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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
jewamongyou.wordpress.com...
The lesbian vs. transgender conflict
There was a great video on the subject I can't find it.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: JadeStar
Personally I have no problem with them banning them if they had problems in the past with them. I do think it would probably be better for them to vett the performers and performances so they only had non-offensive drag queens present but since they often bring entourages of other people from their drag scene who would be offensive then maybe they decided to just ban them entirely?
Should this apply across the board to any parade?
Personally I have more of an issue with the "Leather Bondage".
Should public parades be completely G-rated as to not offend anyone?
What about Mardi Gras and Rio? (Those are most famous, but there are a lot more over-the-top parades and festivals in the world).
Should ALL acts be vetted?
originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: Stormdancer777
Yes, because he has always been a Woman.. without understanding the science behind Transgender i can see why it might be confusing, but if Caitlyn has always been attracted to Woman than she would identify as Lesbian
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: JadeStar
How about putting on black face paint and pretending to "be black"? They frequently have done this.
Or how about singling out identifiably transgender women in the audience and refer to them with male pronouns? They've done that.
Or how about trivializing or turning into comedy the medical/surgical treatment of some transgender people? They've done that too..
Those things would be offensive to just about EVERYONE, though.
Those things are just wrong. I had no idea.
Rude, offensive, and hateful.
originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: introvert
Personally i don't think any of it would be Offensive outright.
Drag is not "Mocking" transgender people or Gender Identities. it's an expression of "Character"
for me personally it's a way for me to live and express my 'Feminine Self'
originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: Cuervo
True, some people think that Transgender Woman and Drag Queens are the same if not similar, but i think now with more Trans issues becoming public and more Trans education becoming conversation people are starting to understand and define the differences, of course you are always going to have those people that are just ignorant no matter how much Knowledge is being given.
and that is why the Trans people that identify publicly as Trans are as important as those that don't want to be associated with that Label
originally posted by: Gryphon66
I've been to a few drag show in Atlanta, since the mid 1980s.
One of the last ones I went to (about 8 years ago) was hosted by Miss Charlie Brown, a Southern fixture in the scene and the same person that was influential in RuPaul's early career.
Charlie loves to mess with "straight" people in the audience. He was picking on me for about 3 or 4 minutes, because he didn't believe I was gay, and he did so with very overt and profane questions. I am used to such things happening, but, there are times when some performers take it over the top in the "abuse" part of the program.
I can see that some people would be hurt by that kind of attention. Just like going to some comedy shows, I know to expect it.
As I said, I'm more than a bit confused myself by all the fine distinctions being made these days. I look forward to a time when none of them are necessary and people are treated fairly and equitably regardless of any "differences" they may have.
originally posted by: Stormdancer777
jewamongyou.wordpress.com...
The lesbian vs. transgender conflict
There was a great video on the subject I can't find it.
Latte Island has a series of posts about ongoing clashes between transgender activists and lesbian activists. There’s even a video showing a confrontation between the groups during a march.
In the video, lesbian activist Cathy Brennan can be heard telling a gender-modified man that he is “not a woman”. Here are her own words explaining her position regarding men pretending to be women:
originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: JadeStar
So you only think that a Drag Performer would single out a hypothetical 13 Girl and Verbally assault her for being Trans?
that is assuming not only the worst of people but also assuming that Drag Queens are incapable of understanding trans Issues
How would that hypothetical 13 year old feel if Trans People were Banned from pride if they identify as "Cis-Normative'?
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: JadeStar
How about putting on black face paint and pretending to "be black"? They frequently have done this.
Or how about singling out identifiably transgender women in the audience and refer to them with male pronouns? They've done that.
Or how about trivializing or turning into comedy the medical/surgical treatment of some transgender people? They've done that too..
Those things would be offensive to just about EVERYONE, though.
Those things are just wrong. I had no idea.
Rude, offensive, and hateful.
You'd think so right?
But there are many who think that stuff should get a pass because: "duh, it's JUST a performance. don't take it too seriously!" same kinda next level b.s. we hear from certain comedians who use the t-word or make transgender people the punch line of their jokes (assuming no transgender people bought a ticket to see them).