyond their property lines. And in every case here save perhaps the last one, if someone complained here on ATS about them, you would all be bitching about "Big Bad Corporate America" polluting the Earth and making life miserable for citizens living for miles around these plants.

Now you DO have property rights. They extend to your property line. They don't extend BEYOND your property line. And if you are creating a nuisance, and someone NOT on your property complains about it, then it is a problem YOU need to address. If you would find yourself in a position of being opposed to the copper smelter, opposed to the mushroom and peanut butter plants, opposed to the paper pulp mills, and opposed to the loud music until 2:00 in the morning and you would feel justified and outraged if you encountered them, as surely you would, then how do you account for your opinion here? Is it just a matter of scale? Or are you opposing something on the basis of who is on which side and not on the merits of the case?

And that's normally the case here on ATS. people are not opposed to something based on the merits of the case; they are opposed to it based on who is responsible. And that means you are predictable. One can always tell what side you will take based solely on who is involved on what side. THAT'S what is meant by the term "sheeple."


You are talking about large corporations and/or businesses in each and every case. Sometimes the people win against them but most times do not.

I can't tell you how many pig towns and paper towns I have come across where people have complained and lost due to big pockets and even bigger friends up top.

Comparing these 24 hr noxious "Fumes" from Big Biz to a few hours of BBQ "Aromas" from a backyard shindig isn't even on the same level. One neighbor can complain and get the County to show up at your door but you need 10,000 signatures to get a meeting with the County if it's a Corp.

This is clearly stating that people are losing property rights along with not being allowed to live on said property without power or water. Not being allowed to build a tree-house, build a fence etc.

How about asking for permission and then paying for the permission to do renos on YOUR property? How many times do we see someone's house taken away because they were fully paid off but fell behind on taxes? on THEIR property.

Nope, don't give me the line "Now you DO have property rights. They extend to your property line." because it simply is false in any interpretation.

You are clearly one to toe the line irregardless of whether it's right or wrong. If you are told it's wrong that's good enough for you but to insult the people who would stand for YOUR rights even when you won't is insulting>

And that's normally the case here on ATS. people are not opposed to something based on the merits of the case; they are opposed to it based on who is responsible. And that means you are predictable. One can always tell what side you will take based solely on who is involved on what side. THAT'S what is meant by the term "sheeple."


Jude


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posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: roadgravel
The man needs to come up with enough money to by some government officials. After all, that is how it is done in today's world.


No corporations buy scrubbers that's what. They use on their grills. To prevent smoke from choking out their neighbors. No need to buy anyone off.


Really? ever walk near big fast food chains and stores with cooking. A person can smell the fumes clearly.



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:03 PM
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Maybe paying enough in taxes to a city gets a pass.



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: roadgravel
The man needs to come up with enough money to by some government officials. After all, that is how it is done in today's world.


No corporations buy scrubbers that's what. They use on their grills. To prevent smoke from choking out their neighbors. No need to buy anyone off.


Really? ever walk near big fast food chains and stores with cooking. A person can smell the fumes clearly.


That ain't BBQ my friend, that's just old fryer oil. Disgusting, but I wouldn't call the County on them because I wouldn't even get a minute of their time.

Complain about my neighbor using natural wood and having a sausage dog...Immediate personal visit.

hmmmm

Jude



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: jude11

I'd rather small wood smoke any day over fryer oil and burger fat burning.

That's why I left the city and left it to the idiots and "I want it may way" crowd.



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: jude11

Hey! What do you mean "you folks"? (sorry, I watched Tropic Thunder recently)



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: jude11

I beg your damned pardon?

How can any law be passed, in the United States of all places, which prohibits BARBECUE smell, the most American smell you can get,


The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand

/TOA



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: jude11

I beg your damned pardon?

How can any law be passed, in the United States of all places, which prohibits BARBECUE smell, the most American smell you can get, other than that of old dollar bills and gun smoke, from moving across the landscape?

This is easily in the top ten of the stupidest things I have heard out of the States for about five years.


Wrong America,

The new America is a cross between the idiocy of Idiocracy, the Ridiculousness of Monty Python, and the culture of the Jerry Springer show... LOL



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: The Old American

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: jude11

I beg your damned pardon?

How can any law be passed, in the United States of all places, which prohibits BARBECUE smell, the most American smell you can get,


The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand

/TOA


Yes, and the purpose of serving the public who pay taxes. That second part is going away as government starts to see itself as a business with customers who will pay, via taxes, what even money the government wants for it's own purpose.



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa

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Well with the invention of electric grills the EPA thinks its gonna win eventually.


Trading air pollution for global warming, eh?
There is no such thing as electric BBQ - or is that an obscure band I haven't heard of?
Sounds about as useful as smokeless cigarettes.
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posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:48 PM
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Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


Chris B 76: Don't give technology, knowledge or authority to stupid people lest they abuse it and ruin your lives.



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 03:55 PM
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Come on America!!! We all need to agree today to vote NO to anyone running for re-election. THIS has Liberal Democrats written all over it.

They are just trying to piss us off!!!!

If any more of this stupidity comes out of D.C. we need to revolt in a big way or it will only get worse.

And to add something, this moron would have got his ass escorted off my property by the police or got his ass knocked out for pure stupidity. Those guys should have had the cops there, so the cops could have seen what this moron was saying and could laugh at the so called city enforcement clown. They would have made a report to the stupidity. No judge will take that rule seriously, I hope.
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