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Alleged Movie Theater Gunman Left Online Trail Of Extreme Right Wing Views

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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: OpenMindedRealist



No, I don't think you are a shill. Well, at least not a paid one. Sometimes people venture into the absurd with the goal of finding humor. Sometimes that humor is lost on others.


Humor, except the obvious, is hard to impart on the internet.



try not to let thoughts of your superiority creep in there


Again with the assumptions. I do not think I am in any way superior. Your repetition of this statement leads me to ask if you somehow feel inferior.



Where in that post did I compare your comments to "right wing extremist propaganda?"


You said this:



your words in this thread are as bad as any right-wing American.


I suppose I must apologize, as the topic was about right wing extremism and I assumed, which I should have known better, that you were following the same point of discussion.



I pointed out that while you claim right wing Americans are narrow-minded and threats to freedom


I never made any such claim. I've only talked about the extreme right wing. There are plenty of reasonable people on the right and even they recognize the propaganda and distance themselves from those extremes.



You, who calls for others' speech to be curtailed


Again, I've never said any such thing. It's hard to have a reasonable debate when you put words in my mouth. I've actually stated that I do not want to curtail free speech, I only wish to bring their tactics to light for others to see.



You, who dismisses contrary opinions out of hand. No one responds to your points because all you bring to the table is contention - not valid arguments.


That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. If what you said is true, it should be quite easy to refute my comments. Instead you have resorted to personal attacks, calling me a shill and making things up out of thin air.

Do you deny that there is an extreme right wing who's propaganda resonates with a portion of the population and has the potential to breed extremism?




posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: krosnos

How about any mass shooter, will that do



I just gave you five on the previous page. You're terribly mistaken in your assumptions.
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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 08:05 PM
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Laughner was a declared Marxist.


No he was not.


Records show that Loughner was registered as an Independent and voted in 2006 and 2008, but not in 2010.[38][39]

Loughner's high school friend Zach Osler said, "He did not watch TV; he disliked the news; he didn't listen to political radio; he didn't take sides; he wasn't on the Left; he wasn't on the Right."[17] A former classmate, Caitie Parker, who attended high school and college with Loughner, described his political views prior to 2007, prior to his personality transformation, as "left wing, quite liberal,"[40] "radical."[41]

In the aftermath of the shooting, the Anti-Defamation League reviewed messages by Loughner, and concluded that there was a "disjointed theme that runs through Loughner's writings", which was a "distrust for and dislike of the government." It "manifested itself in various ways" – for instance, in the belief that the government used the control of language and grammar to brainwash people, the notion that the government was creating "infinite currency" without the backing of gold and silver, or the assertion that NASA was faking spaceflights.[42]

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The notion that he was a Marxist was created after it was discovered that he read Karl Marx. He also read Mein Kampf. In fact, I have read those books as well. Many have. That is hardly enough evidence to say he was a Marxist or a fascist.

I don't play the two party game either. Neither side represent my beliefs. I have studied propaganda, language and have paid attention to politics for many years. While both sides have their lies and propaganda, that of the extreme right is very different, more effective and very dangerous.

I know saying that does not fit the PC narrative that both sides are equally as bad, but there is a very distinct difference and we must recognize that.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 08:06 PM
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The religion of peace strikes again!

Oops, it's just a right wing nutcase,

to clarify an American right wing nutcase.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: introvert
Was there a point in there?
Other than laughably oblivious confirmation of your superiority complex?

If you're taking things personally, that's your first mistake. If you're getting defensive over someone jokingly alluding to you being a shill, grow thicker skin. I've criticized your tone, but my focus has been on the statements you make. If you yourself can abstain from personal jabs and a condescending attitude, then I will respond only to your claims.

Back the the topic:
For literally every cause, there are people who will take things to an extreme. Sure, there are extremist right-wingers, and yes, they have their own brand of propaganda. But to most right-leaning Americans, those views are despicable, and that brand of propaganda is not palatable.

Would you not agree that the same can be said of leftists?



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 08:22 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: howmuch4another



Laughner was a declared Marxist.


No he was not.


Records show that Loughner was registered as an Independent and voted in 2006 and 2008, but not in 2010.[38][39]

Loughner's high school friend Zach Osler said, "He did not watch TV; he disliked the news; he didn't listen to political radio; he didn't take sides; he wasn't on the Left; he wasn't on the Right."[17] A former classmate, Caitie Parker, who attended high school and college with Loughner, described his political views prior to 2007, prior to his personality transformation, as "left wing, quite liberal,"[40] "radical."[41]

In the aftermath of the shooting, the Anti-Defamation League reviewed messages by Loughner, and concluded that there was a "disjointed theme that runs through Loughner's writings", which was a "distrust for and dislike of the government." It "manifested itself in various ways" – for instance, in the belief that the government used the control of language and grammar to brainwash people, the notion that the government was creating "infinite currency" without the backing of gold and silver, or the assertion that NASA was faking spaceflights.[42]

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The notion that he was a Marxist was created after it was discovered that he read Karl Marx. He also read Mein Kampf. In fact, I have read those books as well. Many have. That is hardly enough evidence to say he was a Marxist or a fascist.

I don't play the two party game either. Neither side represent my beliefs. I have studied propaganda, language and have paid attention to politics for many years. While both sides have their lies and propaganda, that of the extreme right is very different, more effective and very dangerous.

I know saying that does not fit the PC narrative that both sides are equally as bad, but there is a very distinct difference and we must recognize that.


But your link doesn't say anything about him being not being a Marxist but I will retract it just to not get mired in a debate that is ancillary to his views. What you quoted actually supports him being a leftist radical according to his high school and college classmate.
how one registers to vote is irrelevant as you and I are proof of that. I'm conservative your'e more progressive and we are both unaffiliated. (Actually I'm libertarian now but that is close to unaffiliated).



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: Rocker2013
If you want examples of left wing people using violent rhetoric look at Mike Malloy (a pretty popular Left Wing media figure) saying he's going to lie to cops about people who are open carrying weapons so they will shot by police (I'm pretty sure he didn't lose his job for that rant either), left wingers talking about their violent fantasies of murdering NRA members/their families, the guy who tried to shoot up that Christian lobby group, just recently saw a video of a crazy left wing Muslim who was talking about killing white right wing "Kufars" because Garland/Dylan Roof. Those are just some recent examples.
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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 08:24 PM
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sorry double post
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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko


And you don't see the agenda at work? If you can't get rid of the opposition any other way, you demonize them and make the rest of the world think they are all crazy and just about to start shooting them every opportunity they get.

You mean, kinda like what you do when you talk about the 'liberals'? How they are going to take away all of your rights and tax you into oblivion???? Turn your kid gay, and force you to officiate at gay weddings? How they are Commies and Fascists?

Like that??

Yeah. No one is coming for "our" guns. No one is coming to round "us" up and take us to FEMA camps.

You all have a solid history of demonizing anyone who isn't a Holy-Rolling conservative.

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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 08:33 PM
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He lost it when Trump took over , all of his aspirations for a Rubio, Santorum, Bush or a Huckabee win are all down the drain now. As if they weren't already. He just couldn't take Trump towering over all of the pubs in the polls. LOL, I live in S.C. and what I saw and heard the Fox news idiots around here saying the morning after the election when they woke up and Obama was still president. Like we all didn't know that months in advance, they sure didn't. I am surprised one of them didn't do something stupid. Political views can make people crazy just like bibles. Fox news does nothing but piss people off, they have designed themselves to do that and they are very effective at it. It puts some stupid people in a bad mood. NOW Trump is high on the polls and I know some old school pubs that are pissed and I love it. Obviously the guy was crazy anyway, maybe Trump pushed him over the edge like he does with that mop on his head. Off topic but the only person I would vote for at the moment is senator Rand Paul. Sounds like to me the guy just went nuts, I hate it when they go nuts and target innocent people, why not target non-innocent people for once ! Like ISIS or the crazy African group that I cant spell that are killing tons of people, tons of very very innocent people. .........
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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 08:35 PM
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(a pretty popular Left Wing media figure)

Who?

Never heard of him. "Popular" where??



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 08:42 PM
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edit on 24-7-2015 by Foderalover because: because she may have been offended, sorry Im going away now.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 09:05 PM
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political affliation of other shooters

www.examiner.com...



The acts below are instances of right-wing violence that are unequivocally committed by people who are openly hostile to liberalism. While this does not mean these killers are Republicans, it is quite clear that they are RIGHT-WINGERS and that they have far more in common with Mr. Hedgecock, Alex Jones and the other gun-toting conspiracy nuts on the right than with any evils associated with the Democratic Party or liberalism. In addition, to the list below is the obvious case of Timothy McVeigh, who I have not included because his crime was not committed with firearms. It was however, committed by a right-winger and the carnage was on a massive scale.

For example, on July 18, 1984 James Oliver Huberty, who told his wife he hated “children, Mexicans and the United States” opened fire inside the McDonald’s Restaurant in San Ysidro, CA using a Browning P-35 Hi-Power 9mm pistol, Winchester 1200 pump-action 12-gauge shotgun, and an Israeli Military Industries 9mm Carbine (Uzi) – all legally acquired. He killed 21 and injured 19 before he was shot dead by police.

On Aug. 10, 1999 White supremacist Buford O. Furrow, Jr., fired 70 rounds with an Uzi-type submachine-gun inside the lobby of the Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills, CA wounding three children, a teenage counselor and an office worker. He then carjacked a woman’s Toyota at gunpoint, dumped it behind a motel and murdered US Postal Worker Joseph Santos with a Glock 9mm handgun.

On July 27, 2008 Former U.S. Army private, Jim David Atkinsson, who hated Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals, using a Remington Model 48 12-gauge shotgun, murdered two people and injured seven others inside the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, TN.

The day after Obama’s inauguration, white supremacist Keith Luke went on a killing spree in Brockton, Massachusetts. His goal was to kill as many Jews, blacks and Hispanics as possible. When questioned by investigators, the deranged gunman who had stockpiled hundreds of rounds of ammunition, proclaimed that he was fighting the extinction of the white race.

A little over a month later, Dannie Baker, a former Republican campaign volunteer shot five Chilean immigrants in Florida. Those who knew him said he was obsessed with the fear that illegal immigrants were taking over the country.

In April of 2009, Richard Popalowski, a white supremacist in Pittsburgh, shot and killed three police officers following a domestic disturbance call. He apparently thought that Obama was part of a government conspiracy to seize all guns, and he feared the government would take his guns away.

Later the same month, a Fort Walton Beach Florida man who thought the Obama administration was conspiring against him, shot and murdered two sheriff’s deputies.

On May 31, 2009 Dr. George Tiller was murdered in his own church by a right-wing “pro- life” gun man who decided to express his belief in the sanctity of human life by executing a medical doctor.

Eleven days later a right-wing white supremacist and Holocaust denier walked into the National Holocaust Museum and killed an African-American security guard. Two weeks later, three Neo-Nazis were arrested for bombing a diversity office in Scottsdale, Arizona.

On April 20, 2010 a member of the Sovereign Citizen movement was arrested after a failed attempt to take over a Tennessee county courthouse.

Exactly one month later, in West Memphis Arkansas, Sovereign citizens Jerry and Joe Kane murdered two police officers before they themselves were shot and killed in the ensuing shoot out with police.

On July 18, 2010 Byron Williams, an angry unemployed man, was arrested by police after they discovered a car full of weapons and ammunition that he had planned to use to kill progressives. He was on his way to the non-profit Tides Foundation Center, a favorite target of vitriol from Glenn Beck’s radio show.

On Jan. 8, 2011 22-year old Jared Lee Loughner killed six people, including a judge and a nine-year old child, and wounded 13 others, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), using a 9mm Glock 19 pistol during a public meeting in a supermarket parking lot near Tuscon, AZ.

On Aug. 5, 2012 Wade Michael Page, a 40-year old white supremacist and U.S. Army veteran murdered six people and wounded four others inside a Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, WI with a Springfield XD(M) semi-automatic pistol.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 09:05 PM
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He is a left winger and an "intellectual", no doubt about it. But honestly, I never heard of him anywhere before that ronny jerkoff "SWATed" the black guy in walmart, from more right leaning media. If he was big in left wing media before that, they did a bangu-up job scrubbing it from their internet history.


I have never heard of a right winger SWATing anyone, come to think of it. I see SWATing people as even worse than shooting them. You involve innocent third parties to do the "dirty work". Messed up like throwing yourself in front of a semi to commit suicide.
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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 09:12 PM
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Posted this in the other thread...


The NYTimes should know better. What a combination, eh...vented hatred of liberals AND the government. Nice.

They play us all in the way they word and finesse things...the way they couch the stories.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 09:16 PM
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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: OpenMindedRealist



Was there a point in there?
Other than laughably oblivious confirmation of your superiority complex?


Was there a point in there?
Other than laughably obvious confirmation of your inferiority complex?

See, anyone can play that childish game. I feel dumber for having played it, but I am superior in every way....don't you know?



I've criticized your tone, but my focus has been on the statements you make.


None of which you have refuted. You've only resorted to personal attacks and then accused me of the same.



If you yourself can abstain from personal jabs and a condescending attitude, then I will respond only to your claims.


Please respond. That's all I have asked throughout this discussion and instead of doing so you claim I am attacking you and being condescending, which is, in fact, exactly what you have done.



For literally every cause, there are people who will take things to an extreme.


Agreed.



Would you not agree that the same can be said of leftists?


No. I would not agree. The Left's propaganda has failed horribly, in that the very nature of the people that appeal to a Leftist ideology are not prone to extremism in the slightest. The Left tried to push such propaganda and it failed. What do leftist extremists try to push? Equal rights? Equal application of the law?

The right on the other hand are a completely different case. The propaganda works, the people buy in to it and it goes well beyond a small portion of the far, far right. It has seeped in to the mainstream of the Republican party.

What do Right wing extremists try to push? Islam is bad, personal freedom outside of their belief system is bad, choice is bad, and damn near everything else that does not fit into their mold is bad.

There is a clear and distinct difference.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 09:25 PM
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But your link doesn't say anything about him being not being a Marxist


Really? Do I need to point out the lack of logic in that statement? That falls in to the disprove a negative category.



What you quoted actually supports him being a leftist radical according to his high school and college classmate.


There are two contradicting points in what I posted. But far left does not validate your claim he was a Marxist. That's the important part.



how one registers to vote is irrelevant as you and I are proof of that. I'm conservative your'e more progressive and we are both unaffiliated.


I'm a socialist, not a progressive. Please understand the difference. Progressives are a small group within the political landscape that are weak-kneed and capitulate to popular opinion.

I stand my ground and defend my beliefs without having to give in to those that wish to shout louder than I do.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 09:32 PM
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The NYTimes should know better. What a combination, eh...vented hatred of liberals AND the government. Nice.

They play us all in the way they word and finesse things...the way they couch the stories.


That could be true, but have we asked ourselves if what they say is true or not? Did he have hatred against liberals and the government?

We can see from people on this very site that many, many people do have that very mindset. We can call it propaganda from the Left, but we must also ask if it is also true.
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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 09:42 PM
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I'm a libtard definitely not right wing. I'm also a lone wolf...in other words i like you a whole lot less than you like me. No one has anything I want property, character or position. Never was into the herd mentality and generally stay to myself.

Its plain to see the Hegelian Dialectic is being used once again because some of the conspiracies the conspiracy factualists talk about are facts...especially the far fetched ones. I don't like Nazis but then again I don't like ashkeNAZIs Khazars Canaanites, or Edomites.

Folks like me get the real cool spooky surveillance..unfortunately wasted resources on a false positive is not my problem. I do what God does...i will allow your free will to bury you til ya surrender. I don't need to attack anyone- I'll be here for ya when you willing to try a new way.

I might add you never truly seceded from the British Crown, your Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) have been edited to control you, a whole lot more than just rocket science came over on Project Paperclip, and Zionism is just another label for Nazism. Matter fact the word Nazi is a Sumerian deity and also means to destroy the past. They don't want you to find out the truth about history is what it boils down to and you don't have to believe anything i say...it will become more apparent as we move along this time line. You can already sense the pressure emanating from everyone out there in mainstream .
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