Bernie Sanders: Time For A Federal Living Wage

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Basically, this is designed to punish success.

When everyone is special, nobody is special.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
It'll never happen.

People by nature are selfish and look out for only themselves and their families. As long as they are comfortable, everyone else is on their own.

The mentality is "I've got my bases covered, get your act together!"

It's actually an evolutionary hold-over from caveman days. If we didn't think of ourselves and family first, we wouldn't have survived as a species.

I think it sad, and in my opinion, untrue when people say that it's 'human nature to be self-centered'. Asians have evolved cultures that are decidedly 'community-centered' and I believe those cavemen had to work together in their tribes to survive at all. If they were only concerned about themselves and their immediate family they would have died out - would have never exchanged mates with other tribes allowing the 'gene pool' to flourish.

Check out the alternative view:

A century ago, industrialists like Andrew Carnegie believed that Darwin’s theories justified an economy of vicious competition and inequality.

They left us with an ideological legacy that says the corporate economy, in which wealth concentrates in the hands of a few, produces the best for humanity.

This was always a distortion of Darwin’s ideas.

His 1871 book The Descent of Man argued that the human species had succeeded because of traits like sharing and compassion.

“Those communities,” he wrote, “which included the greatest number of the most sympathetic members would flourish best, and rear the greatest number of offspring.”

Darwin was no economist, but wealth-sharing and cooperation have always looked more consistent with his observations about human survival than the elitism and hierarchy that dominates contemporary corporate life.

A decent introductory article on the subject.

www.yesmagazine.org...

There is plenty of research out there to find on this subject.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: beezzer
I know and understand that you or anyone else could care less. Why should you?

But conversely, why should I give a damn about anyone else?

But, isn't this what you are advocating? You are worried about your worth and so is the guy who is going to throw you under the bus.

Yep.

It's just like the transition to Obamacare.

Millions lost their insurance, people died, but now here we are, stuck with it.

Turning our economic paradigm to a socialist one will cause millions to lose their money, people will die, and 2-3 generations later,, people will adjust.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I don't know where you work, or even if you do, but I can imagine that there are those that work harder, those that work less.

In a merit-based system, the hard worker would get rewarded, the poor worker punished.

Now?

It's all equal.

Why work hard (er)???

originally posted by: beezzer
Why work hard (er)???

For me it's just a matter of pride. Old School and all. Eventually we will reach a critical mass in America, however. When that day arrives, the remaining middle class workers will realize they're working more to pay for everybody else than they are to provide for their own and they'll simply throw their hands up and quit. On that day there will be no rejoicing...

a reply to: beezzer

Not getting it. You are worried about your worth and so are others. What's the difference?

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: beezzer

Not getting it. You are worried about your worth and so are others. What's the difference?

The "others" are attempting to gain on MY wealth and work.

I have no reason to worry about my life?

a reply to: beezzer

Of course, and you want to keep your worth even if that means keeping THEIRS suppressed.

You have the same reasons they do to worry about their lives.

That is capitalism isn't it?

a reply to: daskakik

Why should I be penalized for being successful?

That's all fine and good but any problem needs to be addressed from both ends or it only results in a very temporary fix.

Business is the problem, Banking methods are the problem.

The system as it is and has been for a long time is the problem.

There will be a war and we will fight and cheer and act like real life and death and pain and all is a game for a time. We will take a time to mourn and kick ourselves for being so #ing stupid and we will soon forget about the mistakes of the past and do it all over again.

Things don't really change because the names are changed, it's still the same old # as it was before they called it something different.

Same with politics, They say what the people want to hear to get their vote and may even be honest, but the people who are actually in charge are not elected and they are actually way more powerful than any politician or government agency could ever be.

Those un-elected don't have to follow the rules because they write the rules.

originally posted by: beezzer
Why should I be penalized for being successful?

That isn't what is happeneing, that is just how you are rationalizing your position.

The invisible hand doesn't care how succsessful you are. It just balances things out.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: beezzer
Why should I be penalized for being successful?

That isn't what is happeneing, that is just how you are rationalizing your position.

The invisible hand doesn't care how succsessful you are. It just balances things out.

The dollars that I have will be worth less.

It impacts me directly.

Justify it all you want, I will be punished for being successful, and apparently, you don't have a problem with that.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

I love Bernie but he has little chance of winning, and that’s unfortunate because the choices are only Hillary who is terrible but as bad as she is the GOP are inhuman in their philosophy and 100 percent corporate flunkies and out totally for the rich and superrich…

Hillary as a democrat at least has to give lip service to being a human being even though she is a corporate flunky too and a murderer.


But it just goes to show you how bad the republicans are that she is still better than all of them


It’s always in American elections a choice between the lesser of 2 evils

originally posted by: beezzer
It impacts me directly.

It sure does but it isn't because you are succesful.

Someone with less than you have will also "be punished".

Justify it all you want, I will be punished for being successful, and apparently, you don't have a problem with that.

It isn't my place to worry about you. It is what you advocate so, why act like you are now offended by the idea.

a reply to: daskakik

It's not your place to worry about me, and I refuse to be concerned about you.

See how easy that is?

Don't mess with me or mine and we'll get along fine.

originally posted by: beezzer
It's not your place to worry about me, and I refuse to be concerned about you.

See how easy that is?

Then what are you complaining about?

Don't mess with me or mine and we'll get along fine.

Seems to me someone is messing with you and yours so, take care of your business and stop trying to get the rest of us to care.

a reply to: daskakik

Raising wages to a "living wage" will affect me, though.

It will lessen the value of the salary I currently receive.

I'm under no illusion that it won't happen, mind you. It will occur. It'll hurt millions of people that are successful. But that's they way of the world. We're turning away from our current system to a socialist system. You should celebrate.

I'm trying to prepare for it. I will hoard, amass as much as I can to forestall the coming change.

Ironically, the same intellectuals telling people to get a good education and college degrees are the same ones telling people to share all their wealth with people who won't go to college.

No wonder all the systems and governments fail.

High housing/rental cost have to do with zoning, nimbyism, and government fees for building/repairing anything in order to pay bloated .gov systems. Cheap public housing does not work, public housing that works is expensive rendering the point of it mute.

$15/hr turns anyone under 18 as unemployable, no more part time high school kids. college summer jobs? nope, gone.

Businesses that don't have that many customers will just shut down, stores/eatery open 24 hours reduce to normal hours. I'd imagine a lot of fast food joints just shutting down due to lack of revenue per hour vs new labor cost. some will eliminate the cashier position.

as food prices have to increase to pay for wages demand for said food decreases pushing revenues even lower.

also no one here is defending rich ppl loopholes so get off it.

originally posted by: beezzer
Raising wages to a "living wage" will affect me, though.

It will lessen the value of the salary I currently receive.

Never said it wouldn't.

I'm under no illusion that it won't happen, mind you. It will occur. It'll hurt millions of people that are successful. But that's they way of the world.

Isn't it also the way of capitalism?

We're turning away from our current system to a socialist system. You should celebrate.

I'm not a socialist so there is nothing for me to celebrate about.