Cuba is Demanding Reparations from the U.S.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting

originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Do you have a point?

Hm, after this very unremarkable and silly post, I feel justified in asking -- how is your reading comprehension today? A little off, I see.

Do you have anything pertinent to add, or are you just interested in being a smartass?

My reading comprehenion is fine thank you.

In the interest of fairness, I read your OP again. Nope there is no point you made. You never said a thing about what you thought - you quoted a lot of material - but didn't make a single point for or against any of the material quoted. Nor contributed any original comment.

Perhaps a remedial writing course is in order. If you are just providing information - say so.

I cannot read your mind.

I think we've got bigger problems to solve first but it's good>details.
Soon there will be a higher price of Cohibas in EU because you'll smoke all of their tobacco with the stems and roots and all. Even now the price is high and it won't stay at 20 Eur for a one common Robusto. I can buy 20 breads for a one cigar.
I think these steps had to come earlier like in the 90'. It would be cool to have more Obamas in those times.

a reply to: FyreByrd


Oh my but aren't you so utterly full of yourself you have assigned yourself the task of presuming to critique my points, which are in fact abundant and I almost linked them for what indeed appears to be selective reading and inferior comprehension on your part, but decided not to as I find I am unable to give a feral porcine's derriere what you think on this fine rainy Friday morning. Do you get that point? I can make it clearer, but would rather not. T&C's ya know.

Do you have a comment about the subject matter? Because the subject matter is Cuba demanding reparations from the U.S. due to the damages they sustained from the decades old embargo. Not FireBirds overly inflated pompous ego presuming to have the ability and circumstance to troll a political thread and get her knickers in a knot while avoiding and contributing absolutely nothing to the subject matter.

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I've always had a great interest in Cuba for some reason and want the people to be happy and content with their circumstances. They have been isolated for such a long time due only to a politic, (which amounts to words and ideologies) , and at the beginning of these remarkable negotiations it appeared they have a chance for potentiation and development. A chance for a lasting relationship with the U.S. in which we could bring to them so many things, and they to us.

But now again due to what I consider unreasonable demands from the notorious Castro brothers, they may find themselves in checkmate.

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Firebird Let me help you out here in discerning subject matter:

1. Cuba is demanding hundreds of millions of dollars from the U.S. for reasons you will know if you read and comprehended the thread. If not, perhaps one of the other posters will be gracious enough to interpret the material for you.

2. Do you or do you not think we (I say 'we' because I am an American and U.S. resident) should pay them?

Your ability to address the subject matter at hand is yet to be determined, so let's see whatcha got!

With all due respect. ; )

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: FyreByrd


Oh my but aren't you so utterly full of yourself you have assigned yourself the task of presuming to critique my points, which are in fact abundant and I almost linked them for what indeed appears to be selective reading and inferior comprehension on your part, but decided not to as I find I am unable to give a feral porcine's derriere what you think on this fine rainy Friday morning. Do you get that point? I can make it clearer, but would rather not. T&C's ya know.

Do you have a comment about the subject matter? Because the subject matter is Cuba demanding reparations from the U.S. due to the damages they sustained from the decades old embargo. Not FireBirds overly inflated pompous ego presuming to have the ability and circumstance to troll a political thread and get her knickers in a knot while avoiding and contributing absolutely nothing to the subject matter.

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I've always had a great interest in Cuba for some reason and want the people to be happy and content with their circumstances. They have been isolated for such a long time due only to a politic, (which amounts to words and ideologies) , and at the beginning of these remarkable negotiations it appeared they have a chance for potentiation and development. A chance for a lasting relationship with the U.S. in which we could bring to them so many things, and they to us.

But now again due to what I consider unreasonable demands from the notorious Castro brothers, they may find themselves in checkmate.

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Firebird Let me help you out here in discerning subject matter:

1. Cuba is demanding hundreds of millions of dollars from the U.S. for reasons you will know if you read and comprehended the thread. If not, perhaps one of the other posters will be gracious enough to interpret the material for you.

2. Do you or do you not think we (I say 'we' because I am an American and U.S. resident) should pay them?

Your ability to address the subject matter at hand is yet to be determined, so let's see whatcha got!

With all due respect. ; )

Nope - still no point in your original post. So now that you've figured out what you wanted to say about the material, I'll briefly reply to your OP

Reparations are due to Cuba for the horrendous treatment by the US before and after the revolution.

And you and I should pay them because we are citizens of the US that perpetrated those abuses.

Simple enough for your feeble mind.

a reply to: FyreByrd

You should start a weekly payroll deduction. Have fun with that payment.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
Recent details from negotiations with Cuba indicate the path to friendship with the ostracized counrty is a rocky one. Among demands they are asking for the return of Gitmo, and that reparations be made to their citizens for financial damages sustained during the embargo.

Right, and that will be coming when they pay up for the damages made to Cubans in the revolution.

originally posted by: mbkennel

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
Recent details from negotiations with Cuba indicate the path to friendship with the ostracized counrty is a rocky one. Among demands they are asking for the return of Gitmo, and that reparations be made to their citizens for financial damages sustained during the embargo.

Right, and that will be coming when they pay up for the damages made to Cubans in the revolution.

Which Cubans are those - the mob connected ones, the wealthy industrialists, the wealthy plantation owners? Those Cubans?

originally posted by: intrptr

Yah, we spent two years trying to foment insurrection (Bay of Pigs fiasco) and assassinate Castro before giving up and cutting the island off from the world in general.
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And castro's communist regime has been doing the same not just in the U.S. but in other countries as well such as Angola.

There are more Cuban communists spies infiltrated in the U.S., than there have EVER been in Cuba...

originally posted by: intrptr
It was precisely that the Cubans took back their land from the US puppet regime in the first place that is the reason that the US has imposed sanctions ever since.

It wasn't the Cubans who took Cuba back, it was a small contingent of fighters who promised "a land of milk and honey for everybody", but like always communism turns into the worst dictatorships that exist.

BTW, castro took all firearms from the people, and Cubans can't own firearms. Criminals have stolen firearms from cops they have attacked in Cuba.

originally posted by: intrptr
You're right, the people want Guantanmao back, too. And self determination…

All the US wants is for Cuba to open millions of hungry mouths to Mc Donalds and Walmart.

Otherwise, Master Blaster runs Barter Town.

I find it incredibly ironic that people who have never experienced life as a Cuban want to claim they know what Cubans want...

If the Obama administration agrees to pay "for compensation" after that nobody should be able to say that Obama and his administration are not radical leftists bordering on being communists...

After all a great portion of Obama's supporters and workers are very socialist and/or communist...

Obama's headquarter in Houston.





www.outsidethebeltway.com...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

It wasn't the Cubans who took Cuba back, it was a small contingent of fighters who promised "a land of milk and honey for everybody", but like always communism turns into the worst dictatorships that exist.

Cuba is product of US oppression, just like North Korea. I'd mention Vietnam from that era as well, but US got its ass kicked there.

Interesting to note that people blame Cuba for being desperate or oppressive when its in fact the US still fighting the cold war. The US is imposing endless embargoes on Cuba, not the other way round.

originally posted by: intrptr

Cuba is product of US oppression, just like North Korea. I'd mention Vietnam from that era as well, but US got its ass kicked there.

Cuba is a product of Communism.... Just like Venezuela, just like North Korea, just like Vietnam...and btw, before the U.S. got in Vietnam the CHINESE communists went there murdered tens of thousands of Vietnamese civilians, and imprisoned just as many "forcing communism to everyone in Vietnam", and that was before the U.S. got involved...

Obviously, you either don't know, or ignore/dismiss the fact that Chinese communists and the communists that were part of the Vietcong had made lists of Vietnamese people they were going to murder before conflict with the U.S. started.

ONE example of such a massacre is known as the "Massacre at Huế/the Huế Massacre".

The Huế Massacre (Vietnamese: Thảm sát tại Huế Tết Mậu Thân, or Thảm sát Tết Mậu Thân ở Huế, lit. translation: "Tet Offensive Massacre in Huế") is the name given to the summary executions and mass killings perpetrated by the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese Army during their capture, occupation and later withdrawal from the city of Huế during the Tet Offensive, considered one of the longest and bloodiest battles of the Vietnam War.
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Executions during the course of the Communist occupation

The Viet Cong set up provisional authorities shortly after capturing Huế in the early hours of January 31, 1968. They were charged with removing the existing government administration from power within the city and replacing it with a "revolutionary administration." Working from lists of "cruel tyrants and reactionary elements" previously developed by VC intelligence officers, many people were to be rounded up following the initial hours of the attack. These included the Army of the Republic of Vietnam ARVN soldiers, civil servants, political party members, local religious leaders, schoolteachers, American civilians and other international people.(11) Cadres called out the names on their lists over loudspeakers, ordering them to report to a local school. Those not reporting voluntarily were hunted down.(12)
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en.wikipedia.org...

There were also later reprisals from survivors, or relatives and friends of those murdered who later went after people who had been friendly/sympathizers of the communists.

The fact is, most "communist revolutions" start with "revolutionaries" making black lists of people they want to either murder, or imprisoned. These lists normally included not only people in government, but capitalists, religious people and religious leaders, teachers, taxi drivers, and regular people who had been, or could be dissidents because they would not accept Communism.

The Vietnam war would not had happened if China hadn't been involved.

Something similar happened in Cuba, in Russia, in North Korea, etc, etc, in which black lists were made to take out, or imprison people who could become leaders and were, or could be against communism.

Unfortunately when these atrocities happen many survivors later want to take revenge and also make man hunts to go after those who helped communists or were communists.

originally posted by: intrptr
Interesting to note that people blame Cuba for being desperate or oppressive when its in fact the US still fighting the cold war. The US is imposing endless embargoes on Cuba, not the other way round.

Cuba has done, and is still doing business with OTHER COUNTRIES... In case people like you don't know, the United States ISN'T THE WORLD...

The embargo on Cuba was not on food and other necessities. The majority of products that come from Cuba, including most food, is sent or sold by the communist regime to other countries to "spread the revolution"...

Meanwhile the communist regime forces many Cuban doctors, among others, to work in other countries that are or could become communist, in Cuba there is a lack of doctors for REGULAR CUBANS...

You have no idea how bad things are,and have been in Cuba. Water access in Cuba is RATIONED just like food and other basic needs. You only get water every other day.

Most regular Cubans have to warm water in stoves and then have to use buckets to take a shower.

You can't drink water from the faucet in Cuba. You can only drink bottled water, or boiled down water. Most Cubans can only afford to boil down water, and when you boil down water it lacks the minerals that are necessary for the human body.

Again, i gave Venezuela as an example of the true cause of suffering in Cuba because in Venezuela, as communism was introduced, first by introducing socialism, rationing was implemented just like in Cuba. Now people in Venezuela are poorer, and worst off than before and people have to fight other people in supermarkets for the last food items.

If you knew Spanish you could find dozens and dozens of videos showing Venezuelans fighting in Supermarket for the last food items and other necessities.

www.youtube.com...

That's meanwhile it was found that tons and tons of food were rotting in GOVERNMENT WAREHOUSES meanwhile Venezuelans were having a hard time finding food.

Revolutionary Rot, But News It's Not: AP Ignores Venezuela's 'Battle for Food'
By Tom Blumer | June 22, 2010 | 12:15 PM EDT

Late last year, a story carried by the wire service AFP reported on an announcement by Venezuela's
Hugo Chavez that his government would launch "a new chain of government-run, cut-rate retail stores that will sell everything from food to cars to clothing." Chavez reportedly said that these "discount socialist stores" would show people "what a real market is all about, not those speculative, money-grubbing markets, but a market for the people."
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Hugo Chavez Spearheads Raids as Food Prices Skyrocket

Mountains of rotting food found at a government warehouse, soaring prices and soldiers raiding wholesalers accused of hoarding: Food supply is the latest battle in President Hugo Chavez's socialist revolution.

Venezuelan army soldiers swept through the working class, pro-Chavez neighborhood of Catia in Caracas last week, seizing 120 tons of rice along with coffee and powdered milk that officials said was to be sold above regulated prices.

"The battle for food is a matter of national security," said a red-shirted official from the Food Ministry, resting his arm on a pallet laden with bags of coffee.

It is also the latest issue to divide the Latin American country where Chavez has nationalized a wide swathe of the economy, he says to reverse years of exploitation of the poor.

This initiative was on top of Chavez's creation of Mercal (link is to the Venezuelan home page, complete with "The Bolivarian Government of Venezuela" logo), a state-run network of grocery stores, seven years ago.
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newsbusters.org...

Communists always try to use the rich vs poor card in their favor so people would think all poor people will be better off. But in the end they make everyone poor, except the communist elites... the same old story...

It is WORSE in Cuba, and it's not because of the embargo... The problems of Cuba are because of COMMUNISM.

BTW, I am aware that there were also massacres done by U.S. soldiers in Vietnam. But I always find very telling how "socialists/communists" worldwide try to blame it all on the U.S., when it all started with COMMUNISTS taking over a country, murdering or imprisoning tens of thousands of people, and in some cases such as in Russia and China, millions of people were murdered and millions were imprisoned...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Hands down the most informative post in the thread.


What troubles me about our paying reparations to Cuba -- in a way that will allegedly benefit it's citizens-- would never happen. My concern is that the Cuban people would never see or experience a cent of the monies paid, but instead would be taken by the Castro brothers to increase their personal interests, whatever that might entail.

If you don't mind my asking - and of course you always have the right to decline comment - but is there a personal link to Cuba? Relatives, or perhaps yourself have lived there or still do?

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

The regular Cubans will never see a cent from whatever money the U.S. pays the Cuban government. That money will be used to strengthen the regime which will be able to repress even more the Cubans still living in the island.

What the communist regime will continue doing is implementing things that would make it "look like" to the international community that there are good changes happening in Cuba. This is propaganda for people to think "communism is great".

As an example, in another thread some members were saying how good things were occurring in Cuba, such as Cubans being allowed now to rent hotels... But the thing is, the cheapest hotels in Cuba cost $30 USD a night, which is a lot more than Cubans get paid a month, so no regular Cuban will actually be able to rent a hotel room because they are more worried about finding food and using the meager earnings they get to survive.

The only Cubans that would be able to afford renting a hotel room are communist elites and their rich kids.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
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If you don't mind my asking - and of course you always have the right to decline comment - but is there a personal link to Cuba? Relatives, or perhaps yourself have lived there or still do?

I was born in Cuba and lived part of my life there. i witnessed how my sisters were taken by the state every summer to summer labor camps even though my sister always begged my parents not to let the state take them to the summer camps. On Sundays for a couple of hours or so we were allowed to visit them at the camps. I remember it all too well.

My sisters are older than me, and every time they came back home they were thinner, and riddled with lice and sickly in general. You wouldn't want your pets, much less your children to be in the summer labor camps in Cuba.

Many of my family members are still there. Including a grandmother, my two sisters and their children/my cousins. Other cousins as well as aunts, and uncles.

I have visited Cuba, btw if you were born in Cuba and even if you have some other nationality you are considered a Cuban in the island and treated as any other Cuban. Just in case you get any ideas of talking in public about freedom or against the regime.

My father just came back from visiting my sisters and other family in Cuba. He came back with dengue. There is a dengue epidemic as well as a chikungunya epidemic in Cuba right now as well as other health problems because there is bad hygiene and there is a lack of doctors and medicine in general.

Most tourists in general don't get to see the real Cuba, because there are sections of Cuba that are reserved for tourists and are well maintained mainly for tourists.

Many of these problems also occur because there is a lack of nutritious food, as well as hygene problems.

In Cuba you still will find mounts of garbage in the corners of streets because the regime is not spending the money they get from their businesses with other countries on Cuba, they spend it on "spreading communism to other countries."

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Well, that didn't take long.
I'm sure the Castros and Obama are of like minds on reparations and how evil the U.S. is...so their check is probably already in the mail.

This. Every other single nation in the world could trade with Cuba and the Soviets poured in billions of aid during the Cold War. Cuba's financial woes lay at the feet of the Castro regime and their Marxist ideals.

originally posted by: CranialSponge
We Canadians have had a blast hanging out in Cuba all these decades while the US government continued to sit in the corner and pout over sour grapes.

No more oober cheap tropical holidays and Cuban cigars for us Canadians...

*sigh*

Bring back the embargo dammit !

I guess you guys didn't spend enough money down there then. Perhaps they are owed reparations from cheep Canadians--you guys aren't the best tippers.

a reply to: IanFleming

I also blame the lack on information that the international community gets in regards to Cuba.

For example, if you were to search "youtube" in English about how large sections of Cubans are resorting to selling garbage, directly from garbage piles and containers, you won't find ANYTHING in English. But if you were to search in Spanish, you would find many, many videos showing things like that about Cuba.

Likewise, if you are to search for videos of the hospitals in Cuba in English, most of what you find are recordings of hospitals that are reserved for tourists, and for the communist elites and their families. in those hospitals the majority of hospital personnel speak English for a reason, and it's not because most Cubans speak English. In Spanish however, you get to see what the majority of Cuban hospitals are really like.

It's almost the same for everything else about Cuba. There is very little information in English that shows the real Cuba.

One more thing i wanted to add. The worst part of the information you can find about Cuba in sites like "youtube" is the propaganda that is in favor of the communist regime, and either knowingly, or unknowingly leave out the true facts about Cuba. As examples of pro-castro propaganda is the Oliver Stone film, the Michael Moore film, and the BBC film. All which make claims that are simply not true about Cuba and hide the truth about Cuba either knowingly or unknowingly and present what the communist regime wants the world to believe instead of the facts about Cuba.

originally posted by: IanFleming

I guess you guys didn't spend enough money down there then. Perhaps they are owed reparations from cheep Canadians--you guys aren't the best tippers.

No wonder the Cubans are begging for American tourists !!!