Shooting with multiple fatalities at theater in Lafayette, Louisiana.

originally posted by: LeatherNLace

Sadly, this is true. And weapons, at the moment of the crimes- whether CC or not have not helped. Yes, there are examples of people in their homes using guns to defend themselves or some type of LE acting after, helping. But this is y et another example of someone that shouldn't have had a gun and another party having a weapon on them would not have been able to stop it.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I believe the point he was trying to make is that many try to sweep the Chicago issue under the rug. Yes it is black on black and inter city, but there is another point. Every time one of these shootings happen people bring up the gun ban idea. What Chicago shows is that this "ban" idea does not work.

Why do people sweep this under the table?

Is it because it IS black on black for the most part?

Or could it be that it's a prime example of how strict gun bans and laws do not work?


Personally I think we have plenty of gun laws on the books. Just force people to follow the ones that are there already instead of ignoring them and calling for new ones.

originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: beezzer

I agree that the primary focus should be on a improving our mental health system but why not a two prong attack? I'm not seeing the harm in preventing individuals with severe mental illness from acquiring any number of items with a potential for use in mass murder, be it firearms or fertilizer.

In order to accomplish that, you'd have to get the ACLU to change it's stance, and a revision of HIPPA. Mental health issues is covered in form 4773, among other things, as a dis qualifier to purchase a gun.
riaclu.org...

Lying on this form is a felony, but the current administration won't go after offenders.
dailycaller.com...

The true holy grail would be an investigation into the causes of incidents like this, and legislation that targets the findings, without collateral damage. Can craziness like this be stopped? I don't believe so, but the solution isn't going to be restrictions and feel good legislation, like cosmetic features and mag limits.

From your Daily Caller source "In all, prosecutors pursued just 44 of those 62 cases. More than 72,600 applications were denied on the basis of a background check." Over 72k were already denied. So, over 72k didn't get a gun. There were 62 left that raised enough of a flag to investigate further and 44 were. So, less than 20, who already didn't get a gun, weren't investigated even further. Pretty good numbers. Your Source

originally posted by: notmyrealname

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: notmyrealname

Brilliant idea in a dark theater with people running and screaming.

Nobody was screaming according to posts on this thread and theaters are usually only dark prior to when the movies starts. Anyway point taken; you are correct. Protecting yourself or attempting to stop the perpetration of a crime is a bad thing to do. Maybe you would call 911?

Every movie go to...the theater is pretty light before the movie and dark as soon as the ads start and then, throughout. Not sure where you watch movies.

originally posted by: muse7
Another day in Gun Lovin' USA..

If the shooting at sandy hook that left 23 innocent kids dead did not incite change then we should just learn to live and accept that these random shootings are just part of every day life in the USA.

And it's time we start labeling these things as cases of domestic terrorism...how is this different than when an ISIS terrorist blows him self up at a crowded super market?

Ah yes, blame the gun lovers. Here's a solution, How about doing things like where I live? Every Thursday-Sunday, two armed LEOs sit in their cruisers outside of our most popular theaters. Its a good deterrent, while still not infringing on people.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: notmyrealname

Brilliant idea in a dark theater with people running and screaming.

I dunno about you, but I think most people would duck and stay low if they hear gunfire, creating clear line of sight. How would you see someone in a dark theater you ask? Muzzle flash.

originally posted by: muse7

originally posted by: notmyrealname

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: notmyrealname

Brilliant idea in a dark theater with people running and screaming.

Nobody was screaming according to posts on this thread and theaters are usually only dark prior to when the movies starts. Anyway point taken; you are correct. Protecting yourself or attempting to stop the perpetration of a crime is a bad thing to do. Maybe you would call 911?

straw man

ooooh you pulled a fallacy card, aren't you clever.

a reply to: dismanrc

Why do people sweep this under the table?

Is it because it IS black on black for the most part?

Or could it be that it's a prime example of how strict gun bans and laws do not work?

What are you talking about dude? People pay way more attention to gun crime in Chicago, even though the southern states tend to have far more gun crime.

Louisiana for example has a gun murder rate of 7.7 people per 100,000, yet only a population density of 105 people per square mile. Where as Illinois only has a murder rate of 2.8 people per 100,000 and a population density of over 231 people per square mile.

Gun crime by state

Plus, it doesn't matter how strict gun laws are in a particular state when it comes to gangs, since there not stupid and are fully capable of crossing state borders.

Gun shows for example are a criminals paradise. They just rock up to a gun show with a roll of notes and can purchase up to like 30 guns, no fBI checks and no requirement to register purchased weapons. Then they drive back over the border to a state that has stricter gun laws and sell the firearms to other criminals for a small fortune.

How gang members manage to become so well armed is not rocket science and could easily be dealt with, if the people had any kind of desire to deal with the problem.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: MoreBeer

IF they wanted to have an 'honest' discussion' they would admit that murder was already illegal.

Thus any more laws are superfluous.

Basically they want something that is already illegal more so. Which doesn't do anything.

Like drug abuse?
So you claim that control of dangerous substances is pointless, because use of those drugs is already illegal.

Your logic is that because making and using Crack is already illegal nothing at all should be done about the sale of it, the arrests for abuse, the selling to kids, the drug rings in cities...

Because it's already illegal, so why have any laws to restrict its use or sale, right?

a reply to: Domo1

He's right. Not only can it tend to incite copycats, but the notoriety and attention (to theimselves or their cause) is a motivation for some (not all).

Unfortunately, most localities don't know how to keep a lid on it or aren't allowed to, though in many cases they attempt it.

And the media, social and otherwise, are just as out of control as these shooters...maybe with the same disease in some respects.

If anybody is interested, the details as it stands this morning are:

3 dead including the gunman, 9 wounded. Injuries range from critical to non life-threatening.

Gunman has been identified by police but they haven't released his name to media. CNN is reporting LE as saying they have no known motive at this time.

Theater was occupied by around 100 people. Depending on the size of the theater, people could've been pretty well spread out or packed in on top of each other.

Witness statements are all over the place, ranging from "barely heard it over the movie" to "I heard shots like it was a war." Witnesses seem to agree there was no argument or anything before hand and the shooter was calm up to and during the shooting.

No word on why the media was evacuated.

a reply to: Shamrock6

There's also a story about a teacher who, it goes something like this, threw herself in front of a friend to protect the friend and then after being shot, pulled the fire alarm to warn others.

Police withholding names until they know more facts and owe that to the families of the victims, and in my opinion, so that overzealous people don't start muddying the waters of the investigation.

Next press conference might be at 7:30 ETZ.

How does society remove all firearms from the world to enforce a ban. After all, people who are not legally allowed to have them, get them. If firearms exists, the 'wrong' person who wants one will still acquire one.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

And when more than one do-gooder tries to take out the bad guy?

Watching the pre press conference media circus. A local reporter is saying the shooter stood up, shot both people in front of him and then started shooting others. When people started running, he ran the other direction and then shot himself when he saw police arriving.

Will see if that matches what the officials have to say.

ETA - authorities investigating a motel 6 where the gunman may have been staying. Gunman is from Alabama.

So Obama says a key triger sentence.
and the shooting starts.

I read this in the news BBC.
"President Barack Obama has admitted that his failure to pass
( common sense gun safety laws )
in the US is the greatest frustration of his presidency. "
BBC news obama

this is crazy! how low will they go.
and doind a cinema Again?
any one know what the film was?

a reply to: Shamrock6

They took a box out of one room believed to be the suspects and LE were asking folks in neighboring rooms questions. We still don't know anything about what they found in his car.

a reply to: buddha

When failures manifest .... only a select few get big news coverage +++++

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Gunman identified as John Houser. Described as a 59 year old "drifter" from Alabama. Multiple disguises were found in his motel room. Vehicle he was driving had stolen license plates, and was found parked outside an emergency exit of the theater. Officials believe this shows intent to escape. Local law enforcement response was almost immediate, as two officers were on the property (but not in the multiplex itself) when the shooting occurred. They entered the multiplex and heard a single gunshot. When they entered the theater they found the gunman dead of a self inflicted GSW and one dead female victim along with the wounded.

Will update.

Area was evacuated due to wires being observed in the backseat of the car as well as "three suspicious objects" found inside the theater. Bomb squad used a robot to clear the car as well as all three objects. No explosives found. Police have already been to subject's residence in Alabama and are interviewing his friends and neighbors. Motive is still unknown at this time.

More info: Houser had a few arrests including one for arson but nothing in the last 10-15 years. Family is saying that for the most part they had little to no contact with him and that he was largely estranged from the rest of them. Still nothing has been found either in his motel or Alabama residence (a town called Phenix) to indicate why he was in Lafayette.

Only known connection to Lafayette is an uncle that lived in town but has been deceased for 35 years.

No drugs found in the motel room during the search.