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Bernie Sanders: Time For A Federal Living Wage

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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 11:56 AM
Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders Has a few choice words about the minimum wage in the US of A:

“It is a national disgrace that millions of full-time workers are living in poverty and millions more are forced to work two or three jobs just to pay their bills,” Sanders said during a rally near the U.S. Capitol.

“A job must lift workers out of poverty, not keep them in it,” Sanders said. “The current federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour is a starvation wage and must be raised to a living wage.”


Those morally corrupt politicians who serve the corporations have a challenger!

Go Bernie!!!

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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 12:11 PM
It'll never happen.

People by nature are selfish and look out for only themselves and their families. As long as they are comfortable, everyone else is on their own.

The mentality is "I've got my bases covered, get your act together!"

It's actually an evolutionary hold-over from caveman days. If we didn't think of ourselves and family first, we wouldn't have survived as a species.

However, in today's more enlightened era, we don't have to risk life and limb fighting sabertooth tigers with sharp pointy sticks. We create a surplus of food and other material items. There really shouldn't be any reason why anyone should go hungry or have their basic needs met.

1. shelter
2. food
3. safety
4. basic medical care
5. basic education

Those are things that we should strive to provide for everyone, always. Today's society diminishes the value of the human being, and divides us and pits us against one another. We fight over scraps, kicking each others teeth in, all the while buying into a fake "rat race" created by the wealthy.

We don't fight back and demand that all human lives have value, because we're fighting just to give our own lives value. It's hard to see beyond ourselves in today's society and not be selfish. It's impossible to care for others when the system is so rotten through that we're struggling to defend just what we have.

No, the selfish brutes will rule the day...the false scarcity or resources keeps us fighting one another, keeps us greedy, and keeps us from realizing our truer potential. We could give everyone a living wage -- we really could, but that would mean that millions upon millions of Americans would be seen as "equal" or deserving.

Those that advocate against a basic standard of living in America won't admit to be xenophobic or racist, or even greedy and selfish. But at their core they truly are, because they could still provide for themselves and their family while being able to assure that every American is treated with value.

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 12:19 PM
Good for Bernie, but no doubt those poor old employers will be bleating how this could mean one less vacation per year and how by being forced to do this, many people will be lose their jobs.

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 12:22 PM
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Wow that was an amazing post, insightful and quite truthfull.


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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 12:35 PM
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Raising the minimum wage does nothing but bring the middle class closer to the poor and makes the poor even more poor in the long run.

Look at what has happened in the past, we have raised the minimum wage before and its gotten worst for the middle class and below.

The rich have increased further away from the middle class and the middle class has gone closer to the poor and everyone has gotten more poor besides the upper class.

This is why [its about buying power not quantity]:

$1 for a Gallon of milk

$10 an hr wage for the middle class employee. [10% of their hourly income]

$6 an hr wage for the minimum employee. [17% of their hourly income]

When a minimum raise occurs those above the minimum wage typically don't get a raise and business raise the prices of their product to reflect the cost increase. On top of it , businesses also take the opportunity to add a little extra since customers don't like it when you raise prices.

After the minimum wage increase:
$2 for a Gallon of milk

$10 an hr wage for the middle class employee. [20% of their hourly income] Lost buying power

$8 an hr wage for the minimum employee. [25% of their hourly income] Lost buying power

I'm not saying something doesn't have to be done but minimum wage has not worked in the past , recent history and common sense tells you why.

This ain't it folks.
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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 12:37 PM
Oh eff it! Let's just all in and create a fully centrally controlled command economy already.

I don't need to own anything. You don't need to own anything. We can ALL live on the all-powerful beneficence of the state!

All hail the NWO and our wonderful bureaucratic overlords!

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 12:50 PM
get that wage up !!!!

it's high time we force all the small businesses out

make way for big gulping corporations !!!!

socialism is evolving into full blown capitalism !!!

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 12:59 PM
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Very nice post.

I wholeheartedly agree and believe that there will come a day when we will grow-up and realize that it is quite easy to provide all of those things you listed at a relatively small cost.

I believe our economies and governments will evolve in to a mixture of communism and capitalism, and strive towards much bigger goals than profit and self-gratification.

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:01 PM

originally posted by: ketsuko
Oh eff it! Let's just all in and create a fully centrally controlled command economy already.

I don't need to own anything. You don't need to own anything. We can ALL live on the all-powerful beneficence of the state!

All hail the NWO and our wonderful bureaucratic overlords!

Taking it to a bit of an extreme, are we not?

What leads you to believe that if we provided the basic needs for everyone that you cannot own private property?

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:04 PM
a reply to: introvert

Because someone will have to pay for it, and that someone will be me and everyone else in the middle class. Not only will we get soaked through the taxes on one end, but when the price of everything goes up in comensation, we'll get squeezed on that side, too. Oh, and we won't be getting any raises to the living wage, so our work will be devalued.

We will all then be equally poor and equally miserable. Socialism.

And no one will have the extra cash to afford anything.

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:05 PM
Now I am all for helping others to succeed, but taking money from some to give it them isn't the way to do it.

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:11 PM
a reply to: ketsuko

If our priorities were straight it would cost very little and taxes would not have to be raised at all. In fact, your tax money is being used to pay-off corporate farms to NOT grow food or as compensation for growing food for ethanol as we speak.

You're taking it to an extreme because you are not properly educated on socialism and what can be done in conjunction with capitalism.

Also, you are a good example of the type of people that cannot look past the end of their noses to care one damn bit about those around you that are in trouble. Mark my words, we can and will begin to take care of each other when we finally decide to grow up.
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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:13 PM
I'm all for shaking up the corporatocratic status quo... but raising the minimum wage isn't the answer. It looks good and sounds good, but doesn't work in practice.

So far the $15 minimum wage has only been passed in a few cities. Seattle led the way in 2014 by gradually increasing its minimum wage to $15 an hour. The city was followed by Los Angeles, San Francisco and Oakland. These cities, however, have already been seeing some problems. For instance, some businesses have had to close and nonprofits in Los Angeles are reporting problems as well.

Nevertheless, Americans for the most part overwhelmingly support raising the minimum wage. According to Gallup, upward of 76 percent of people favor raising it to $9 an hour while 22 percent opposed the idea. Studies on the subject have shown varying results.

If people were given a choice between a minimum wage and a proportionate wage on the other hand -- i.e., the highest paid employee cannot be paid more than a designated ratio to the lowest paid employee, so with a 500% ratio for example, if the lowest paid employee is making $50,000 per year then the highest paid employee cannot make more than $250,000 per year -- I firmly believe most people would choose the proportionate wage every time.

I also believe it would give employees a great incentive to work harder and more effectively and efficiently, knowing that their pay is directly tied to the health and growth of the company. Everyone wins.

But I would still give businesses a choice, by tying it into the tax code and incorporation laws. If want to incorporate, you must share the profits with those who make those profits possible. No ifs, ands or buts about it. If you don't want to incorporate, but you are willing to pay proportionate wages, then you get an effective tax credit.

(And I would eliminate ALL income taxes on EARNED income. Period.)

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:14 PM
a reply to: introvert

Right? We could provide small, prefabricated, compact housing units to the poor, along with basic allotments of food and basic preventative medical care.

You know what? Not everyone would be satisfied with that. Many would want/crave more. I think it's disingenuous and insulting to insinuate that all human beings are lazy moochers. Those claiming this certainly aren't.

We'd have people still wanting more out of life, wanting to study the sciences and wanting to improve their station in life. Providing a bare-bones standard of living would enable social mobility.

Throwing money at a problem (education) doesn't solve low test scores. Getting people out of poverty and in a mental head space to focus on learning helps improve test scores. Crime is directly related to poverty and fighting over limited resources.

This class warfare that we buy into and accept is a false dichotomy, created and maintained by those at the top to keep humanity from progressing. Those in control fear loosing their own iron grip. By dehumanizing and devaluing the average human, they can maintain their pleasure domes of security.

Whether we want to accept it or not, the Earth is our ark. We're all on this boat together and until we begin space exploration in earnest, we can't just hop off. It's barbaric and inhuman to neglect the less fortunate while only focusing on the well being of one's self. We as a species are only as strong as the weakest among us, god forbid the day comes when an advanced civilization reaches out to us -- as conquerors or friends. What would have have to show them? Petty, small-minded, greed-infested organisms, hell-bent on profiting off the backs of others? Or a united species, confident, resolute and proud of our planet?

I know what kind of Earth I would want to represent.

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:14 PM
a reply to: ketsuko

I often wonder about those folks that claim to have so much money and yet spend days on end at ATS whining about the poor possibly getting a raise. I find it almost comical that you fear the poor getting more money as those that have will quickly take that money back from the poor, that's how they stay rich.

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:14 PM
a reply to: introvert

You don't know one bit about me.

I care plenty about people, but I also know the government does not help them. And having lived through minimum wage hikes. This won't help them either. Government wants nothing that does not amass power and control to itself. Bernie is not your messiah. He is just another facet of the system.

You can either actually help people or continue to enable them. Enabling people is not helping them.

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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:20 PM
a reply to: MystikMushroom


I could not have said it better.

a reply to: ketsuko

Of course government cannot care for people. It has no way to do so. But you forget that government is made and directed by the people. If we want government to do something, we force it to do it.

The problem is that people are lazy to create a government that does what it is supposed to do, and are only concerned with themselves.

Yes, it will require money to do what I spoke of. I'd rather my money went to help my fellow man than for it to be spent on war and killing. Imagine what we could do without the need to fund endless war.

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:23 PM
And what do the rich think the poor are going to do with more money? Destroy it? Take it out of circulation?


They'll SPEND IT. And they'll probably spend it on goods/services owned by the wealthy.

It's only helping the wheel go around to have more people spending more money.

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:30 PM
a reply to: ketsuko

I forgot to address this:

Bernie is not your messiah.

No man is my messiah. I think Bernie is on the right track, but he does not go far enough for me. I don't even know if I will vote for him.

posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 01:30 PM
Personally, I think we'd do better to draw a line in the sand and say, "If you are below this much, you get X in monthly disbursement." Make sure that amount is below the Federal average income by a good $10,000 or so/year. Then disburse it in monthly amounts.

Cut all the d*** bureaucracies that oversee the subsidies.

We all have to manage our money? So do they. No more housing subsidy. No more EBT. No more utility subsidies. No more daycare and other subsidies.

We don't get those things and we have to budget. Let them learn the real value of everything and learn to manage their money. Let them work at the same time if they want more. That's the purpose of making it less than average. For everything above the average they make, cut the amount they are awarded until they are totally independent.

But stop paying government bean counters to do what they should all be doing for themselves, and if they can't manage their money and wind up starving on the streets? Well, it's not like they didn't have adequate cash on hand. At that point, they need to go to charity. But the government enriches, empowers itself way too much on the idea that poor people can't figure out how to live like the rest of us have to.

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