American Violence

The solution is doable, it may not work but it might work, and to lessen the violence and better nurture a healthier citizen is worth a try


I advocate a holistic approach from several angles


The challenges are in the oxe gourders

Here we go:

1.We need a massive anti-violence, love your neighbor type campaign, quasi religious and non religious ethics and morality based private and maybe government involvement: in schools, billboards, Churches, mosques, commercials on tv, etc.

(Of course people like Alex Jones would think this is a government plot to sissify men)

Well that speaks for itself. His type would be an ox gourder


2.A study of psychotropic drugs. It may be no coincidence that these drugs and violence of the type were dealing with have exploded simultaneously.

Now here a huge gourd that will be oxed. The drug industry will have a conniption fit…

They will do everything in their power to stop this and if not everything to pervert the findings and guess who will help them: politicians they bribe!

3. Next a scientific honest study of guns: Of course again this is a oxe gourder of immense proportions. Although at the time of the King, Kennedy killings both sides of politics was willing to do modest gun control/ Presently its too polarized and too much conditioning has been done on the American psyche over guns ion both sides of this issue.


4. A heavy dose of psychological study. I know psychology is more art than science but this is all we got. Put more money onto the study of the mental diseases that prompt this activity

5. A look at Hollywood and their massive sex and violence industry. This is where the so called liberals will be the main ox gourder.


6. NWO, MK Ultra plot possibility. This is of course controversial but that's why its last

a reply to: Willtell

So whats you problem?


Your problem is that you are oxing your own goard

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

Is that not selfish thinking?

Firstly, your hypothesis at what my problem is with this situation is quite incorrect.

Secondly, it is my goard and I will ox it all I want.

Thirdly, yes I am concerned about my rights because there is always some overzealous half-brained politician ready to take them away without any thoughts for the consequences until it is too late. I don't mind of you study for the rest of your life the modalities of all the contributing factors to human violence; be my guest. (you as a group)
I do not want to be subject to what you decide because I care about my family and friend's well being. A well being that a police force in it's current and foreseeable future cannot/will not provide.

If that is selfish then I am also fine with that. Remember, I am not asking or dictating that we take away anyone's rights in protecting my own.

a reply to: notmyrealname

What do you have against a society trying to solve such a problem?


That’s why we have philosophers, thinkers, doctors, scientists, computers, Algorithms



If the air is so polluted its ready to kill us all I imagine you would be against a study to try to find a scientific solution so the world could carry on

Would you have been against the US trying to fight Adolf Hitler by securing an atomic bomb?

And do nothing and let Hitler get the bomb instead?

a reply to: Willtell
Your solution is delusional and requires some omnipotent in order to carry it out. It is these type of pie-in-the-sky quasi religious foolish ideals of "if we could all just see things my way, it would be perfect"

Your ideas are not new or original; show me one example where your utopia exists and I pull up the skirt and show you what is really inside.

…and really Ox Gourding…. Are you trying to create or revive a dead language while dreaming about utopia too? If you want anyone to understand you either go back in time or get with the current version of the language.

Oh, and make sure you brush your teeth before bed.

a reply to: notmyrealname

A utopia is trying to prevent the mass murder of children? Or trying to prevent humans from being randomly gunned down in the street is going after a utopia?


That’s your definition of a utopia?


With all due respect my friend I think your overthinking. No problem with that.

But I have no such agenda

sure often people who try to do good end up doing not so good


But should that prevent us from trying to uplift the human race to a better place.


...and that doesn't include any idea of a utopia


That would be way beyond my pay grade

a reply to: notmyrealname

There's nothing wrong, imo, with trying to solve human problems


It all about intentions.

I don’t have an intention to create any utopia, that’s for God to do


My intent is from compassion, love, and empathy


That’s it, I don’t want to rule the world

Capitalism has corrupted and destroyed our society.

Look at a country like Spain, where I was stationed. The people have less and smaller possessions, but they are more social and inclusive and enjoy life and they don't have any of these violence problems that we have. People feel like they are a part of their society so they don't want to kill people.

a reply to: CB328

Capitalism has corrupted and destroyed our society.

Capitalism does not exist in this or any other nation.

It DOES exist on the internet, oddly enough, and it appears to be working pretty well.

Look at a country like Spain, where I was stationed. The people have less and smaller possessions, but they are more social and inclusive and enjoy life and they don't have any of these violence problems that we have.

Where were you stationed? Rota?

Violence is a product of the human condition. You will find it EVERYWHERE you go. Sometimes the difference is only in how much it gets blown up in the media.

a reply to: CB328

Your right the capitalism in America reinforces the kind of mentality of killers.

Indeed we will put the study of naked capitalism on the board of study and its affect on this pnenomena

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: CB328

Your right the capitalism in America reinforces the kind of mentality of killers.

It has not gone unnoticed that you have failed to acknowledge all the data counter the assertion that America is somehow more violent. That there is an epidemic of violence.

And now Capitalism, an economic system based on voluntary associations and transactions, is somehow responsible for this Violence Phenomenon that simply only exists in your head.

Yep..I'm done here.

a reply to: LunaticPandora

That’s your false perception.

What we see doesn’t lie

What we want to see does

It just boils down to you and others defending the indefensible.


Technically, read the posts and see that on the contrary I countered all naysayers and they as usual shrink into silence as you will as well

Will Tell!

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: notmyrealname

What do you have against a society trying to solve such a problem?

I have nothing against anyone trying to solve any problem as long as they do not disturb my rights or hamper my abilities. Society has been trying to solve these problems since society began. The only thing that has changed is the type of punishment for those who don't give a damn what society thinks. This is why a personal/family/community approach to safety is effective. Everything else is agenda driven or overly idealistic.

That’s why we have philosophers, thinkers, doctors, scientists, computers, Algorithms

I study philosophy and while it has it's merits, alone does nothing to solve the problems; it just proposes a means to solve them which will not ever be followed by everyone.

If the air is so polluted its ready to kill us all I imagine you would be against a study to try to find a scientific solution so the world could carry on

Strange you should mention this. I have a solution for cleaning the world's waste which is clean and generates a tidy profit while doing so. We are in operation and working towards a goal of fixing a large portion of what we now put in landfill sites. What are you doing?

Would you have been against the US trying to fight Adolf Hitler by securing an atomic bomb?

And do nothing and let Hitler get the bomb instead?

The USA was not involved in WWII until the banks realized we could make a tremendous profit from it. Remember necessity is the mother of all invention. If war wasn't profitable we would not be making so much of the machines of war. Your inclusion of this matter is inappropriate however it is just one more example of attempting to resolve the symptom and not the underlying illness.

a reply to: Willtell
I think you are still over your pay grade with that statement.

a reply to: Willtell

Its sad, but its not new.

It reminds me of Rome's Colosseum ..the killing and the state of mind it nurtured.. It's just the sort of mentality they needed to conquer new lands. Many of the people of the United States are their descendents after all, not to mention all the other war crazed, plundering cultures Americans have descended from.

While I know for certain it is not a part of all the civilizations that have existed on the Earth, it is a part of our, the 'Western'/European/Roman/Etruscan/Canaanite/Phoenician lineage.


Just look at the entertainment everyone loves. Kids killing each other in virtual reality, and enjoying it.

The mentality seems concentrated more in the United States then anywhere else. Maybe it is a trickle down effect from our leaders and everyone is just following suit.

It brings to mind the statistics from Michael Moore's film, Bowling for Columbine, mentioning the -

gun-related-deaths-per-year of the following countries:

Japan: 39 (0.030/100,000)
Australia: 65 (0.292/100,000)
United Kingdom: 68 (0.109/100,000)
Canada: 165 (0.484/100,000)
France: 255 (0.389/100,000)
Germany: 381 (0.466/100,000)
United States: 11,127 (3.601/100,000)

Something is wrong with that picture no?

originally posted by: CB328
Capitalism has corrupted and destroyed our society.

Look at a country like Spain, where I was stationed. The people have less and smaller possessions, but they are more social and inclusive and enjoy life and they don't have any of these violence problems that we have. People feel like they are a part of their society so they don't want to kill people.

That is a nail on the head but to me it comes down to a much needed change in social attitude to reflect the state of America today.

True capitalism worked well for the early pioneers where there was genuine opportunity for all, if you worked hard enough.
Today, who owns all the land, resources and the system is so tight with laws, red tape and corpotate, large multi national influence, directing and dictating the direction of the supposed citizens democracy; the regular American has never had it so hard in order to live the American dream.

The social aspect on how Americans view not only themselves but others is important too. A difference I see is when compared to the UK, Americans love a winner, coming second seems to be a failure. We tend to support the underdog and applaud effort rather than just yhe win. That attitude on the American side is understandable due to its history and great success in how powerful it has become for such a relatively young Country.

However, I think its time yhe US embraces a more socialist attitude to compensate the great divide of the haves and have nots. When a population bases their happiness on being seen as successful and wealthy, if there is less opportunity to gain that, something will break.

Just an opinion

a reply to: Willtell

That's really a beautiful and poetic OP!

I'll share one, just one, insight I've gained into the "American" problem that has come to me from having lived a great deal of my life overseas and in many different countries and cultures. Nowhere else in the world have I found the level of hatred and disdain and fear people have for their fellow countrymen that I see in the US. Simply put, Americans hate Americans more than they hate anyone else in the world. Americans are more fearful of Americans than they are of anyone else in the world and Americans are far more contemptuous of their fellow Americans than they are of anyone else in the world.

Italians don't hate Italians on a scale, or with such intensity as I've seen in the US on the part of Americans hating Americans. Same with the French, the Tunisians, the Moroccans, the Israelis, the Chinese, etc., etc.

Actually, it blows my mind! And I'm finding that the hatred, fear and contempt is becoming ever more viral and ever more in your face than at anytime I've ever seen in the past. Just going out to a restaurant for a meal is nerve wracking. Its bad and its getting worse.

originally posted by: CB328
Capitalism has corrupted and destroyed our society.

Look at a country like Spain, where I was stationed. The people have less and smaller possessions, but they are more social and inclusive and enjoy life and they don't have any of these violence problems that we have. People feel like they are a part of their society so they don't want to kill people.

Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Algiers all have murder rates much lower than Spain. So you are right: under a represssive government, murder rates are lower.

It boils down to collectivism vs individualism. People unaccustomed to thinking for themselves tend to not have opportunity to commit crime, or engage in disagreements.

What we are creating is a series of biological offspring who feel helpless.

And lacking their own will or originality, they copy what they see on MSM.

originally posted by: Willtell

Something deep and dark pervades the mental, psychological and spiritual soul of America.

Yes, it does. Reading the news yesterday morning was like a kick in the gut that still hasn't gone away. I feel for the family, the friends, the first responders, the employees at the theater. Life will never be the same for any of them. I know. I pray for the victims and their loved ones. I pray for all of us. But I know it's not enough. I pray for answers. But none come.

I've pondered many of the same thoughts as you. I'm just as sickened by the responses of the public as I am by the evil deed itself.

I don't have "the" answer. I believe it's a multi-faceted problem that runs deep, and that the solution will likewise be multi-fold. But I think our biggest problem is us. To one degree or another, we are them.

What did these killers do that we don't do as a society every day? They decided to FORCE their will on others. They just left out the middle man... the law. To be more specific, color of law. They don't wait for someone with an official title to sign a piece of paper saying it's okay to force their will on others. They don't depend on the law enforcement officer to step in and force their will on others at the point of a gun. They just did it themselves.

I can honestly say that I can think of absolutely NOTHING that I want to force anyone else to do. Force might be necessary to STOP someone from harming others, but even then it should be a last resort. But I know that I am a minority. Why???

Every potential problem and solution I explore comes back to the violation of this fundamental principle: Free will.

Why do we have out of control thug cops? Because we want them. We make the laws that give cops the authority to use force -- up to and including lethal force -- to make people do something. Just look at how many people will defend ANY AND ALL violence by law enforcement! Some folks talk about suicide by cop... how about murder by cop?

How about mental illness? Our food, water, soil, food, medicines, and therefore our bodies, are assaulted with mental/emotional impairing chemicals and compounds all day every day. Even the psychotropic medications given to help mental/emotional issues too often make these conditions worse! But because it helps some, we want to ignore the harm it causes others. Even worse, those making big bucks on these substances are protected by (color of) law, and those harmed are further victimized.

I could go on, but I'm sure you get my point.

I think we have to start with education, so I really like your idea about PSAs to encourage and promote higher values like love and compassion. I was thinking along those lines as well. The air waves belong to us -- we the people -- and we have every right to demand they be used for OUR benefit.

But let's also require more citizenship classes in school, classes explaining the fundamentals of our organic law -- why we have inalienable rights and that we MUST protect everyone's rights in order to protect our own rights. Let's require more life skill classes in school -- home economics like cooking and sewing, financial courses like budgeting and saving and investing, health classes like first aid and nutrition. And vocational classes -- like metal and wood and auto shop, computer classes, etc. Desperate people take desperate measures. Empowering people to be responsible, productive and self-sufficient will benefit us all.

I believe psychotropic drugs are both a problem and a solution. While I see potential there, we must break the regulatory capture of Big Pharma and Big Med that puts profit before people. We must seriously reform our patent laws to, again, put people before profits, including major research into nutritional (and other) causes/remedies.

Obviously, we must also do something about the gross pollution of our environment and ultimately our bodies.

We need major police reform, but also legislative, judicial, and penal reform. We need to get private industry out of the prison system. We need to stop making laws and putting people in prison -- in violation of their natural inalienable right to liberty -- unless that person is a threat to the life and limb of others. Jail is not the only possible recourse, and certainly not usually the best.

But, alas, none of this is possible until we change ourselves and stop thinking any good can come of forcing our will on others.