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2 Mind Blowing Hypocrisies Straight from the Headlines

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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

I'm a disabled single mother, I paid into the system for 16 years and now I'm dependent on it. So I am especially incensed by this BS.




posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: ladyvalkyrie




, even though PP has decades of experience in reproductive HEALTH (not all abortions, all day, every day). So...to re-cap: veterans are unable to go outside the VA for fertility


People do not go to PP to 'get' pregnant.

The main reason people go to PP is to either get rid of it, or stop it from being born in the first place.

Hell even after passage of the ACA there is absolutely no reason for PP to even exist.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

I wouldn't worry about it that much to be honest. they have been shifting the people around, from being employed, oops, you job can be done cheaper in china, sorry, to unemployed...oops your benefits have run out, to underpaid employment-gov't aid to disablility, and well, in the end all they've been doing is playing with the numbers trying to make the economy look better. but they know that they can't pull the rug out on so many people because well, they need the people buying their products to earn that profit that will pay their debts and keep them running....
they're no gonna do it unless the whole ball game collaspes I don't think. because well doing it will collaspe it!



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: neo96
I got some of my prenatal care from them for a couple of my sons...
they just wouldn't deliver the baby...



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: neo96

The point of this thread is that currently veterans are banned from seeking help outside the VA for FERTILITY (you know that thing that's the opposite of abortion) because a Pro-Life Republican tried to insert his own provisions.

You're honestly telling me that you don't support the government funding a veteran going to a PP for fertility treatments? Or an annual pap-smear? Or an STD? When the VA is sleeping on the job and completely unable to provide adequate care a lot of the time?



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: neo96

The ACA is a smoke an mirrors joke. And, like I said before, even WITH insurance a lot of times PP is cheaper and quicker to get help. So there is more of a need than you know. 50% of the population (women) has a unique and ongoing set of health issues (reproductive health) and they are in the most vulnerable position to try to get it (earning less than men, not earning at all b/c they stay at home). No one else is stepping up to the plate. PP fills a gap that is ridiculously wide that is full of women and children. And while Pro-Lifers are pissing and moaning about the 'genocide' and 'baby murder' that is abortion I have yet to hear one word about providing a replacement service once they succeed in making PP extinct.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

It just pisses me off that my benefits may be cut by 19%...but Israel gets a fleet of Humvees or some sh*t on Uncle Sam's dime. If times were so desperate that politicians were cutting their OWN salaries by 19% and funding abroad down to 0...it would be an easier pill to swallow.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Okay.

So republicans are evil and there's no money for Social Security.

Solution?

Vote for bigger government and tax people more! Because, well, they spent all the money that they didn't have, and, well, they're broke.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

People do not go to PP to 'get' pregnant.

The main reason people go to PP is to either get rid of it, or stop it from being born in the first place.



Actually once I went to a PP to have them remove an IUD. My regular OBGYN had too long of a wait and I was having issues with it. Fertility resumed immediately after removal. So...yeah, PP can and does help women get pregnant. All the time. They also help with prenatal care and counseling about healthy diet during pregnancy and such.

So check, and mate. I have personal experience. You're basing your experience on propaganda you read on the inter webs, and frankly you are just flat out wrong.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

WTF are you talking about? I haven't said one word about Republicans. The whole lot of them are rubbish. Dems too. The resources are there if things were being intelligently and efficiently run. Unfortunately our 'leaders' are bought and paid for. You want to see a 'welfare queen'? Look at a politician. They dedicate their lives to climbing the ladder, smoochin' the ass, greasing the wheels. They draw a salary paid for by the taxpayers and jump on every chance possible to give themselves raises AND enjoy insider trading, brother-in-law deals, bribes, etc. They approve aid abroad then throw up their hands and go "Oops! Sorry people-on-disability, we're going to have to cut your benefits by 19% cuz we're out of money."

It's BS. And it makes me want to kick them in the dicks.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Just figured you were bashing the GOP, apologies.

So, what would you offer as a solution?



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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Yeah our government is something, I paid into the G.I. Bill in basic, roughly 2k, was supposed to get 48k for college and what do you know, when it came time for me to collect, uncle sam says, you no get it.

Even have had a local representative of Congress look into it, he pulled the same wool over my eyes, fleece of difference geese.

Honorably discharged veterans don't get treated that well by their own government.


Can only imagine what's going on with Social Security.

Maybe bitcoin will reign supreme one day soon.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: Tranceopticalinclined
Yeah our government is something, I paid into the G.I. Bill in basic, roughly 2k, was supposed to get 48k for college and what do you know, when it came time for me to collect, uncle sam says, you no get it.

Even have had a local representative of Congress look into it, he pulled the same wool over my eyes, fleece of difference geese.

Honorably discharged veterans don't get treated that well by their own government.


Can only imagine what's going on with Social Security.

Maybe bitcoin will reign supreme one day soon.


Sorry to hear about that, what was the reason they said you aren't eligible to receive it if you don't mind me asking?



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

My solution would NEVER happen, because all the rot is at the top and they would never relinquish an inch:
What needs to happen is to dismantle the feds to the bare bones. Pull all our resources back home where it belongs. Eliminate all the superfluous laws, down to the most very basic stuff. Then leave all the authority to as small a partition as possible. County level. Things would level out real quick. And you don't like the county/state you're in? Move to one that's more tailor made to your beliefs.

At the very least there should be super short term limits, no public compensation for office and prison time for accepting bribes. Ensure that people taking office are truly doing it For the People.

Another major problem is that most politicians start out as lawyers (with an increase in doctors I've noticed). Lawyers are self serving d-bags. Maybe not ALL of them, but seriously, most of them are. Who they really need to recruit would be successful business owners such as the CEO for Google. People who can actually operate a large system and stay IN THE BLACK, while still maintaining high levels of employee and customer satisfaction.
edit on 23-7-2015 by ladyvalkyrie because: add info



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

I have to agree that it would be easier to believe that they are broke and therefore have to cut the programs that help our citizens if they would just cut all the needless crap that they spend small fortunes on.
I mean how many trips do the president and first lady need to take and do we really need to know the mating ritual of some obscure, or not obscure critter? And what irks me the most is that they seem to find every reason in the world to renag on the promises made to our vets claiming proverty on the one hand while beating the danged wardrums for the next war with the other!!
act like your poor, and well, maybe there'd be less griping, but no, we should sacrifice more so your buddies should be making a million more this year than they did last!



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: beezzer

My solution would NEVER happen, because all the rot is at the top and they would never relinquish an inch:
What needs to happen is to dismantle the feds to the bare bones. Pull all our resources back home where it belongs. Eliminate all the superfluous laws, down to the most very basic stuff. Then leave all the authority to as small a partition as possible. County level. Things would level out real quick. And you don't like the county/state you're in? Move to one that's more tailor made to your beliefs.

At the very least there should be super short term limits, no public compensation for office and prison time for accepting bribes. Ensure that people taking office are truly doing it For the People.

Another major problem is that most politicians start out as lawyers (with an increase in doctors I've noticed). Lawyers are self serving d-bags. Maybe not ALL of them, but seriously, most of them are. Who they really need to recruit would be successful business owners such as the CEO for Google. People who can actually operate a large system and stay IN THE BLACK, while still maintaining high levels of employee and customer satisfaction.


I agree with most of this!

I would probably want even less actual governance than you in the end but, I would not have imagined that your solution would be so close to my own.

I have to ask, why do you want government assistance?

Is it just that you paid into it already and want your contributions back (totally valid position btw)?



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

I don't WANT government assistance. I NEED government assistance. I worked 16 years, earned a BA- minimal student loans which are all paid back. Model citizen, right? Then suddenly at age 34 I found myself disabled. Totally unable to work, I mean seriously, not even a fast food job. AND I had a 2 year old to support with no help from anyone.

There are 5 individuals that are responsible for my condition now. If the world were fair and just THEY would be paying to support me and my baby. But the world is not fair and just. The legal system is a joke. And I have no choice but to turn to public 'hand outs'. I could actually claim my child as a dependent and get more $, but we're doing just fine and I'm not going to take more than we need.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: greencmp

I don't WANT government assistance. I NEED government assistance. I worked 16 years, earned a BA- minimal student loans which are all paid back. Model citizen, right? Then suddenly at age 34 I found myself disabled. Totally unable to work, I mean seriously, not even a fast food job. AND I had a 2 year old to support with no help from anyone.

There are 5 individuals that are responsible for my condition now. If the world were fair and just THEY would be paying to support me and my baby. But the world is not fair and just. The legal system is a joke. And I have no choice but to turn to public 'hand outs'. I could actually claim my child as a dependent and get more $, but we're doing just fine and I'm not going to take more than we need.


I am sorry to hear about your situation, I really am. You and others like you are in fact the very people who are intended to receive subsidy under the law. Such assistance could be handled at the state and local level or, as I prefer, by voluntary personal contributions.

Contrary to what you may think as little as I have said so far, while I am vehemently against socialism, I only insist that it be nonexistent at the federal level. The states may do as they please provided they do not violate the constitution. I would leave such a state of course but, that is the nature of freedom and choice.

If we eliminate the IRS and Social Security, then states may choose to be SanderStates and give the old communist dream a go of it while leaving the rest of the country out of the experiment.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

I'm sure it would be much better handled on a smaller scale. But as things stand right now, it's handled by the federal government. I'm not even suggesting we should expand it. I'm just a bit annoyed that they're talking about cutting the Social Security budget when:

WTF is Non-Defense Discretionary? Take it out of that. Scale down the Defense budget. Pull all our troops home and issue a decree to the rest of the world that an attack on our soil means removal from the face of the earth. Pay cuts for politicians. If they would just make the system more efficient more people would be able to get better help for the same amount of money.

It just irks me that these fools run it into the ground and I'M the one taking a cut. Meanwhile all the managers and upper level managers and committee heads and directors of these failing departments are living in the lap of luxury. Nice houses, nice cars, being able to go to the doctor when they're sick, taking their kids to the doctor when THEY'RE sick...you know perks like that. I'm on disability but Medicare doesn't pay for my prescriptions, figure that one out.

But by golly we can find money in the budget for fancy stealth planes FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY!



F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
After years of negotiations, the United States and Israel announced in 2010 that Israel will purchase 19 F-35As at a cost of $2.75 billion. The F-35 is a fifth-generation stealth aircraft considered to be the most technologically advanced fighter jet ever made. Israel will pay for the F-35s entirely using FMF grants.36 In February 2015, Israel signed a contract to purchase a partial second squadron of 14 F-35As for $2.82 billion, bringing the total number of planes on order to 33.37 Israel has received U.S. approval to purchase up to 75 aircraft–potentially leading to as much as $15.2 billion in purchases if all options are exercised. As part of the F-35 deal, the United States agreed to make reciprocal purchases of equipment from Israeli defense companies estimated at $4 billion for these companies’ participation in the F-35’s manufacture.38 In the fall of 2013, Israeli defense manufacturer Elbit Systems and its American corporate partner Rockwell Collins were awarded a contract to construct the helmet for all F-35 pilots.
In the spring of 2015, Vice President Joseph Biden, Jr. announced that “Next year we will deliver to Israel the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, our finest.” If the planes are delivered on schedule, Israel would be the first country outside of the United States to receive the F-35. All F-35s currently under contract are expected to be delivered to Israel by 2021.




posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Again, I mostly agree.



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