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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: greencmp
The United States of America is the oldest government on the planet so this experiment is not over.
Our founders warned us of the dangers of central power and we have been dismissing their remonstrations. We must correct that error.
I think the delusion in all of this is the very idea that any "system" could possibly be successful in solving all (or even some) of humanities problems. It is the absence of a system, the free market, that allows for the best possible outcomes simply by allowing all outcomes.
Indeed, the experiment is not over yet. However I need to point out that among those founders were also men who were in favor of centralized power. Were they called Federalists? I'm not sure. And wasn't this the crux of much of the early debates and power struggles among them? And duels?
And as much as I recognize the dangers of centralized power I also recognize that 'human systems' of power are only that, human systems and hence are products of our own scattered nature. However, I think that relying on 'no system' is not the answer either. Because from the way I see it, the free market is also a human construct and having more faith in that chimera is no more sound that having faith in any other human designed theory. Trusting in that free market might have been the best way to go for a while, but as time moves along and people change and the dynamics of technology and all the rest progress, I think that holding to and defending that system that worked for a while is no longer a valid approach. We have seen how that system morphs and know bloody well that it is now firmly in the hands of the 'big guy'.
originally posted by: xuenchen
Marx wrote that Capitalism would evolve into Socialism (or something like that).
What if he had it backwards?
Or what if he published those ideas backwards on purpose?
Today's world system seems to be evolving towards total capitalism.
All the big governments all have big central banks and the big multi-national corporations are getting bigger.
And many governments (and corporations) are using a lot of the "Ten Planks" ideas.
The Communism and Socialism of the failed Soviet Union and aligned governments along with China are, and have been evolving into Capitalism.
originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: xuenchen
Your premise is flawed, that's not evolving into capitalism, that's evolving into fascism.
originally posted by: Bicent76
a reply to: Isurrender73
I think their are to many variables to those statistics to blame capitalism...
Hell there are families crossing the border just to be homeless in America.
It is much easier to find establishments in our society to blame, before we blame ourselves for our positions we get ourselves into..
Thru out my life speaking in my own opinionated view I have learned nothing is for free, and you MUST work for everything and try to find better positions to be in, in life..
Hell man, if I stop moving in my life to blame Society, the government, or Big corperations for my position in life I will become a loser...
That is what I have learned... I do not have time to blame anyone for my position but myself.. 9 times outta 10, it is my fault in the first place..
I think this ideology is a cop out, and a excuse people use, when they are not smart enough, or do not work hard enough to succeed in life, YET you might be right OP...